The TV talkers tell me the speech sucked.

[Robb]

Time was, that was all we needed to know to know something was good, was that the MSM hated it.

Ah, well. Let us be led. It's the New Marx for DU: "From each according to his biases, and to each his self-fulfilling prophesies." :D

[Scurrilous]

1. Dingbat!

:P

[ShamelessHussy]

2. yeah, it's all in our heads

[boston bean]

3. Really? I was suppose to like everything Olbermann said sucked? nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. I thought it was just so so

He's certainly given better speeches.

[Robb]

6. I haven't seen it yet.

Silly me thought heck, why don't I check DU? Someone there can tell me how it went. :rofl:

[elocs]

23. Well, if it was great you could always find it to watch it.

If it wasn't then you spared yourself the disappointment.

[inna]

37. Why don't you just read it and form your own opinion? Here's the transcript:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/15/obamas-gulf-spill-speech_n_613554.html

[saracat]

5. I am really tired of the constant media bashing. I guess now we hate KO and Rachel too?

[Robb]

7. Lighten up, Francis.

We don't "hate" anybody. We're just used to not trusting the media, except when they tell us what we want to hear. :hi:

[saracat]

9. So you admit that " when they tell you what you want to hear" you like them?

See I only want to hear the news. I don't want to be told anything that agrees or disagrees with me. But each to his own.:hi:

[WeDidIt]

10. Just saw the lede in to Rachel from Keith

Turned the channel.

Rachel won't be back on my television the rest of the week.

I'm done with Kieth for the rest of the month.

We'll see what July brings.

[saracat]

18. Pretty petty aren't you? People must always agree with you? Rachel is a very fair journalist.

[CBR]

17. The media deserves every bashing it gets. It is

complete garbage and everyone knows it. 70% of the coverage is horserace crap -- the majority of the rest spent on crime, natural disasters. Not to mention the topics they do not cover due to ownership, institutional bias and plain laziness. Rachel Maddow does a large amount of good analysis. She is almost alone on the main networks.

[saracat]

20. And yet she is being bashed by some today for daring to express her opinion that doesn't agree with

theirs.Go figure.

[emulatorloo]

29. Um, I've got my own mind. I don't hate anybody.

[treestar]

32. tired of media bashing?

:rofl:

You trust them?

Yeah, I don't give a shit what Keith or Rachel think either.

all of the pundits, left and right, are losers. What have those two ever done to solve anything? They just runs their mouths. No different than Tweety or Beck or Limpballs.

[saracat]

36. Funny. Some worship those two when they sat what they want them to.

[laughingliberal]

40. True, dat! I have had posters hold Rachel up as a font of wisdom at times when I disagreed with her

In fact, by some of the same who are steaming at her now. I find it's best if I know what I believe and form my own opinions with the information I can gather. While it is nice to see my opinion supported and validated by others, at times, it is not necessary.

[liquid diamond]

38. I gotta agree with this.

It's easy to sit pat and talk shit (like most posters here). The real challenge is proposing solutions which none of these assholes are good at. That goes for the right and left.

[EFerrari]

8. I don't know why you guys listen to those talking heads.

They're idiots with airtime.

[Imajika]

14. Exactly correct...

Instead of using all this airtime for actual journalism, we get media personalities who are busy making themselves the story instead of seriously reporting the news.

[treestar]

33. And no more informed than we are, maybe less so

NO pundit has ever done a single thing to solve any problem.

[EFerrari]

39. The media is important but these talking heads do very little

to inform anyone. They do what will keep them close to power. They're presstitutes.

[Imajika]

11. The speech was fine...

Not one of his very best, but not bad at all.

The talking heads are idiots. They are just trying to fill airtime to keep you watching.

Clinton gave a SOTU back in the 90's that was universally panned by virtually all the media, when the polls came in it turned out to have been one of the most effective SOTU's in modern history.

Nothing wrong with the speech at all. Obama can't please everyone with each speech, and it would have been silly to try.

[provis99]

12. the TV talking heads were right.

[malaise]

13. You know why

For two days they have been writing his speech and he did not deliver their version. Man they are sick fucks.

In the good old days the hacks would wait for the speech and then attack it - now they spend days saying what should be said in the speech and if it doesn't match their version, they start by saying it fell short (of their speech).

This is beyond an inversion of reality.

[Imajika]

16. This is a great point...

"For two days they have been writing his speech and he did not deliver their version."

I believe this is probably true. Great point.

[Patsy Stone]

24. Actually, what I remember is this

but it dovetails nicely with your theory. In fact, I heard some examples of this on Morning Schmoe just today.

They used to build up every campaign speech or address of his with a bunch of things he absolutely HAD to do for this to be any sort of a success at all. Pat Buchanan was the worst, but now Chuck Todd's taken up the baton. "He must connect to the white voters in West Virginia!" "He must completely denounce Reverend Wright!" "He must show he has the liberal bleeding heart of Jesus!" Whatever it was. Then the speech would be done, and all the naysayers were silent because he had approached the thing from a completely different angle, and set a much broader vision, and they were blown away.

This morning, Joe and let's make it someone from that POS Politico, decided this had to be his "Moon Shot" speech. Oy vey.

Overall, I thought it was a good speech, but a little rambling in the later parts. I think the future of energy independence section could have been tightened up a bit.

[malaise]

26. I don't even know why he delivered the speech tonight

He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't - the hacks have already decided this is his Katrina and it's partly his fault. If he had shut up about off shore drilling he would have been in a commanding position.

I just wish he'd left all that god business out of the end. Otherwise there was nothing new or original.

[emulatorloo]

30. Tweety's "Command and Control" is the new "Obama must show Anger"

It really is getting tiresome.

I like the sec on energy independence too, seem most on DU are acting as if he never gave that part.

[emulatorloo]

28. Yep you nailed it. THNKS! n/t

[treestar]

35. Yep and they sit there and judge

and don't have to lift a finger to really do anything to deal with any problem.

they don't have to deal with Congress; they don't have to deal with anything; just sit there and run their stinking mouths.

[branders seine]

15. I watched the NBC feed of the video of the speech live--no talking heads.

then I read the transcript. I haven't seen or heard a single talking head.

The speech sucked. Hard.

[LooseWilly]

25. I wouldn't say "Hard"...

It just seemed... bland. And what was up with all the Jeesus-Sprinkles at the end?...

Now I'm curious to see what the pundits had to say.

[moondust]

19. They were going to tell you that no matter what he said.

More of the same. It won't end until the hole is plugged and then it will be something else.

[JonLP24]

21. I don't know

The talking heads at MSNBC are generally favorable with what he has to say after the speech. If you can find it, look for post analysis of the one at the Democratic Convention and the one after the SOTU.

[moondust]

27. You are correct.

I was thinking more in terms of the other media. I was surprised by the MSNBC talkers. Like the others, they seem to be impatient to hear specific plans even though the contingency planning for something of this scope should have been going on over the past 30 years rather than the past 30+ days. Obama says he has had a panel of experts advising him from the beginning and I have no reason to doubt that.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. As CYA and pass-the-buck it was masterful.

[readmoreoften]

31. It's the same TV talkers who told you how great he was and still tell you he's a "liberal"

or even "too liberal." Either trust them or don't.

[KonaKane]

34. Thank god we have the talkers. Otherwise we wouldn't know what to think.

Gobble.