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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 02:59 PM
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Archbishop urges Congress not to repeal DADT: Don't sacrifice "moral beliefs"!
Edited on Fri Jun-11-10 03:17 PM by Bluebear
From the STFU/Physician, heal thyself files:

WASHINGTON — The archbishop in charge of more than 800 chaplains in the American armed forces has condemned the proposed repeal of the 1993 law banning openly homosexual persons from serving in the military.

“The effect of a repeal” of the so-called “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy “has the potential of being enormous and overwhelming,” wrote Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services, USA.

His statement, released on the archdiocese’s website June 1, was a summary of a report he was asked to make to the chiefs of chaplains of the armed forces. “Sacrificing the moral beliefs of individuals or their living conditions to respond to mere political considerations is neither just nor prudent,” he wrote...

Instead, chaplains must urge homosexuals to commit themselves to a life of chastity. “By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and by sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.”

http://www.ncregister.com/register_exclusives/dont_ask_dont_tell/
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:00 PM
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1. More like religious beliefs than moral beliefs.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 10:00 PM
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14. +1
Being gay does not make one moral or not moral any more than being straight does...
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:02 PM
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2. "has the potential of being enormous and overwhelming"
Yes.

When nothing bad comes of letting gays serve openly, an enormous piece of the lie he tells for a living will be exposed for what it is.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:58 PM
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23. I'm surprised he didn't also use "throbbing" and "an angry plum color"
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:14 PM
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3. Archbishop to Congress: Keep War Moral! n/t
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:16 PM
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4. The church has its own "don't ask, don't tell" policy

In regards to the pedophile scandal.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:20 PM
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5. How about immoral beliefs? I think those oughta be sacrificed PDQ.
Like, for example, the immoral belief that god made some folks more equal than others.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:55 PM
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6. They are so moral!
The insanity of looking to pedophiles and their enablers for moral guidance is obvious.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 04:05 PM
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7. It's ok to kill other men, but for God's sake don't have consentual sex with them.n/t
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 05:17 PM
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8. Anybody ask him if he had facts
to back up his claims??
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 09:07 PM
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9. Hahahahaha!
It's funny that Catholic clergy actually think they have any kind of moral authority anymore.

TlalocW
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 09:21 PM
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10. Archbishop Broglio's statement on proposed legislation
... A number of chaplains and commanding officers have expressed concerns about the effects of a change. There is a request for guidance .... those with a homosexual orientation can expect respect and treatment worthy of their human dignity. The prohibitions regarding sexual harassment and intimidation refer just as much to homosexuals as to anyone else ... Catholic chaplains must show compassion for persons with a homosexual orientation ... No one can deny that persons with a homosexual orientation are already in the military ... The effect of a repeal of the current legislation has the potential of being enormous and overwhelming. Nothing should be changed until there is certainty that morale will not suffer ...
https://milarch.org/index/news-app/story.81/title.archbishop-broglio-s-statement-on-proposed-legislation

The full statement is not very surprising from a Catholic archbishop: it reiterates the well-known standard Roman Catholic positions on sexual conduct. Despite the headline of the OP, the statement does not actually "urge Congress not to repeal DADT," though it seems clear enough the archbishop is not enthusiastic about DADT repeal
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 09:34 PM
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11. You missed this part apparently
The very last paragraph says:

"    The Archdiocese for the Military Services—the only jurisdiction charged with the pastoral care of all Catholics in the military, VA Administration, and at the service of the Federal Government outside of the boundaries of the United States, which is also charged with endorsing Roman Catholic priests urges the Congress not to repeal the current policy for the Armed Forces."
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 12:05 AM
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16. My apologies. You are right. Thanks for the correction
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 09:36 PM
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12. Don't let our altar boys from the confessional!!~!!!
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 09:41 PM
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13. The Catholic Leadership are the last people who have ANY credibilty in regards to morals
Fuck you Mr. Archbishop. As long as your church continues to hide and cover up for child rapists you should probably shut your fucking mouth in regards to morals or ethics.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 10:10 PM
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15. I think Bill Hicks already addressed this.
"I've been watching all these Congressional hearings, and all these military guys and all the pundits going, 'The esprit de corps will be affected and we are such a moral...' excuse me, aren't you all a bunch of fucking HIRED KILLERS? SHUT UP!"
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jp11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 12:22 AM
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17. I'm liking the hypocrisy he has.
Chaplains, he says, will be at risk of disciplinary action, including dismissal, if they inform soldiers performing homosexual acts of the immorality of their actions. “The Army only sees one side of an issue. If you don’t agree, it says, you can leave.”

Seems the Army isn't the only 'one' that only sees one side of an issue.

“Sacrificing the moral beliefs of individuals or their living conditions to respond to mere political considerations is neither just nor prudent,”

Oddly this is exactly what DADT has done and does to the LGBTG people in it.

It is all just an excuse for hate, and passing judgement.


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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 12:51 PM
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18. But he's fine with all the good Christian boys
that go out and get VD from whores, as long as they say their Hail Marys. That's God's way.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 12:54 PM
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19. Brought to you by the same folks who fuck underaged kids.
Perhaps Timmie should talk to Bernie Law about child abuse. He and Ratzie are experts on the subject.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:09 PM
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20. "Christian Perfection"
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 01:10 PM by walldude
Unfuckingbelievable... Forget the hypocrisy, forget the military, forget the irony, forget the inhumanity, and forget sanity, my question is,

You expect me to take you fucking seriously while wearing that hat?




If that is your idea of "Christian Perfection" I'll take my chances in hell.
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:54 PM
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21. Please tell Archbishop that he needs to become "a moral person" before he says anymore
Otherwise, just go back to his own corner of evil empire and shut up.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:56 PM
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22. It appears that the archbishop is confusing superstition for morality
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