Here's three of the reasons why Nazism continues to haunt our political discourse

[Ardent15]

[ProgressiveVictory]

1. I talked to my friends in Germany about this post and they are appalled anyone would say this

no matter how much you might dislike any politician here.

[Ardent15]

2. You are aware of Prescott Bush's many Nazi connections...

..and Prescott and George Sr's connections to the eugenics movement, right?

[Ian David]

3. You are obviously ignorant about the history of The Bush Family. Also...

... I doubt that in the 19 minutes between when this was posted and you replied, that you got on the phone to Germany and said, "Hey, guess what I just read on Democratic Underground!"

[azurnoir]

4. So just what are your claims concerning the Bush family? n/t

[Hissyspit]

8. Prescott Bush was indicted for consorting with the enemy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x581610

[mod mom]

27. and UK Guardian: "How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power"

Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
The Guardian, Saturday 25 September 2004 23.59 BST

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

-snip

Three sets of archives spell out Prescott Bush's involvement. All three are readily available, thanks to the efficient US archive system and a helpful and dedicated staff at both the Library of Congress in Washington and the National Archives at the University of Maryland.

The first set of files, the Harriman papers in the Library of Congress, show that Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of a number of companies involved with Thyssen.

The second set of papers, which are in the National Archives, are contained in vesting order number 248 which records the seizure of the company assets. What these files show is that on October 20 1942 the alien property custodian seized the assets of the UBC, of which Prescott Bush was a director. Having gone through the books of the bank, further seizures were made against two affiliates, the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. By November, the Silesian-American Company, another of Prescott Bush's ventures, had also been seized.

-snip
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

[mix]

35. This is fascinating and needs to be brought to light more...

but the Bush family's investments and financial support for the Nazi regime were sadly typical of most European oligarchies, and a few Americans, who sided with the fascists against the communists.

Luckily the American establishment and political classes of the 1940s allied with Stalin's Russia against fascism and Prescott Bush and his ilk did not prevail.

[mod mom]

44. Not only did they support the fascists but tried to lead this country in that direction:

The Whitehouse Coup
Monday 23 July 2007



The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

Mike Thomson investigates why so little is known about this biggest ever peacetime threat to American democracy.




http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

HAD PRESCOTT ET AL BEEN PROSECUTED, WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THIS MESS THAT WE ARE TODAY!

[ProgressiveVictory]

5. you are correct, I am currently talking with him on skype. so i asked him within minutes :)

[Mojeoux]

6. So what?

The Bushes fucked us up.
You can't deny that.

Remember Barbra Bushes comment on the black people from Katrina.

She basically said, how awful that they might like Texas so much they won't leave.

If these a-holes hadn't help squash the wind, solar and alternative energy research started by President Carter, the world might not need the oil in the Gulf.

Anyone with ties to any oil industry should be kicked out of government!

[ProgressiveVictory]

7. I agree 110%. I just hate the would "Nazi" being thrown around.

and I mean HATE.

[jgraz]

34. Why? It's not like the Nazis were unique in history

Hell, they weren't even unique in the 20th century. If it goose-steps like a duck...

[Lars39]

40. You are aware that there were American Nazis before the war, right?

They were interned during the war, had plenty of time to plan and then were released after the war was over.

[The_Commonist]

11. Here... read this:

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography

http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/

[SpiralHawk]

18. Skulls & Boners stick together, like Plutocrat Fascists (R) of a Feather

Republicon Occultism & Republicon Plutocrat Fascism is worthy of no defense, no matter how lame. "I called my friend...." WTF? Bwaa ha ha ha ha.

[mdmc]

31. The Nazis were not only in Germany my friend..

[Vickers]

38. Where in Germany? I've lived over there for about 1/4 of my life

and I'd really like to know!

[William Z. Foster]

39. I strongly doubt that

Of course we cannot know about your "friends in Germany," can we?

Let's say that you do have friends ion Germany, did show them this post, and they did respond the way that you claim they did. So what? It means nothing.

"Here is a post about Nazis. I know! I will show it to my friends in Germany and see what they say!"

Uh huh. Sure.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

42. I have friends in Germany and they think the Bushes were Nazis!

Oh well!

[mrmpa]

41. Prescott Bush's bank loaned money to Germany

in the 1930's, 1940 & 1941. When the US entered the War the Federal Government shut the bank down. This isn't rumor or innuendo. I learned this through research for thesis for my BA in History. My thesis was not on this involvement or the Bush Family, but while researching my topic I discovered the NY Times articles from 1942.

[mix]

9. Nazis?

Or simply products of American history?

[Make7]

10. How does that explain this?

 

 

[mix]

12. Or how does this post explain Dubya's support for Israel?

Our public schools need to do a better job teaching about Nazism and fascism.

That sign in your post is a symptom of a very sick political culture in which lies and untruths have power over millions. Unbelievable that no-one really challenges these historical distortions and deceptions.

[Ian David]

13. His "Support" for Israel is the same as Col. Sanders' support for chickens.

The existence and eventual destruction of Israel is a requirement to bring about The End Times.

See prior thread:

America's Roadmap to The Apocalypse
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2747646

[mix]

14. That's a good point.

But again you do not need fascism or Nazism to explain this, just good old American fundamentalism.

[Ardent15]

15. I think American fundamentalism has a lot in common with fascism

[mix]

16. I'm listening. nt

[Ardent15]

20. Authoritarianism, belief in simple solutions and people to blame

And and incredible self-righteous streak.

[mix]

23. That's pretty general...a young Stalinist might have believed in the same things.

The totalitarian system we face is neoliberal and far more sophisticated and hegemonic than the colonial, fascist, and communist totalitarian systems preceding it.

The Bush family's despicable Nazi ties reflect the values of a certain segment of the American oligarchy, but they are by no means evidence of a fascist takeover.

Our social and political evils as a country are deeply American and most predate Nazism.

[Ardent15]

24. In that, I agree with you.

You are correct.

[Ian David]

17. Fascism and Nazism are both brands of Fundamentalism.

Fascism and Nazism are both fundamentalist worship of The State or The Party or The State's Official Religion.

Communism is just Fascism without money, and The State/Party takes the place of a supernatural deity.

[mix]

19. And what do your skillz say about neoliberal capitalism?

What's going on there?

[Ian David]

22. Economic Anarchy or Musolini-style Fascism- The merger of State and Corporation.

Republican Neoliberalism is Touching Us All.
http://www.mythical.net/forum/2010/05/republican-neoliberalism-touching-us-all

[mix]

25. I taught Mussolini for several years in a freshmen seminar.

Never once in faculty or student discussions did someone say, you know his texts and speeches and Italian fascism in general sure sounds like today. 19th and 20th century capitalism--liberal and neoliberal--were central to our classes. This claim that the Mussolini's corporatism is the corporatism of today is simply false, wrong, mistaken.

A random link won't change this.

[Ian David]

26. Well, call Thom Hartmann and argue with HIM about it then.

Mon-Fri, 12-3 Eastern
1-866-987-THOM (8466)

If you tell the screener you want to disagree, they'll bump you to the front of the line.

[mix]

29. Thom Hartman is probably a brilliant guy.

But I will listen to the historians and political philosophers first. You know, the experts.

[Ian David]

30. Then you should call and correct him.

Unless you want people to say Clint Eastwood is a coward.

[mix]

33. Clint who? nt

[mix]

28. But in addition to Bush's quirky eschatology,

there were also immediate geopolitical and ideological concerns that drove his support for Israel.

And if he was indeed driven by some hidden end-of-times agenda, a BIG if, he failed.

[Ian David]

32. You'd be hard pressed to find something Bush did NOT fail.

He did, however, succeed in making the telemarketers stop calling me.

[mix]

37. His beliefs, judgment and policies killed a lot of people too...they continue to do so.

[SpiralHawk]

21. Lots of unrecommends for this - Republicons trying to hide their shame

as usual. Unable to handle truth.

[Make7]

36. "We're dealing with Hitler revisited, a totalitarianism and a brutality..."

President BUSH: We're dealing with Hitler revisited, a totalitarianism and a brutality that is naked and unprecedented in modern times, and that must not stand!

    <-snip->

President BUSH: Eyewitness accounts of the cruel and senseless suffering endured by the people of Kuwait -- summary executions, routine torture -- Hitler revisited.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/etc/mind.html

I remember the same sort of propaganda comparing Saddam to Hitler being used in the run up to the Iraq War. I'm not sure if Bush43 directly made such a comparison, but the phrase "Axis of Evil" certainly implied such a parallel.

In fact, Hitler and Nazis seem to be one of the most widely used analogies when trying to disparage an opponent (e.g. Obama is Hitler, progressives are Nazis, Osama bin Laden is Hitler, George W. Bush is Hitler, etc.). Someone even came up with some law regarding such comparisons in online discussions. I wonder why...
 

[Karenina]

43. . .