What in the devil is Carville talking about??

[Bitwit1234]

He says in an article on CNN home page that the federal government has abused Louisiana long enough and it is time they helped. So he is blaming Obama and the Democrats for the slow response of BP. I think he should be kicked out of the Democratic Party he has been around that witch of a wife of his too damn long. Check it out...www.cnn.com

[RKP5637]

1. "witch of a wife" Is that ever true. n/t

[KonaKane]

3. Mary defames the word "witch".

I'd prefer "shrike".

[RKP5637]

5. Quite true!!! In fact, VERY true!!! n/t

[GoCubsGo]

6. That insults shrikes.

They are lovely birds. "Harpy" is more apt.

[hedgehog]

11. Hey! What do you have against harpies!

[cliffordu]

20. Shrike....

BWAHAHAHAHAH HHAH AHHA

Perfect.

[mod mom]

2. He's still pissed he wasn't the heir to power he thought he would be.

He sold out Kerry & the Democratic Party in '04, thinking Hillary Clinton was the anointed (and this he would be also):

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[Jennicut]

4. LA (many of the public and the politicians) are heavily

intertwined with big oil. They blame the govt. but have loved the oil "jobs" they have gotten for years. The abusive relationship is with big oil.

[DonCoquixote]

7. Ok, to be fair

Yes, the Obama response has been bad, though not horrible. To compare this to Katrina is a joke, as the GOP actively used that to gain power. However, Carville, many of the people responsible are the same damn BLUE DOGS that you supported throughout the years. If I hear you slam Jindal and Landreiu as hard, I might believe you, but to blame Obama for BP is a joke.

[opihimoimoi]

8. kick him in the nuts...his brain has been washed by mary

[hedgehog]

12. You know, I've been pretty good about not saying anything to get me in trouble here,

but the urge to give a succinct, humorous and scatological reply to your comment is almost overwhelming.;-)

[opihimoimoi]

17. Splurge the URGE....Lessen the pressure LOL

[Oregone]

9. Kick him out? Obama has endorsed and campaigned for "worse" Democrats

Come on now.

[HughMoran]

10. Cut the crap

[Oregone]

18. True. Blanche and Arlene are the epitome of liberals

[HughMoran]

22. Oh, peanut gallery

go jump in the lake :P

[Oregone]

24. Quite the refutation

Oh, now I see the errors of my way. :)

[HughMoran]

25. Took you down like a pro

:headbang:

[Sebastian Doyle]

15. Correction

You put the quotation marks around the wrong word.

[flyarm]

13. maybe you better read this and know what we on the Gulf know..

Read more: http://www.adn.com/2010/06/09/1315823/bp-c-plan.html

"Lutz is listed as a go-to wildlife specialist at the University of Miami. But Lutz, an eminent sea turtle expert, left Miami almost 20 years ago to chair the marine biology department at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton. He died four years before the plan was published.".


BP's Gulf spill plan outdated, error-filled

By JUSTIN PRITCHARD, TAMARA LUSH and HOLBROOK MOHR
The Associated Press

Published: June 9th, 2010 10:32 PM
Last Modified: June 12th, 2010 11:38 AM

VENICE, La. - Professor Peter Lutz is listed in BP's 2009 response plan for a Gulf of Mexico oil spill as a national wildlife expert.
He died in 2005..





Under the heading "sensitive biological resources," the plan lists marine mammals including walruses, sea otters, sea lions and seals. None lives anywhere near the Gulf.

The names and phone numbers of several Texas A&M University marine life specialists are wrong. So are the numbers for marine mammal stranding network offices in Louisiana and Florida, which are no longer in service.

BP PLC's 582-page regional spill plan for the Gulf, and its 52-page, site-specific plan for the Deepwater Horizon rig are riddled with omissions and glaring errors, according to an Associated Press analysis that details how BP officials have been making it up as they go along. The lengthy plans approved by the federal government last year before BP drilled its ill-fated well vastly understate the dangers posed by an uncontrolled leak and vastly overstate the company's preparedness to deal with one.

"Look, it's obvious to everybody in south Louisiana that they didn't have a plan, they didn't have an adequate plan to deal with this spill," said Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal. "They didn't anticipate the (blowout preventer) failure. They didn't anticipate this much oil hitting our coast. From the very first days, they kept telling us, ‘Don't worry, the oil's not going to make it to your coast.' "

In the spill scenarios detailed in the BP's exploration plan, fish, marine mammals and birds escape serious harm; beaches remain pristine; water quality is only a temporary problem. And those are the projections for a leak about 10 times worse than what has been calculated for the ongoing disaster.

There are other wildly false assumptions in the documents. BP's proposed method to calculate spill volume judging by the darkness of the oil sheen is way off. The internationally accepted formula would produce estimates 100 times higher.

The Gulf's loop current, which is projected to help eventually send oil hundreds of miles around Florida's southern tip and up the Atlantic coast, isn't mentioned in either plan.


The website listed for Marine Spill Response Corp. - one of two firms that BP relies on for equipment to clean a spill - links to a defunct Japanese-language page.

[hedgehog]

19. Can you point me to the articles in the Louisiana press

complaining about the lack of oversight on the oil rigs that were published before this disaster?

[pinto]

27. flyarm, please limit re-posting of copyrighted articles to 4 paragraphs.

You have some editing time, please edit to the copyright standard. Thanks.

[flyarm]

41. ok sorry!! but too late to edit..thanks..eom

[Enrique]

14. here's the article

he mentions Obama once and doesn't mention the Democratic party at all, and actually focusses on the neglect that Louisiana has been suffering for decades. Far from blaming everything on Obama.

I'm no fan of Carville, but this article is pretty good. (and again, it's NOT about Obama, so don't be afraid to read it).

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/06/13/carville.louisiana.justice/index.html?iref=allsearch

[ProSense]

26. Here's where Carville loses credibility

Add that to the fact that we have not seen a single penny of royalties for oil produced more than six miles off our coast. We assume all of the risk, produce seafood and oil and gas, with none of the reward. Royalties totaling $165 billion have gone to the federal treasury when they could go to help repair this pressing issue.

Then the oil companies dredged canals in the marshlands in an attempt to grow an industry which now provides the country with more than 30 percent of its domestic oil and natural gas. Saltwater intrusion is killing the marsh. These marshlands provide jobs for tens of thousands of fisherman in an industry that provides over 30 percent of this country's domestic seafood supply.

<...>

This is a struggle for the preservation of our culture, way of life, and the land we love.

He's more interested in the royalities as he continues to call for an end to the moratorium.

[Poboy]

30. How does that make him lose credibility?

What he is saying is that other oil drilling states get 50% of revenues. La. gets 10%. Is it any wonder then that we cannot do this ourselves?
What he is arguing for is to give us what every other oil state has, so that since the federal government can't/won't do what needs to be done now, give us what we deserve, in fairness, and allow us to combat this ourselves.

If asking/demanding something that every other oil producing state has makes him lose 'credibility', so be it.

[ProSense]

31. Calling for an end to the moratorium?

Credibility lost.

Also, Louisiana doesn't own federal waters.

[Poboy]

33. Wait a minute, you cannot argue what you inititially said, so you switch?

You said he lost credibility over arguing for Louisiana's royalties. I asked how that made him lose credibility, and now you bring up another issue entirely?
Okay.

[ProSense]

35. "He's more interested in the royalities as he continues to call for an end to the moratorium. "

That's from my previous comment. See, the moratorium isn't "another issue entirely."

[saracat]

36. The problem with manipulating article intent seems to be chronic.

[ProSense]

34. Another reason the whole revenue argument is bogus

In addition to not owning the federal waters and as those calling for an end to the moratorium keep emphasizing, drilling contributes significantly to the state's economy. In other words, Louisiana is benefitting significantly from the very thing that Carville supports while claiming that it is destroying their way of life.

[Poboy]

37. Very well then,

Deny Louisiana their fair share of oil revenues, and just let us depend on the kindness of the government to handle this.
Its working out great so far. Sure, just give La. their measly 10%, and let the other states get 50%, and call any complains about it illegitimate.

[RB TexLa]

43. And when we ask to be able to tax like the other states we are told we are

trying to steal from the US Treasury.

[saracat]

39. It is a good article. Sad that because they don't like Carville some will misinterpret and trash it...

I wasn't a huge Carville fan. I actually personally got into him with it about Hillary and the primary. He actually signed a book to me "to blank, with whom I disagree but who is a great Democrat and who I would want at my back in a fight!" Unlike some,James can agree to disagree.

James has raised money for Obama and campaigned for him. He has done more for Obama than his detractors. He still does. Louisiana is his home and he has the right to speak.

[Poboy]

40. Carville speaks for us, and so does Garland...

Right there with you. I voted for and supported Obama.
Carville is saying what many here feel. That Since the government can't be bothered, let us handle it, and give us only what every other oil producing state has.


Here is a video link to a local talk show host. He addresses this issue very passionately, and goes through the details and macro situation-
Garland Robinette: 14 Scary Truths about BP Oil Leak
WWLFirstNews — May 21, 2010 — WWL's Garland Robinette outlines 14 scary truths about the BP Gulf Oil leak and issued a stern warning to Americans that their security is at risk as oil washes into fragile ecosystems all over South Louisiana and the leak develops into a full blown ecological calamity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXIo8fGkNJo&feature=player_embedded


I only ask that everyone who is complaining about Carville watch.

[hedgehog]

16. Someone ought to tell James that this isn't just Louisiana's

problem; the Gulf and its marshes belong to all of us, just like the Redwoods and Grand Canyon!

[Mojorabbit]

23. I am in Florida

Damn straight it is not just Louisiana's problem.

[hedgehog]

42. Hmmm.... if (when) the oil washes up on Florida's beaches,

does that mean Florida gets some of the royalties from off-shore drilling?

[The Backlash Cometh]

21. And take that witch of a wife with you!

LOL!

[bobburgster]

28. I think he's sleeping with the republicans!

....in more ways then one ;)

[JamesA1102]

29. Carville is a Hillary supporter who never got over her loss

Many who supported Hillary are hoping Obama gets so damaged that Hillary can run in 2012. But what they don't realize is that if the President goes down, the whole party will go with him.

[saracat]

32. Yawn. Same old canard. Primary, Blah blah Blah. Give it a rest

We are allowed to vote for any of several candidates in primaries.

[JamesA1102]

44. When did I say anyone was not

allowed to vote for any of several candidates in primaries?

[saracat]

45. You didn't but you did say Carville was a"Hillary supporter who never got over her loss" and

said that there were Hillary supporters that want to "damage" Obama. This is just Primary BS and is meant to create bad feeling. If you don't like what Carville states, fine, but it has nothing to do with his primary support or that of the Clinton supporters.

It is really time to move on and it doesn't matter who supported whom. We can judge comment on its own merit. It doesn't matter to me at all who someone supported, or who they are married to.They have the right to speak and be judged on the merit of the content alone.

[SoCalDem]

38. He sold his Pepto-Palace in the DC area, and is now ensconced in LA again

so for him, it's personal, but he's barking up the wrong tree.. All that "pal-ling around" with those "republican friends" of his during the Clinton admin & the Bush admin has born fruit..oily fruit, right in his own backyard..