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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:06 PM
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Imagine if such a document had come within a few hours of the Cheney-Energy meeting-I dare you-Try!
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 04:10 PM by kpete
Bush? Never!

Try to imagine the Bush-Cheney administration issuing an immediate follow-up of this kind. Imagine if such a document had come within a few hours of the Cheney-Energy meeting. Go ahead. I dare you. Try!

READ IT HERE:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/fact-sheet-claims-and-escrow
via:
http://prairieweather.typepad.com/big_blue_stem/2010/06/bush-never.html
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:08 PM
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1. GREAT WORK! and thanks for posting!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:08 PM
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2. k n r
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:10 PM
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3. Pretty impressive - they were right on it. And the woman who was at the presser
w/Gibbs also did a great job in laying down the info and clarifying anything that was questionable.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:11 PM
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4. Damn. Wow. That was fast.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:13 PM
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5. Um the crisis is two months old
You really think they did all this in 12-24 hours?



TG
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:16 PM
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6. Did you READ IT???????
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:27 PM
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7. Yes, as a matter of fact I did. THREE HOURS AGO n/t
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:32 PM
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9. Doesn't compute.... your comment and a mtg that took place this morning.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:37 PM
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10. Sorry. Only TWO AND A HALF HOURS AGO
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 04:39 PM by Tansy_Gold
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x342788

ProSense posted it at 12:08 my time in Arizona.

I READ IT THEN.



TG

edited to add: If you're going to call me a liar, please do it honestly.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:01 PM
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12. Never mind.
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 05:01 PM by lamp_shade
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:41 PM
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11. That's not the point though, is it?
JIK you missed the point I'll bring you back on topic...the linked document was released within hours of the formal arrangement being solidified.

Which is a rather pleasant change after the previous administration. Hell, we're all still trying to find out what the hell Cheney's Energy Task Force was up to.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:10 PM
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13. I think it is the point
The cheney task force (there is a temptation to say the cheney administration) was not under the microscope on their policy making to the extent the Obama administration is, for one thing. In a way, B/C was setting precedent. yes, there had been the Enron collapse and so on, but there was no crisis. And there was no real reason for them to issue a public document addressing the non-crisis. (Enron had collapsed, but the economy was not in free-fall the way it would be seven or eight years later.)

With the Obama/BP policy, there's a very public crisis underway and it's been underway for almost two months and there's no real end in sight. (Very different from 9/11, which was over and done with and left behind a persistent FEAR of a repeat, but there was no ongoing operative threat. The Maconda well is still spewing.) There's been very little public action on the Gulf crisis, but there has been a lot of public criticism about INACTION. Certainly, a great deal of that criticism has come from the right, who will criticize virtually anything Obama does or doesn't do. And much of that criticism is the loony version that comes from people like Jindal and Barbour who want smaller government but big handouts to themselves and their constituents while denying there's even a crisis. You can't deal with people like that on a rational basis and it's a waste of energy even to try.

But there has also been criticism from the left and much of it directed toward Obama's lack of policy-making leadership. It's been suggested, by myself and by others, that the past two months (more or less) presented an opportunity for Obama to launch an alternative-energy Apollo mission. We've been waiting for leadership in that direction and we've been more than a little disappointed.

I wasn't able to watch or listen to the speech last night, so I posed some questions about what was in it. These were honest questions, because for all my own personal criticism of some of Obama's policies, I still consider him to be a far far far better choice (apologies, Mr. Carton) than McCain/Stupid. I mean, that's not even open to debate.

And I have suggested in the past that putting BP profits into escrow would be one way of making sure there's compensation for the victims AND keeping BP as an operating corporation alive rather than a bankrupt welcher like Thomas Kinkade.

The linked document was posted at 12:08 Arizona time today by ProSense, a DUer with whom I have had my share of disagreements. After reading the post, after reading through the document, after checking out the link, I posted my response at I believe 12:27 Arizona time.

TWO HOURS LATER the same information was posted (with multiple other postings in between) in this thread, and the response seemed to be that wow, look at that, Obama gives a speech on Tuesday night, meets with BP on Wednesday morning, and BANG! the agreement is handed out to the press within minutes, as if that's all it took and Obama was somehow a miracle worker for having done it so quickly.

Now, remember that this high fiving, so to speak, is coming from a lot of the same people who have been offering excuses for his previous, ahem, failures, and blaming all his shortcomings on congress and boooosh and everyone under the sun but Barack Obama himself. All of a sudden Obama is the miracle worker these people insisted he wasn't!!! Wow! Presto changeo!

My point, therefore, is that this was probably NOT some magically produced document whipped out in a morning meeting -- much more likely, given Obama's much more deliberative nature, it's been worked out over days or weeks or months. If there haven't been meetings directly between Obama and Svanberg/Hayward/et al then there have undoubtedly been meetings between lower level officials such as Salazar. Feinberg had to be brought on board somewhere along the way, and I'm sure that wasn't accomplished with a quick spur of the moment phone call in the middle of the meeting. Obama didn't put this in front of Tony Hayward and say "Sign, or else." Somewhere along the lines there have been negotiations.

If YOUR point is merely that wow, Obama is actually putting information out there for the public in contrast to bush/cheney's secrecy, okay, fine. But if it's that Obama worked a miracle by putting this all together since last night, um, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that assumption.


Tansy Gold
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:31 PM
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8. Louisana should file a $20B claim right now!!!
Hard to imagine the ecological damage is less than that. The long-term harm to the fishing and tourist industries must be more than that. Oh yeah, the health problems from the air pollution, don't forget that. And then there's the families of the 11 who were killed, and the injured, and, and, and, and. Then multiply by Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, etc.

Sorry, but $20B is chump change compared to the cost of this disaster.
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