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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:56 AM
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1904 Cartoon of Standard Oil
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 08:57 AM by uponit7771
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:57 AM
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1. Yes
Always
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 08:58 AM
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2. I think they may have invented some forms of bastardism.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:01 AM
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3. I should point out, people loved the oil back then...
They were classic progressives that opposed Trusts and Monopolies. A signature of classic progressives was their opposition to bussinesses that limited competition. They were very much in favor of small bussiness and individuals, "Wealth of Nations" type stuff.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:12 AM
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4. Hmmm, then it looks like over the years they consilidated and morphed into what they were against
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:15 AM
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6. Anti-trust, anti-monopolies relates directly to oppostion to big bussiness today.
So that part is still there. The ideas "Welath of Nations" absolutly opposed trusts, opposed monopolies and corporations. Smity even advocated for decent wages and government oversight of bussiness.

I'm going through a period where I am trying to udnerstand what the modern progressive movement really is and what it wants. I want to know how it is different from modern liberalism. So I ask questions when I can.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:38 AM
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15. +1000
once upon a time we used to smash monopolies...now we prop them up...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:27 PM
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24. That is so true. And the truth really does hurt. ALL of us.
:(
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:13 AM
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5. Not only that, but most of them (including BP) have some tie
to the original Standard Oil.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:23 AM
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7. The "Trusts" were broken up, for a good reason
but since Raygun they bought themselves enough of Congress to "deregulate" themselves back into the giant squid again.
Did you know that BOA holds most of the housing mortgages now?
Well, doesn't "hold them" since they were all sliced and diced and sold, but it does the collecting for mortgages.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:27 AM
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12. Capital, ya just can't keep an avaricious system down

As long as they've got the money(power), they'll be back...

Kill Capitalism
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:46 AM
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8. updated by a beginner photoshopper...
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:02 AM
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19. Very nice!
Well illustrates what others have pointed out here...we have come full circle.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:20 AM
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9. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:24 AM
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10. Nice art work
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:26 AM
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11. Yes...n/t
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:36 AM
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13. The History Of The Standard Oil Company (by Ida Tarbell)
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:06 AM
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20. Bless you !!!!
Ida Tarbell...how aptly named.
I had forgotten about her.

This guy also was a muckraker against Big Oil, back in the '20's...Upton Sinclair.
..

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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 09:57 PM
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28. "There Will Be Blood" is a movie loosely based on Upton Sinclar's novel "Oil".
I had marked it for ordering a few years` ago but had quite forgotten about it. Thanks for jogging my memory! Here it is on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/There-Will-Blood-Daniel-Day-Lewis/dp/B0013FXWU6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1276224457&sr=1-1
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:26 PM
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21. The Tarbell book is available in pdf form here:
http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924096224799

(Since I dislike Adobe pdf I use the wonderful free Sumatra pdf reader to read and make pdf files.
Fast, non-bloated, free.)
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:24 PM
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22. That's a great site. THANKS!
I've laid out a lot of $$$$$ over the years for e-books, and with no regrets. I'm also a Questia subscriber. But I'm finding that a lot of valuable books are available on-line and FREE! In some cases, that's the ONLY way to access them.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:25 PM
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25. If you google free e books/free online books
wonderful things show up.
I have a list of about a dozen sites I use.
Gutenberg is great, btw,...Project Gutenberg is the place where you can download over 30,000 free ebooks to read.
And, copying them in Sumatra makes saving them so much faster, easier to read.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:09 PM
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26. I'm familiar with some of those sites, but not the one now under disussion.
Thanks for that Sunatra tip, as I had never heard of it till now. Here's the Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumatra_PDF
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:36 AM
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14. Of course
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:39 AM
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16. see oil companies are friends with the underwater wild life
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:42 AM
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17. No, sometimes they were assholes.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:57 AM
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18. Read Ludwell Denny's "We Fight for Oil"
A while back, I posted a link to a site that had this book in its entirety online. It has since disappeared; but you may be able to find a used copy somewhere.

It was written around 1930, and offers some interesting facts about the oil industry of pre-WWII.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:25 PM
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23. Yes, look at the Teapot Dome Scandal and all that.
They have always been total assholes.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:11 PM
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27. Tea Pot Dome
that will put that cartoon in ... context.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:10 PM
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29. There's something about seeing cash come out of the ground that changes a person.
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 10:38 PM
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30. CD cover art, 2008...


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Artist: GERMS (Jaime Zacarias) http://www.Germs4u.com

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