I had a novel idea the other day.. Athiests and the LGBT communities should unite

[snooper2]

Since we are both "minorities" in public perception and political power, wouldn't it be better to have an umbrella group where resources can be pooled along with membership/numbers?

I was browsing around on the Intertubes and was looking at sites and research- What the bible really says about homosexuality. For example ( http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibi.htm ) Read a lot of interpretations and after a hour or so I was thinking, what a waste of time and starting thinking from a different perspective.

What if, we just agree that the bible does condemn it along with a bunch of other crazy ideas and unite with this common message. The bible was written and re-written by a bunch of backwards uneducated men thousands of years ago who also believed the World was flat, the earth was the center of the universe, and rain was Jesus weeping. Just a bunch of stories and people who take credence in them are to be dismissed. Religion shouldn't even be brought up in the conversation of equal rights in modern times, or used as a talking point for the "sanctity of marriage". It is 2010 after all... :)


Just a thought, probably will never happen, and I'm sure I'll get bashed now :P ....

[Oregone]

1. I disagree

Then the LGBT community can no longer claim God is gay and the atheists can no longer claim gays are more powerful than a non-existent God

:)

[GodlessBiker]

2. No, thanks. We do not need to add an A to LGBTIQ.

[meegbear]

6. Another letter? Can't we just be gay and leave it at that?

[Stevenmarc]

20. Well if we have to we can make room for it by kicking Q to the curb

Q was the most annoying addition to the list anyway. Questioning? Really? When they get a frigging clue they can come back and claim a letter.

[RaleighNCDUer]

25. You don't think that alphabet soup could use another vowel or two?

It would make it pronounceable as a word, if you added 2 'A's (agnostic & athiest).

Lagbatiq.

Qagbati.

[Duer 157099]

3. Plus, the rainbow is a symbol of God's love (or promise or something)

So that wouldn't go too well together

[snooper2]

4. I thought rainbows

where because the sun shines onto droplets of water creating a prism effect :)

[Codeine]

5. All of my gay friends

are at least nominally religious. Their sexuality has nothing to do with my atheism, and vice-versa.

[YOY]

7. No problem with that...already there really. Just don't expect me to ever like Lady Gaga.

I don't care how much people tell me how talented she is..."Pokerface" makes me want to punch random strangers in the face and the video for "Telephone" is just mentally stunted.

[Codeine]

11. I like the way you think, sir. nt

[blondeatlast]

27. Agreed. nt

[dmallind]

8. Many atheist groups already support gay rights actively

There is little reciprocity, which makes sense I suppose when you think about it.

To organized atheism, opposition to gay rights is another example of religious hegemony as (a great deal if not almost all) vehement opposition to gay rights is based on religion.

To organized gay rights groups, atheists are just another group that includes some GLBT members but mostly not.

[snooper2]

12. I've never been sure of the religiousity level of the GLBT community

but yep, for a religous gay man, this probably wouldn't fly...

[dmallind]

17. Me either - anecdotal only

I don't go canvassing people on religion in any organized way but I certainly experience less overt religiosity from those whom I know to be gay, but certainly not zero.

Intuitively you would expect less fire-breathing fundamentalism inerrancy garbage from gays, because even the most self-loathing is not likely to be too keen on being an abomination who should be executed. But religion of the more enlightened and nuanced kind is going to be not that much less common amongst GLBT than similar straight demographics. Of course both atheism and (acknowledged) homosexuality tend to get a bit more common amongst those with higher incomes/education so a pure measure of religiosity amongst GLBT en masse would likely be lower than amongst heterosexuals if those not corrected for.

I'm sure there IS a survey or two out there but none I can remember seeing.

[Sebastian Doyle]

9. And what would you call this combined group?

"Gaytheists"? :shrug:

[Lance_Boyle]

10. Two great tastes that have nothing whatsoever to do with one another. n/t

[Tailormyst]

13. I've never met an athiest against equality!

And I've never met a gay person who was religiously intolerant. Once upon a time I just assumed we were all under the Liberal Umbrella. These days it seems to have grown more complicated.

[Codeine]

16. I've known some Freeper atheists, unfortunately. nt

[YOY]

18. Lemme guess. Libertarians to the Nth degree?

Strange bedfellows to say the least.

[dmallind]

19. Wouldn't pure libertarians have no issue with gay rights? NT

[YOY]

21. Yeah...but the whole self empowerment and personal choice thing...

Might make them think "gay" is a choice...just a guess.

Personally...I'm with Gandalf...

[Codeine]

22. Objectivists. A more wretched philosophy of scum and villainy. . . nt

[YOY]

24. Ain't nothin' like following the path of an angry woman who died rich, bitter, and alone...

Well...at least Greenspan laid a wreath in the shape of a dollar sign on her grave...

Touching really...and no surprise they have homophobes.

[Tailormyst]

23. To be honest I don't know many freepers

Those I do know tend to be of the ultra-religious Catholic types.

[Sebastian Doyle]

29. I thought a "Freeper atheist" was

someone who didn't believe in Ronald Reagan.

[SidDithers]

30. Well played, sir...

:applause:

Sid

[Berry Cool]

31. Ah, but not all religious people or people of faith are religiously intolerant, either.

And not all liberals are atheists. That is what you fail to understand.

[Tailormyst]

32. I never said either one- You should reread what I wrote

You put meaning into my post that was not there.

[NeedleCast]

14. As far as I know, most athiests and LGBT are on the same side

I'm an athiest and fully support LGBT rights. So do most of the non-believers I know.

Honestly, in the US, I'd be shocked if we didn't have a homosexual, minority (non-white), female president before we have an athiest one.

[RKP5637]

15. Probably better separate so we incrementally work, because to some that

are against one or the other, or both, two perceived negatives (combined) to them won't make a positive IMO. Also, at Least to me, there is not a strong correlation between being gay and an atheist. Perceived commonalities might be conflicting...

[frebrd]

26. Please...........

Atheist:

A T H E I S T

Atheist.

Thank you!

:)

Edited to add:

If it helps, the "e" and the "i" come in alphabetical order.

[SidDithers]

28. Count me in...

:hi:

Sid

[Touchdown]

33. Stiil too many GLBT people who believe in fantasies...

Like anybody actually looks good in lavender! :rofl:

Honestly, your scenario is exactly like my personal experience. If these passages are bullshit, how much more is being punished?