120F + in the sun here. Teevee weather: "Another beautiful day"

[Cetacea]

I am in South Florida and this is the daily temperature in the sun from May-October. Nobody talks about it.
My readings are based on taking an outdoor thermometer and holding it in direct sunlight- for three minutes.

I know that outdoor temps are supposed to be taken in the shade. Tell that to roof workers and other people who work or live in shade-starved areas. Tell it to the oil.

Keep those tourism dollars rolling in, heat-stroke be dammed.

edit: the locals tell me that it wasn't always like this-that they use to work and go fishing all day during the summers...

[UndertheOcean]

1. um.... were do I begun ... I am stumped , really .

I guess my only suggestion is to pick an introduction to thermodynamics type of book the next time you visit the library.

[Cetacea]

2. What part don't you get? It's not unlike the "wind-chill factor"

Explain thermodynamics to old people dying of heat stroke...

[UndertheOcean]

3. you know that body heat dissipates into the air ? right ?

so it is Air temperature that is important here , letting solar radiation screw up your measurement device is , excuse me, stupid.

[Cetacea]

4. And I supose the 10 minute sun-burn does as well, correct?

Besides, you are missing the point. People joke about the weather reports here, and they all say it was never this hot.

[UndertheOcean]

6. Then pressure them to report solar radiation predictions (Watts/m^2)

pointing a thermometer at the sun means nothing.

(What I am trying to say : It is not the right tool for the job)

[Cetacea]

8. Reporting the Heat index on a daily basis would be an impovement.

But the emphasis is on tourism.

[tammywammy]

5. Isn't that why they say "with a heat index of..."

The current temp here is 91, but feels like 98. :shrug:

[Cetacea]

7. Correct. WIth the sun and 90 % humidity here the index here is over 100

But it is "another beautiful day". And the say this every time the sun is out.

[UndertheOcean]

9. Because they are pandering to rich people who have AC at home and who drive everywhere

to Air conditioned Malls ?

Do you think any media is geared towards the common lower income and middle lower income person ?

[Cetacea]

22. Thank you. n/t

[tammywammy]

10. Then is your complaint against the tv weather people?

They don't say that here, they say it's going to be hot when it's hot, or humid or cold, none of that "another beautiful day" if it's not. :shrug:

[Cetacea]

11. That and the stories from Fla natives on the way it was.

I came across a study that concluded that a majority of TV weather people are climate change deniers. (the theory is that they are envious of Ivy league meteorologists)

[MineralMan]

33. Did you. Could you give me a link to that study, then?

I'd be really interested to read it. I hadn't heard that one. I bet it was a rilly "scientific" study, don't you think? So, link, please.

[mitchtv]

45. it was a "poll" if I remember correctly

but yeah I saw that a while back

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. No.

Heat index is a measure of both air temperature and the relative humidity.

The OP isn't measuring the air temperature, as a thermometer kept in the shade would do. Rather, she's measuring the glass (or metal, depending on the specific thermometer) tip of the thermometer as it heats in direct sunlight.

Which is the reason everybody knows you're supposed to measure temp in the shade.

It's like going outside and measuring the temperature of asphalt and saying it's air temperature.

[Cetacea]

21. Do the math.

Three minutes of exposure, 93 degrees, heat burn index at maximum, rubber melting off my bike seat, dashboards cracking.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Do what math, specifically?

[Cetacea]

29. At what point does skin begin to cook?

Because sunburn kicks in in just 10 minutes here. Of course you don't take a reading in the sun. I basically said as much in the OP. You are too anxious to argue than comprehend the nuances of the OP.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. Sun burn's caused by UV exposure, not ambient air temperature.

I understand all the "nuances" of your OP and subsequent replies.

You've been failing at every single step.

[Cetacea]

36. Again, explain that to heat stroke victims.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. Do you want to talk about sun burn "victims" or heat stroke victims?

Where would you like to set your goal posts?

[Cetacea]

38. Neither. I'm going for a swim. lol

In the shade, of course.

[MineralMan]

24. Move away from there, then.

For pete's sake. It's hot in Florida? Let me show you my shocked face:

[tammywammy]

25. Thanks for the explanation.

:)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. No prob.

[Cetacea]

46. Don't forget to add 15 degrees if in direct sunlight

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. It's even hotter here in oregon.

I took the temperature in the inside of a black car sitting in the hot sun for hours. 140 degrees.

Then I checked in my pot of boiling water. 212 degrees.

And my oven's broiler? 500 fucking degrees Farenheit.

Stupid fucking weathermen.

[Cetacea]

14. It's "here".

Do they say it's another beautiful day when it's minus 5 degrees?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. They don't stop saying "it's another beautiful sunny day..."

just because some viewer doesn't understand basic science.

[Cetacea]

17. lol. right,

Jealous, sweetie? My op is perfectly clear that it was taken in the sun. My beef isn't with science. Nice try.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. Of what, exactly?

what have you got that I haven't got?

[MineralMan]

40. Oh, let's not go there, please...

I'm sure we don't want to know about that...

[Cetacea]

49. Extreme heat, for starters.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

58. Nineties? Ain't that extreme.

It'll probably be in the nineties here later this week. And jealous? Weren't you just complaining about the weather?

[Cetacea]

65. True. But with humidity and semi-tropical sun it's far hotter

I wasn't complaining about the weather as much as the reportage of it.

[Cetacea]

57. They should be honest, especially for the elderly and medicated

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mfl/?n=fla_weather_casualties

Your science and my science don't like each other.

[notadmblnd]

19. if the sun is shining, they do.

[MineralMan]

28. They do here, when it was -20 the day before.

Why do you live in such a hellhole? Why are you not packing? Why are you complaining here about the heat where you live? Why am I even reading this? Bye.

[MineralMan]

26. Run for your life!

[Obamanaut]

13. I am in N. Florida. The sun is out, the sky is blue, there are a few

fluffy white clouds, there is no wind, the temp is the mid 90s, and it is another beautiful day.

No rain, no sleet, no gloom of night, and I am still on the green side of the grass. A good day!

[Cetacea]

15. Sounds nice.

The sun and humidity really change drastically as you cross the Palm Beaches.

[MineralMan]

31. Why do you live there...in that hellhole, then?

Whining about the weather? What's the point? If you don't like the weather where you live, move the fuck away from there. Is this the Weather Underground? (Oh, wait...I remember them...never mind.)

[Cetacea]

39. That's personal info, kiddo.

[MineralMan]

41. You're the one who said you were in South Florida.

It may be personal information, but you're the one who raised the issue.

And I'm notbody's "kiddo."

[Cetacea]

48. I like being around democrats. This area carries the state.

And pardon me if I am concerned that the heat index is 122 F and there are a lot of uninformed old people here, and others on meds.

[Obamanaut]

42. According to Accuweather, it is now 93, with 'realfeel' 107. I just finished

putting lattice along the bottom of a disabled ramp a grandson made for Miz O, with a bed of pine bark along each side. Maybe flowers later. Landscape timbers to keep the pine bark in, a stone cat on each side at the end, sitting on patio stones.

Still on the green side of the grass. Any day on the green side is a good day, even with high temps, both real and 'realfeel'.

[Cetacea]

51. 122 here (in direct sun)

Sounds like a lovely day for you and yours!

[Obamanaut]

60. It was a lovely day indeed. Thank you. We are expecting a neighbor

to come over this evening to pick herself some blueberries when it cools a bit more. We've been giving her squash, onions, tomatoes, and bell peppers for several weeks.

She is a CNA who helps take care of Miz O's mom in a local nursing home, and vegetables is a way of expressing thank you - in addition to a hug from time to time.

Another neighbor checks on us when our daughter doesn't hear from us at a frequency she approves us. She calls him, and even though I see him every day when he comes in from work, he still wanders over so he can tell her he did.

I do indeed have lovely days. I wish more people could have more of them.

[Cetacea]

69. YW.

:)

[Mojorabbit]

70. I was in my bee suit

yesterday in Orlando capturing a swarm and I swear I steamed inside of it. I was soaked from head to toe when I took that sucker off and my face was red as a beet. But...I have a new hive now of free bees! It does feel like it is abnormally hot this year.

[Retrograde]

32. They worked outdoors because they had to

and IMHO Southerners got the reputation of being shiftless and lazy because they moved more slowly to keep from keeling over when they worked in the fields and on the roads. There's a reason the siesta was invented where it was.

Even if you credit global warming for a rise in temperatures, summers have always been hot months, but people learned to cope out of necessity. They built houses that better suited their local climate rather than the one-style-fits-all today's developers love, for one. Life without air-conditioning wasn't pleasant in the South, but they coped because they didn't have much of a choice. And they sweated a lot more than we're comfortable with.

[Cetacea]

34. That you for the intelligent response.

Appreciated.

[MineralMan]

35. And they drank lots of lemonade and sweet tea, too.

[Retrograde]

64. and other fruits and fruit drinks

My late father-in-law, an ag agent in Mississippi, used to take watermelons when he went to visit the fields because it's essentially sugar-water (with a bit of fiber and other nutrients) that people working out in the sun found refreshing on hot days. I personally prefer it to sweet tea, which in the Deep South can be overpoweringly sweet. My personal favorites are Mexican aguas frescas, or fruit juices. Water's good, but something with a little sweetness really hits the spot on a hot day.

[JCMach1]

43. Come visit me in the UAE where it is 120+ in the shade... oh and HUMID too...

As a native Floridian, I always enjoy visiting home in the summer and enjoying the cool temperatures.

[Cetacea]

47. Ah, thank you.

Abu Dhabi?

[JCMach1]

52. Sharjah... but less than 10km from DXB airport- It is a WHOLE other level of heat here

I still remember our first day in 2003 during August. It was between 53-60C + in the sun. We nearly (seriously) had a heat stroke walking the equivalent of two blocks to a mini-mart.

[mitchtv]

44. come , drop by Palm Springs,

It's a dry heat

[Cetacea]

50. Sounds chilling.

Thanks!

[mitchtv]

55. 105 in the shade is normal

regular to 110;occasionally 115-118.the pool gets pretty warm too. take the tram up our local Mt San Jacinto and you get 80's

[Cetacea]

53. Heat index chart. Add 15 degrees in direct sun. TY.

[JCMach1]

54. This chart doesn't work for where I live... It was 111F in the Shade with about 45% humidity

That makes the temperature in the Sun, about 160F ???

Sounds bad, but will be hitting 120+F with even more humidity in July and August.

[Cetacea]

56. Jeeze... Any numbers on heat stroke ?

I know that they are climbing here and in a few other states.

[shanti]

62. here in sacramento

we have a "dry" heat. it's been to about 112 a few times in the past, but it seems like our summers are getting cooler as of late. i don't leave the house in the summertime unless i have to (as in work). heat stroke at least 3 times, at lake havasu, garberville, and laytonville. we pay with increased skin cancer rates too.

i spent august in jamaica once and the heat was OMG. i could feel my skin cooking! the humidity! i'll take dry over humid any day.

[JCMach1]

63. Outside jobs are banned during the hottest hours of the day...

The sad fact is that we humans are adaptable. As with EXTREME COLD, my body has adapted over the years. For example, we I go home to the Summer heat in Florida and the U.S., I just don't feel it. It feels COOL.

[Cetacea]

67. I can't imagine that kind of heat.

For you to feel that S. Fla summers are COOL...just wow. I feel really badly for the oil spill clean-up workers. They're likely to be there through the worst of the summer months with little access to shade.

[Bluenorthwest]

59. I used to visit, let's say Naples, in the 70's

And in the summer it was hot and humid, oppressively so, all day and all night. Hot fucking hot, sticky hot. I knew a construction worker who left the house with his pockets filled with corn starch each morning.
I remember distinctly stepping off the plane in Florida for the first time as a kid and actually being afraid of the humidity. I thought there was something wrong with the air, and wanted to go home at once. We were there for weeks, and although I did return of my semi free will two more times, never did I understand how people live there by any kind of choice, especially when you add the politics and the bugs.
Lots of things I love about it, but it has always been a hot, sticky, open air cooking method of a State.

[Mojorabbit]

72. I am the opposite

whenever I land at the airport here after being away no matter how many years and walk outside and the heat and humidity hit me I feel like I am "home". The air IS different. :)

[gateley]

61. I'd shoot myself. I hate hot weather. I lived in NC for 7 years and I often

wondered about those slaves and farm workers who worked ungodly hours in ungodly heat (as I drove past tobacco fields in my air conditioned car.:eyes:)

[crazyjoe]

66. why not try sticking it in the oven?

[Cetacea]

68. We don't need no stinkin' ovens.

[Lorien]

71. I'm in Central Florida. It's gastley.

Nearly had heat stroke just sitting on my porch yesterday during our yard sale!

[Fumesucker]

73. I worked in a light manufacturing shop in N Fla in the early 80's..

When we would walk outside for lunch in the Fla summer it was like walking into AC..

At least 120 degrees inside, the only thing that made it at all bearable was we had large fans circulating the oven like air.

[SmileyRose]

74. You aren't measuring air temperature.

You are measuring the temperature of the glass and metal the thermometer is made of. you'll want to put your thermometer just outside the reach of direct sunlight to get an accurate reading of the air temperature in the sun.