They have unleashed Armageddon!

[G_j]

http://www.opednews.com/articles/B-P-Halliburton-and-Trans-by-Chris-Landau-100611-452.html

B.P, Halliburton and Transocean have unleashed Armageddon and now there is no stopping it.


By Chris Landau


For OpEdNews: Chris Landau - Writer

B.P, Halliburton and Transocean have unleashed Armageddon and now there is no stopping it. Senator Bill Nelson has told us how bad it is.
This is our worst nightmare. The oil industry has killed the Gulf of Mexico.

My worst fears have been realized. If this link is true and the oil is coming through the sea floor, they have either blown out the formation or blown out the cement (which we know they did anyway to get the blowout to occur). I am beginning to realize why they have not wanted toclose the valves on the cap. The more theyclose it, the more oil is going to come up through the sea floor, next to the well casing. I listed 12 points in my attached article. The really big concern here is that their directional wells are now pointless. They are GUARANTEED to fail because you can not pump mud or cement into a blown out well. It just does not set with oil and gas roaring past.

The next biggest concern is that they have to get 8 new wells in immediately to relieve the background oil and gas pressure. The oil is going to start coming up at an ever increasing rate along the casing and theblowout preventer.The oil and gas is going to act as ahigh pressurepressure washerand erode away all the sandstone and mudstone.There is nothing they can do about it.
This is also the end of B.P. The claims will go on forever.

What these guys do not understand is that it is much worse than they think. Here is the reason why.

They need to date the oil to find out how old the oil is. The rock formation might be 30 to 200 million years old here. I do not know and have not looked at under sea maps.

The oil is either old oil, say almost as old as the formation, or they have drilled into a massive active fault zone that is reducing carbon dioxide to methane. If it is high inhydrogen sulfide, it is reducing calcareous sediments to oil and more natural gas in the presence of salt solutions. Now they are providingmore saltwater, so via the Wurtz Synthesis more oil is going to be created than natural gas. The methane is going to be converted to ethane, propane, butane, pentane and other long chain organic compounds.You see if oil is being made now, at a very rapid rate in this area, the pressure is never, ever going to drop off along the casing and the oil is going to flow into the gulf forever.The only hope to reduce the pressure will be by sinking more new wells into this area and try and drain off the oil and gas as quickly as it is being made.

You see oil is basically inorganic. It is not made from dead squashed plankton. It is not a fossil fuel. It is an inorganic chemical compound reduced from calcareous sediments and carbon dioxide and methane gas. My peer reviewed published papers using chemical and thermodynamic equations show how this occurs. The link to the papers is available below. Of course although I was published by The American Institute of Professional Geologists in 2009 and the Association of Environmentaland Engineering Geologists in 2008, it does not mean that my theories are accepted by the majority of geologists. It will probably take 50 years, as with the theory of Continental Drift to get accepted by geologists in general. Maybe this disaster will shave off 20 years. Things evolve slowly in geology!

We can only hope it is old oil. We can only date oil back 100 000 years by carbon dating, but that is fine. We need to know if this oil is 10 to 100 years old and if its age is changing as it escapes. Is the escaping oil getting older or younger? So we need to start dating the oil on a weekly basis to see what is happening.
I volunteer for the job.

One last point that the public does not understand. It is not about deep water drilling where the problems have arisen. It is about high pressure oil and gas drilling that creates the problems. These zones can be found on land as well as at sea and can start from as little as 10000 feet, not the 20000 of this well. These high pressure wells have always been a problem. Of the millions of wells drilled, there are thousands of these ticking time bomb, high pressure wells in existence and new ones are being drilled every day. New risks are being taken daily.

..more..

This is the video showing Senator Nelson reporting the oil is coming up through the sea floor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bj_kco8qTQ&feature=player_embedded


As a geologist, I delivered two peer reviewed presentations to prove the theory, one to the Association of Engineering and Environmental Geologists in 2008 (AEG). See http://www.aegweb.org/files/public/abstracts.pdf, page 17.

The other was to The American Institute of Professional Geologists (AIPG) in October 2009. Seehttp://www.aipg.org/Meetings/2009%20Annual%20Meeting/2009proceedings.pdf, page 94.
Chris Landau

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Good old opednews.

Abiotic oil.

Nobody can combine the stupidest of woo woo with current events like opednews can.

[NNN0LHI]

6. Abiotic oil? They didn't do that did they?

I used to link to opednews.

Oh, shit.

Don

[G_j]

12. explanation?

you are good at attacking the messenger, not so inclined to address the message.
:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Did you read the article?

What part of the article strikes you as legit.

[G_j]

16. yes I did

but I am not a geologist. What strikes you as not legit?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. I'll just go ahead and bold the stuff that's wrong.

B.P, Halliburton and Transocean have unleashed Armageddon and now there is no stopping it.


By Chris Landau


For OpEdNews: Chris Landau - Writer

B.P, Halliburton and Transocean have unleashed Armageddon and now there is no stopping it. Senator Bill Nelson has told us how bad it is.
This is our worst nightmare. The oil industry has killed the Gulf of Mexico.

My worst fears have been realized. If this link is true and the oil is coming through the sea floor, they have either blown out the formation or blown out the cement (which we know they did anyway to get the blowout to occur). I am beginning to realize why they have not wanted toclose the valves on the cap. The more theyclose it, the more oil is going to come up through the sea floor, next to the well casing. I listed 12 points in my attached article. The really big concern here is that their directional wells are now pointless. They are GUARANTEED to fail because you can not pump mud or cement into a blown out well. It just does not set with oil and gas roaring past.

The next biggest concern is that they have to get 8 new wells in immediately to relieve the background oil and gas pressure. The oil is going to start coming up at an ever increasing rate along the casing and theblowout preventer.The oil and gas is going to act as ahigh pressurepressure washerand erode away all the sandstone and mudstone.There is nothing they can do about it.
This is also the end of B.P. The claims will go on forever.

What these guys do not understand is that it is much worse than they think. Here is the reason why.

They need to date the oil to find out how old the oil is. The rock formation might be 30 to 200 million years old here. I do not know and have not looked at under sea maps.

The oil is either old oil, say almost as old as the formation, or they have drilled into a massive active fault zone that is reducing carbon dioxide to methane. If it is high inhydrogen sulfide, it is reducing calcareous sediments to oil and more natural gas in the presence of salt solutions. Now they are providingmore saltwater, so via the Wurtz Synthesis more oil is going to be created than natural gas. The methane is going to be converted to ethane, propane, butane, pentane and other long chain organic compounds.You see if oil is being made now, at a very rapid rate in this area, the pressure is never, ever going to drop off along the casing and the oil is going to flow into the gulf forever.The only hope to reduce the pressure will be by sinking more new wells into this area and try and drain off the oil and gas as quickly as it is being made.

You see oil is basically inorganic. It is not made from dead squashed plankton. It is not a fossil fuel. It is an inorganic chemical compound reduced from calcareous sediments and carbon dioxide and methane gas. My peer reviewed published papers using chemical and thermodynamic equations show how this occurs. The link to the papers is available below. Of course although I was published by The American Institute of Professional Geologists in 2009 and the Association of Environmentaland Engineering Geologists in 2008, it does not mean that my theories are accepted by the majority of geologists. It will probably take 50 years, as with the theory of Continental Drift to get accepted by geologists in general. Maybe this disaster will shave off 20 years. Things evolve slowly in geology!

We can only hope it is old oil. We can only date oil back 100 000 years by carbon dating, but that is fine. We need to know if this oil is 10 to 100 years old and if its age is changing as it escapes. Is the escaping oil getting older or younger? So we need to start dating the oil on a weekly basis to see what is happening.
I volunteer for the job.

One last point that the public does not understand. It is not about deep water drilling where the problems have arisen. It is about high pressure oil and gas drilling that creates the problems. These zones can be found on land as well as at sea and can start from as little as 10000 feet, not the 20000 of this well. These high pressure wells have always been a problem. Of the millions of wells drilled, there are thousands of these ticking time bomb, high pressure wells in existence and new ones are being drilled every day. New risks are being taken daily.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. LOL, and here's his "peer reviewed published work."

A poster, and the abstract for his poster. I've seen harder work from Creationists.

"I suggest that inorganic pathways exist for producing coal, natural gas and oil from dolomite(CaMgCO3), calcium carbonate(CaCO3) (limestone), calcium carbonate
rich sandstones and mudstones, carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide. The carbon in the calcium carbonate is changed to methane and other natural gases by heat,
pressure and by reducing hydrogen sulphide gas and water. Active fault zones are a source of hydrogen sulphide gas, carbon dioxide gas and water. Under reducing
conditions water poor regions will produce coal. With more water, natural gases are produced. With abundant water, oil is produced.
Natural gas is found within, below and above limestone or calcium rich sandstone layers. These layers are the source of methane. They are not the traps for natural
gas. In a reducing environment, limestone is changed to methane.
CaCO3(limestone)+4H2S(hydrogen sulphide)+2Fe(iron) =Ca (OH)2(hydrated lime)+CH4(methane)+H20(water)+2FeS2(Pyrite)
Also, in the presence of water and hydrogen sulphide, a reducing and hydrating environment, methane, lime and sulphur tri-oxide are produced.
CaCO3+H20+H2S = CH4 +Ca (OH) 2+SO3 (sulphur tri-oxide)
Coal and methane may form by carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide bubbling out of volcanic vents in the presence of hydrogen sulphide (black smokers) No limestone
is necessary.
H2S will react with salt-water brines to produce HCl (hydrochloric acid).
H2S+2NaCl (salt) = 2HCl+Na2S
Hydrochloric acid reacts with calcium carbonate to produce carbon dioxide.
1) 3CO2(carbon dioxide) + H2S = 3CO(carbon monoxide) +H2O+SO2 (sulphur dioxide)
2) SO2 +CaCO3 = CaSO4+CO
Sulphur dioxide converts limestone to gypsum or anhydrite.
3) H2S + 3CO = 3C (coal/lignite) +H2O+SO2
Carbon dioxide and water with hydrogen sulphide will produce methane gas.
4) 2C + H2S + 3 H2O =2 CH4 + SO3
The accepted origin for coal and gas is through forests and plankton being buried under heat and pressure. Tree fern fossils or pterodactyl fossils and dinosaur
bones in coal do not mean that these fossils created the coal. The fossils were preserved in non – oxidizing, reducing conditions. Plankton in oil means that these
reducing conditions preserved these organisms. The plankton did not create the oil. Coal is therefore a chemical sedimentary deposit as is chert (SiO2) and dolomite
(CaMgCO3). Oil and gas are inorganic by-products of reducing environments and conditions. With further reduction and in the presence of iron, coal and seashells, are
changed to pyrite. Gastropod shells are often seen under reducing conditions, perfectly preserved and made of pyrite. The Petrified Forest, which represent tree trunks
turned to stone, under siliceous conditions, does not mean that living trees when buried, are always preserved in carbon form. The fossils outlines are preserved, but
they are altered to the chemistry that surrounds them."

[JDPriestly]

35. In his biography, he does not state where or when he learned geology.

Is he an engineer? Is he really a geologist? Where did he study geology? He does not claim to have a degree from what I can tell. He apparently does not teach anywhere or do research anywhere other than in his organic garden. Looks like a nice guy, and he could be right about some things. But his theory seems superficial, and he bases it on the rather off-hand statements of a member of Congress who may or may not know what he is talking about.

I'm not saying that Landau is wrong. I'm just saying that I don't know enough about his background to judge the likely merits of his theories. I can't judge his theories on their scientific value because I do not understand the science well enough to criticize his ideas. I have to evaluate his input based on his background and credentials. And he does not seem to have any. But, he does say that he has a brilliant family, so he certainly has something going for him in that respect.

He could be right, but I would not panic until some other experts have read and comment on his theories.

His statement that oil is formed from inorganic matter kind of defies accepted the scientific view. Organic chemistry is the term for the science of carbon compounds, and the word organic tells you that the carbon compounds are organic, not inorganic by definition. I would like to hear more about the evidence with which he supports his theory that oil and gas form from inorganic matter.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

68. Apparently he's with some outfit called L.A.N.D.A.U.

:rofl:

No, he has no training in engineering, science, or geology. Or at least he totally betrays any education he was given with a complete lack of understanding of the subject. We're talking a young earth creationist misunderstanding of science here.

He is not right. He is not even close.

He doesn't have any evidence. He hasn't got any work. His "publications" consist of a poster he typed up explaining his idea, which is based on fundamental misunderstandings of science to begin with.

[hfojvt]

38. why do you want to ruin a good Jeremiad?

When you could give it a soundtrack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI6Ms0b4q-4

[Name removed]

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[dionysus]

69. i also just learned that oil isn't a fossil fuel!

[Laelth]

2. Interesting and significant. k&r for exposure. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[femrap]

3. When the voilcano

had just begun, I read what a Petro Engineer said: This well is tapping oil that reaches underneath central Alabama!!!

I knew then we had had it. This is Earth changing. If I lived anywhere near the Gulf, I would move. Diaspora has been in the cards for a long time...

If a hurricane comes along, then what? Tar balls will be what? 100 miles inland?

Earthquake....how much oil/gas/methane can be released before the land gives way.

Karma...we are seeing our comeuppance. Get right with Mother Nature.

[deaniac21]

40. Goddess save us.

[lonestarnot]

41. perfection description, I'm stealing.

[femrap]

42. I stole it as well....

it is perfect. And should be widely used. The term 'spill' is simply an insult to the current situation.

[Kalyke]

74. That's just good old-fashioned plate techtonics.

There really is nothing new under the sun.

[flamingdem]

4. No one knows yet exactly what is going on .. except maybe BP and they ain't telling nt

[soryang]

5. links not working nt

[G_j]

9. try going to the article to link, (at bottom) nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

7. OMG

it gets worse

[DURHAM D]

8. Thanks for posting.

I remember reading a comment from PE, who works for another oil company in the Gulf, just a few days after the fire. He said that this well was in unknown territory and BP was the only oil company able or willing to take the risk in this field. He indicated that other operators were closely watching the progress (and problems) as they were anxious to see the results of this particular adventure.

It was also indicated in that article that the well was expected to produce 80,000 barrels a day. It was stated as fact - and not speculation.

[truebrit71]

10. Holy crap...

...

[Catherina]

11. Rec'd. I thought so from the beginning

When the drillers explained how that well just didn't want to be drilled and they had to force it, that confirmed my worst fears.

Pandora's box. I called it weeks ago. No sir, we can't have it all but what do I know? I'm a fucking retard luddite. Excuse me while I go throw up.

[bvar22]

14. Chris Landau is WRONG.

"My worst fears have been realized. If this link is true and the oil is coming through the sea floor, they have either blown out the formation or blown out the cement (which we know they did anyway to get the blowout to occur). I am beginning to realize why they have not wanted toclose the valves on the cap. The more theyclose it, the more oil is going to come up through the sea floor, next to the well casing. I listed 12 points in my attached article. The really big concern here is that their directional wells are now pointless. They are GUARANTEED to fail because you can not pump mud or cement into a blown out well. It just does not set with oil and gas roaring past."

This is not true.
In every single successful "relief well", heavy mud, and then cement have been pumped into "a blown out well."


"It just does not set with oil and gas roaring past."
In reality, the "oil and gas roaring past" actually creates a low pressure zone that assists the uptake of the "kill mud" into the uncontrolled well. The only condition is that the bottom of the relief well be in relatively close proximity to the pay zone that is blowing(the closer the better).
In the days I was involved, we aimed for 25', but I was aware of successful kills at 100'.
The technology available to do this is available today...In fact, it is common.

bvar22
Directional Driller in the Gulf of Mexico in my younger days.
Employee of an independent company that drill several successful relief wells in the Gulf of Mexico.
Lead Directional Driller on a successful relief well in the late 70s using the old technology.

[northernlights]

27. the links to the "peer reviewed" articles don't work

and I'm not sure what Mr. Landau means by "reduce CO2 to methane." :shrug:

[Catherina]

48. You have to remove the comma accidentally inserted in the link

http://www.aegweb.org/files/public/abstracts.pdf

[readmoreoften]

31. Thanks! Good to know.

:)

[smirkymonkey]

72. So what is the worst that can happen?

I mean, besides what is already happening. Once all that oil empties out of the Ocean floor, what then? (I'm asking - curious - not being sarcastic) Thanks.

[lpbk2713]

15. The Unholy Trinity

Those evil greedy bastards.


:kick:

[amborin]

17. horrific!

[BeHereNow]

20. For you and Scarlet Woman-

I am reposting a reply I just made to SW in her thread,
Living in a Wounded World.

I know you will take the time to read the last written
communication from the Kogi, to us, "the younger brothers."

I'm afraid we have really done some damage this time.
I think the Kogi would agree.

To Scarlet Woman, originally-

As you know, I am a long time follower of the Kogi Indians and their warning to the
"younger brothers" (us) about what was happening to the planet as a result of the
disruptions and destruction of their practices and sacred sites.

The journey into studying the Kogi's started when I say Alan Ereira's documentary
made by the BBC in the late eighties.
"From the Heart of the World - the Elder Brothers' Warning'"

Alan recently emailed me with an update about a pending second film.
Apparently, the Kogi have more to say to us.

I wrote to him this morning to ask if he had any word from them
about the BP disaster.
I remembered a section of their last written communication with the world
about what they call Dungunavi:

This is an excerpt from the 2009 letter to us from the Kogi.

"Dugunavi (another damaged sacred site) is the person who has to take care of the sea, so she is a Mother too, and we must take care of the sea just as of the Earth so that it produces fish, shellfish and everything. We human beings are her children. Dugunavi… is slowly fading. The Organisation Gonawindua Tairona and their Cabildo exist to make public declarations about all this since the Mothers cannot take care of things unaided."

You can read the entire letter here:
http://taironatrust.org /
(They also talk about the water cycle being broken)
I wish more people would learn about the Kogi.
I fear it is too late.

From the first documentary:
"
the Kogi were almost unknown until they agreed to the making of ‘From the Heart of the World - The Elder Brothers’ Warning’, a BBC documentary made by Alan Ereira in 1990. The film contained a strong message of warning concerning the environment.

“Up to now we have ignored the Younger Brother. We have not deigned even to give him a slap. But now we can no longer look after the world alone. The Younger Brother is doing too much damage. He must see, and understand, and assume responsibility. Now we will have to work together. Otherwise, the world will die.”
Kogi Mama


BHN

[gtar100]

47. As important as this is, classic european cultures will not be swayed.

How it is that any human can look upon the earth as nothing more than a supermarket or economic opportunity, I fail to comprehend except through seeing them as insane. We cannot reason or convince anyone who believes they have a god-given right to take what they want from the earth, especially when their "great understanding" of life is centered upon going to heaven after they die or worse, this is their one life and their only chance to have a good time. They do not view the earth as sacred or see the need for balance with nature. Nature to them is both a pantry door and a playground, nothing more. They will not "get it" until the chaos they create consumes them. Only by then, it's too late.

Then there are many who do see the issues, feel the sacredness, do see the need for us to be part of nature, not a user of nature. But they are caught in a culture that has developed its means of survival with practices that have no respect for the laws of sustainable ecology. They are educated only to survive through man-made means and would perish if thrown into the wilderness.

But my guess is that humanity will not die in an instant. Like a cancer, it will grow in places and cause alarm to the whole. The affected parts may never be the same again but maybe the rest will learn if they do the right things in response to the warnings. But the people who are entrenched in selfishness, either through blindness or lack of the right education, will need to die off or they will continue to carry the disease.

[BeHereNow]

53. "...until the chaos they create consumes them."

Perfect summarization.

Now and then, I take a short cut through a local mall to get to a
used book store I like to visit.

The people grazing in the mall seem SO disconnected from the
big picture. That their fellow citizens are dying in far away countries for
no discernible reason, that cataclysmic events are happening in this country.

They don't read, they don't care to know anything other than
where to find the latest knock off sweater as worn by some celebrity
pop culture icon.

They don't know who their congressmen are, or their senators.
But they know where to buy the latest bling from China.

They will not survive when they are rudely shaken from their
collective delusion, and that day draws closer each passing hour.

And you are right, they need to die off so that the disease doesn't spread.

BHN

[dixiegrrrrl]

59. Problem is, those lemmings are dragging all of us over the cliff.

I really have a resentment about that.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

21. Damn.

I would much rather be mocked for my Leviathan comments than have any of this story be true...

:hangover:

[G_j]

32. I hope and pray it's not

I didn't mean to be sensationalist by posting the article, but I have seen the possibility of oil leaking from the sea floor discussed elsewhere.
This scared the crap out of me.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

23. Well they certainly have for the inhabitants of the ocean -fish, fowl, botanic,amphibian, mammal

and for any humans that rely on the Gulf for habitat or employment.

Why are the animal shots always so affecting? Because they are innocent victims. Floating, flying, swimming and then one day, bam! covered in the physical deadly goop of man's wretched greed and negligence.

It spews and spews. The idiot Captain of Industry of BP tries to make it sound negligible and that the water will absorb it and that there's always Thai shrimp. How extremely pathetic. Our President is relying on the people who created the chaos through negligence and greed to craft the response. I question the wisdom of that.

Lately, I keep thinking of the novel by Nevil Shute "On the Beach". In that book, people wait and try to lead a seemingly normal life in the last inhabited place on Earth before a nuclear cloud engulfs them. That's how I imagine it must be in Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida right now. And of course, we have no idea how far in the end the slicks and plumes and tarballs will travel.

I also keep thinking about Mars and how it once had seas and an atmosphere.

:cry::cry:
:cry:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

26. "On The Beach"

Entirely apropos. I always enjoy your writing and insight.

:thumbsup:

[demwing]

54. I don't want to diminish the importance of the leaking oil

but I live in Florida, on the Gulf coast, and I swim in the water every day. I have not yet seen, nor smelled anything unusual in the water. It may not stay that way long, and it is certainly not that way in other states. But Florida is a mighty big place, and our state has not yet been reduced to a group of survivors, morosely awaiting death.

not yet...

[Kalyke]

75. I live in Tennessee and at 2 a.m. I can smell the damn dispersant.

How can you not smell that shit?

I realize I have a sensitive smeller, but, shit, my husband, who can't smell anything beyond a steak burger could smell that crap.

[Kablooie]

24. Everyone seems to limit their comment to "the gulf is dead"...

but if this goes on for years wouldn't it spread throughout the whole ocean system?

[CoffeeCat]

28. This is what I wonder...

...and I haven't seen an answer to it yet.

[keepCAblue]

36. Yes, of course. This could impact all oceans.

If the oil flow continues unabated at its present volume, it is just a matter of time before the oil spreads throughout the Atlantic and beyond. It has already reached Florida...

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[Mimosa]

25. K&R

An excellent article. Are we seeing the Apocalypse unfold? *shudder*

[Chulanowa]

29. "Apocalypse" is simply another word for "revelation"

And it's been revealed to us that you should not fucking do something, if you have no plan B.

[earth mom]

30. OMFG.

:cry:

[UndertheOcean]

33. "You see oil is basically inorganic" Stopped reading after this

[demwing]

55. Kept reading, but stopped filing under "Non-Fiction"

and basically just continued to satisfy my morbid curiosity.

Do we really need to make up false claims in order to understand that this blow out is a big fucking deal?

[Jeffersons Ghost]

34. K&R

[defendandprotect]

37. There have long been reports oil coming up from three sources thru ocean floor ---???

[defendandprotect]

39. If oil is the earth's ballast -- which many think it is -- they may be close ....

to creating total disaster -- if not right here and now -- very soon!!

[demwing]

56. "Which many think it is" ...REALLY? Who are the "many" you reference?

I do a quick Google search of "oil, earth's, ballast" and the only solid hit I get is to another quote fron YOU on another DU thread!

[defendandprotect]

61. Me . . . Alice Walker . . . and anyone with common sense . . .

For another, the planet has never been on a stable axis --

And, according to a NY Times article 15-or more years ago now . . .

"The dams and reservoirs which the Army Corps of Engineers built over the prior

50 years -- ARE IMPACTING THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH."

[demwing]

63. None of which has anything to do with my question

And when did Alice Walker (who is certainly a notable FICTION writer) become an authority on geodynamics and geophysics?

Twice you've had the chance to provide a solid quote, and have chosen otherwise. I'd love to read the proof of what you've written, why not just post it?

[defendandprotect]

65. Yes, I'm twice a failure . .. you're right --

bye --



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Changes to Earth's Rotation


Nasa geophysicist Dr. Benjamin Fong Chao found evidence that large dams cause changes to the earth's rotation, because of the shift of water weight from oceans to reservoirs. Because of the number of dams which have been built, the Earth's daily rotation has apparently sped up by eight-millionths of a second since the 1950s. Chao said it is the first time human activity has been shown to have a measurable effect on the Earth's motion.

There are several articles available on the Internet about this topic:


http://www.arch.mcgill.ca/prof/sijpkes/arch374/winter2001/dbiggs/enviro.html



Dams for Water Supply are altering the earth's orbit --

Search ResultsDams for Water Supply Are Altering Earth's Orbit, Expert Says
Dams for Water Supply Are Altering Earth's Orbit, Expert Says ... The shift in the distribution of Earth's water caused by the reservoirs has tended to speed the planet's spin. ...
nytimes.com/1996/03/03/news/...?pagewanted=1?pagewanted=1 - 51k

Environmental Impacts of Dams
In order to make up for the sediments, the downstream water erodes its channels and banks. ... Dams for water supply are altering earth's orbit. Observations on the STS Scene ...
arch.mcgill.ca/.../arch374/winter2001/dbiggs/enviro.html - Cached

Earth (Planet) - Science - The New York Times - Narrowed by ...
Find articles and multimedia about Earth (Planet) from the New York Times. ... Dams for Water Supply Are Altering Earth's Orbit, Expert Says. By MALCOLM W. BROWNE ...
topics.nytimes.com/topics/.../topics/earth_planet/index.html - 54k - Cached

[demwing]

66. STILL nothing about oil?

just never mind, I guess your lack of an answer IS the answer

[dionysus]

70. reservoirs.. impacting the rotation.. of the earth. okay, that kind of woo has blown any credibility

you may or may not have ever had.

:rofl:

[Warren DeMontague]

73. You also think the moon landings were a hoax.

I think you need to do a little full disclosure before going on about what you consider "common sense".

[comrade snarky]

43. Usually it's creationists who use the "Oil isn't a fossil fuel" canard

They need it to bolster the whole young earth stupidity.

"You see oil is basically inorganic. It is not made from dead squashed plankton. It is not a fossil fuel. It is an inorganic chemical compound reduced from calcareous sediments and carbon dioxide and methane gas."

So, we should all just accept this because continental drift was ridiculed when first proposed but then gradually came into acceptance over 30 years? Ummm... No. Sorry, that's not the way things work.

Because one theory that seemed crazy gained acceptance when evidence for it piled up and other disciplines corroborated the hypothesis doesn't mean that every other crazy theory gets to be treated as "The Truth". There are lots of crazy theories out there and damn few of them will turn out to be anything but some serious crazy. The Wright brothers were called crazy but, so were a lot of crazy people.

If Oil is so easy to make in the crust, show it in the lab. Duplicate the process and then you'll have something.

Also, think about the ramifications of this guys work, if oil isn't a fossil fuel and it's being made in the earth in quantities sufficient to pump this gusher in the gulf without end, why do we need to conserve? Peak oil is a lie. There's no reason to build an new energy infrastructure because the supply of oil is endless! All we have to do is find these spots where oil flows forever and suck it down. Big stupid SUVs for everyone here and in China!

Unless this guy is a crank.

[fascisthunter]

44. I wonder if BP's folks are fundies?

just curious....

[lurky]

45. This is not based on accepted science.

This is kind of like global warming: I don't know enough to refute it, but most geologists don't agree with his ideas about where oil comes from. It sounds like there is a small minority of legitimate scientists who believe it, though. That would be a really crappy way for us to go out, huh?

Here is the wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum#Formation

BTW, how oil is "inorganic" is beyond me. That statement kind of blows this guy's credibility for me.

[comrade snarky]

46. It does have a little carbon in it doesn't it?

Kinda, technically organic then. I think he means it isn't biotic but still, yeah, credibility gone.

[lurky]

60. Real science guys are fussy about terminology.

They don't usually mix these things up, especially in writing, especially when the article centers on the chemistry of crude oil. It would probably win him an instant rejection from any academic science journal.

[Catherina]

50. It's only a theory that oil is organic. Many geologists believe it's abiotic

I spoke with scientists who told me both theories are correct because there are two different kinds of oil. We have no business down there.

Here's an article in GeoTimes

Petroleum geology
Inorganic origin of oil: Much ado about nothing?

Geoscientists are cringing as news reports dredge up what they have long considered a preposterous assertion about the origin of oil: that none of the fossil fuels found on this planet come from fossils. The idea, heavily debated in Russia during the 1950s and 1960s, holds that the world’s oil is not made of decomposed biological organisms; rather, it forms inorganically at near-mantle depths then migrates up to the crust.

The newest incarnation comes from J.F. Kenney, a self-proclaimed oil and gas driller from Houston who worked with three Russian scientists, including Vladimir Kutcherov of the Russian State University of Oil and Gas. Their paper on inorganic hydrocarbon formation, published in the Aug. 20 Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), has generated coverage in Nature, The Economist and New Scientist and led to an interview of Kenney on National Public Radio (NPR). PNAS published the paper at the request of Academy member Howard Reiss, a chemical physicist at the University of California at Los Angeles. As per the PNAS guidelines for members communicating papers, Reiss obtained reviews of the paper from at least two referees from different institutions (not affiliated with the authors) and shepherded the report through revisions.

The paper examined thermodynamic arguments that say methane is the only organic hydrocarbon to exist within Earth’s crust. The report also discussed the hypothesis that high pressures of 25 to 50 kilobar or more are needed for establishing natural petroleum hydrocarbon molecules. The authors also included a description of laboratory experiments in Moscow that created petroleum products from marble, water and iron oxide under 50 kilobar of pressure and 1,500 degree-Celsius temperatures.

But the news stories, Kenney says, are written on the premise that “I have ‘developed a thermodynamic argument that demonstrates that the hydrocarbon molecules of natural petroleum cannot evolve spontaneously at the low pressures and temperatures of the near-surface crust of the Earth.’ Such is absolute nonsense.” To which many geologists would agree. But, Kenney adds, “The fact that the hydrocarbon molecules which comprise natural petroleum cannot evolve spontaneously at the low pressures and temperatures of the near-surface crust of the Earth has been known by competent physicists, chemists and chemical engineers for over a century. In my article, I only reviewed this knowledge briefly, using the efficient formalism of modern thermodynamics.”

Kenney’s slap in the face to the competence of modern geologists is not winning him any converts. Even astrophysicist Thomas Gold of Cornell University, who wrote two books on the subject of inorganic oil on Earth, is surprised by the media’s response. “There is nothing new about any mix of hydrogen and carbon at pressures of 40 kilobar or so, and temperatures of greater than 800 degrees Celsius, forming oil.”

Most commercial drilling occurs in sedimentary rock where source material temperatures range between 75 and 200 degrees Celsius. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Gold spearheaded a project, which he says also involved Kenney, to illustrate the prospects of abiogenic oil and gas by drilling into crystalline rock in Sweden. But the granite did not yield an economically viable result.

....
http://www.geotimes.org/nov02/NN_oil.html

[G_j]

51. that is very helpful

thank you.

[comrade snarky]

52. It's only a theory that germs cause disease

You can still find chiropractors that think disease is caused by pinched nerves.

Don't diss theory. That's as certain as science gets. Only a theory indeed.

[lurky]

62. OK, so that article is not an endorsement of abiotic oil,

it is simply reporting on the resurgence of the idea among a small minority of scientists.

Here is an article from 2004 that gives a nice overview of the whole dust up. The author is pretty methodical about addressing every point. I thought it was definitely worth the read.

The “Abiotic Oil” Controversy
by Richard Heinberg

In recent months a few of the many web sites that challenge the official account of the events of 9/11/2001 have also attacked the idea of peak oil. I would prefer to ignore this controversy—and there are good reasons for doing so, as some of these web sites lack credibility on other counts; nevertheless, as these sites are magnets for large numbers of people who are just beginning to find their way out of the consensus societal trance, they appear to be doing some palpable harm. I have received at least a couple of dozen e-mails from sincere people wanting to know my response to claims that “peak oil” is a scam, and that oil is actually an inexhaustible resource.

So, once and for all, here is my take on the abiotic oil controversy.

The Gist of the Situation

The debate over oil’s origin has been going on since the 19th century. From the start, there were those who contended that oil is primordial—that it dates back to Earth’s origin—or that it is made through an inorganic process, while others argued that it was produced from the decay of living organisms (primarily oceanic plankton) that proliferated millions of years ago during relatively brief periods of global warming and were buried under ocean sediment under fortuitous circumstances.

During the latter half of the 20th century, with advances in geophysics and geochemistry, the vast majority of scientists lined up on the side of the biotic theory. A small group of mostly Russian scientists—but including a tiny handful Western scientists, among them the late Cornell University physicist Thomas Gold—have held out for an abiotic (also called abiogenic or inorganic) theory. While some of the Russians appear to regard Gold as a plagiarist of their ideas, the latter’s book The Deep Hot Biosphere (1998) stirred considerable controversy among the public on the questions of where oil comes from and how much of it there is. Gold argued that hydrocarbons existed at the time of the solar system’s formation, and are known to be abundant on other planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and some of their moons) where no life is presumed to have flourished in the past.

The abiotic theory holds that there must therefore be nearly limitless pools of liquid primordial hydrocarbons at great depths on Earth, pools that slowly replenish the reservoirs that conventional oil drillers tap.

Meanwhile, however, the oil companies have used the biotic theory as the practical basis for their successful exploration efforts over the past few decades. If there are in fact vast untapped deep pools of hydrocarbons refilling the reservoirs that oil producers drill into, it appears to make little difference to actual production, as tens of thousands of oil and gas fields around the world are observed to deplete, and refilling (which is indeed very rarely observed) is not occurring at a commercially significant scale or rate except in one minor and controversial instance discussed below.

...
http://www.energybulletin.net/node/2423

[L0oniX]

49. Time for the MOAB.

[blindpig]

57. Abiotic?

Don't think so....

[Odin2005]

58. Abiotic Oil = TOTAL WOO.

It is BS spewed by crackpots who think Peak Oil is a conspiracy to raise prices.

[Brother Buzz]

67. I concur, but for us old idiots that have no clue what woo means:

Woo-woo (or just plain woo) refers to ideas considered irrational or based on extremely flimsy evidence or that appeal to mysterious occult forces or powers.

Dictionary definition of woo-woo:

adj. concerned with emotions, mysticism, or spiritualism; other than rational or scientific; mysterious; new agey. Also n., a person who has mystical or new age beliefs.

When used by skeptics, woo-woo is a derogatory and dismissive term used to refer to beliefs one considers nonsense or to a person who holds such beliefs.

Sometimes woo-woo is used by skeptics as a synonym for pseudoscience, true-believer, or quackery. But mostly the term is used for its emotive content and is an emotive synonym for such terms as nonsense, irrational, nutter, nut, or crazy.

[WinkyDink]

64. So glad I'm in the NE U.S. This is very scary.

[Warren DeMontague]

71. It could be worse.

Imagine if they unleashed the Kraken.