WHOEVER wins a Democratic Primary Gets Support in November

[BrentWil]

Fight the fight for whoever you want. However, a primary is where we fight it. When it comes to November, it is time to unite behind whoever wins because the alternative will be magnitudes worse. Agree?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Absolutely.

I will not be giving any money to Jane Harmon. She has plenty.

However, I will not vote for whoever her Republican opponent is.

[northoftheborder]

7. Did Harmon win her primary?

And by how much?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

14. She did. I think this article will answer your question:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2010/06/rep-harman-jumps-to-an-early-lead-over-challenger-winograd-in-venicesouth-bay-district.html

[xchrom]

2. No. Nt

[stray cat]

5. I'm sure glad I helped elect Bush and Cheney as I didn't care for Gore and didn't vote

glad to hear so many progressives would gladly do the same thing :sarcasm:

[Lost4words]

12. it wasn't our votes it was the SCOTUS that put bush in

and diebold voting machines, etc, etc etc, where were you! I supported Gore and truly believed that he would have been better pres than stick-a-dick NAFTA clinton!

But supporting a party that doesn't support the nations people wont get a reward from me, fuck them. At least with a puke screwing things up in the WH maybe soft middle road dems like yourself will finally get off your ass and take the streets.

[derby378]

48. +Googol (n/t)

[RainDog]

34. it's too bad you don't spend as much time pissing on Republicans as you do liberals

but it sort of indicates who you hate more, I guess.

[Lost4words]

52. posted in wrong place sorry!

[Kalyke]

3. Nope.

Not when the Democrat is the other side of the same Republican coin.

Not that I'll have a chance to vote for a Democrat in my state.

[BrentWil]

4. Say hello to Speaker Boehner and Majority Leader Mcconnell NT

[Lost4words]

17. I would rather be screwed by my enemy than those whom I placed

in high regard, who I believed would work for the people rather than the power elite. I can deal with my enemies better than I can deal with betrayal by those I trusted and supported and had faith in.

[Donnachaidh]

20. this fearmongering meme is so old it has hair on it.

Get something new fer chrissakes.... :eyes:

[Lost4words]

6. nadda, no nope,

[Toots]

8. I truly doubt it is going to workout that way.

I think many "Liberals" are getting totally turned off to the type of politics that exist.. It is becoming extremely apparent we will not be able to make any changes so why bother? Unless there is a candidate that truly shares our views there is no point.. Voting for Blanche Lincoln is the exact same thing as voting for a Republican...She sided with the Republicans way more often than she did with the Democrats..I for one have had it.. I will not be voting except in local matters. I feel I have been betrayed for the very last time..

[dmallind]

11. She sided with the Republicans way more often than she did with the Democrats..

And of course I know you'd only make that claim if you had the data that shows her voting record proving you correct......

[sinkingfeeling]

19. I'm sorry to tell you, but you're dead wrong. I've had Blanche as my Senator since her first term

and I've had her opponent, John Boozman as my Congressman. As pissed off at Lincoln as I am, I know what John Boozman represents and have exchanged heated letters with him. He will stand against any single, tiny thing that this administration would do, no matter who it would help. He is all for Big Business not being taxed at all and totally unregulated. He will vote to shred Social Security and Medicare. He will insist that the rich be taxed even less than they currently are.

I voted for Bill Halter in May and in the run-off. I will vote for Lincoln come Nov. and actually do everything in my power to keep Boozman out of office.

[Lost4words]

54. I can honestly say I wont vote for Blanche!!!

'cause I live in another state!

I have voted many times holding my nose and will most likely do so again.

:party:

[Duke Newcombe]

9. Partially agree.

For example, a Blanche Lincoln or a Bill Nelson will receive my vote if they survived a primary, but not a dime of money. Also, they are not "magnitudes" better than the alternative--most of the time they are only fractions better than the alternative.

Shellacing a turd still leaves you with a turd.

[Duke Newcombe]

10. Partially agree.

For example, a Blanche Lincoln or a Bill Nelson will receive my vote if they survived a primary, but not a dime of money. Also, they are not "magnitudes" better than the alternative--most of the time they are only fractions better than the alternative.

Shellacing a turd still leaves you with a turd.

[NorthCarolina]

13. If I wouldn't support a Republican, and I wouldn't, why in the world would I

support a DLC New Dem? There isn't a spit of difference between the GOP and the DLC.

[WeDidIt]

22. Because a DLC New Dem adds one member of the legislative body on the Dem side

and without the numbers in the Democratic caucus nobody will even consider progressive causes, much less get a chance to advance them.

Sad, but true. If you pout and withhold your vote, you are actually supporting the conservative movement.

[NorthCarolina]

24. If I vote for a DLC New Dem, I would also be supporting the conservative movement

so your argument carry's no water.

[WeDidIt]

25. Bullshit

What you call "DLC New Dems" are still left of center in the United States. They just aren't far enough left for your tastes so you'll pout and end up supporting a conservative and end up being a rightwinger yourself.

[NorthCarolina]

32. Referring to DLC New Dems as "Left of Center" is somewhat of a joke in itself

You want to call it "pouting", when in fact it is simply voting my principles. I always thought that was how Democracy was supposed to work. If you want to keep empowering the Conservatives simply because they have a "D" after their name then that's your choice, but it's certainly not mine.

[joeybee12]

38. Agreed...I will democratic when there is a democratic candidate, not a

Republican in sheep's clothing.

[Lost4words]

55. Bravo!! Spot oN! nt

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[NorthCarolina]

33. I think they got a message from AK alright.

They had to resort to voting shenanigans, closing polls in areas leaning heavily for Halter, to ensure a victory for their conservative candidate, and even with that the DLC managed to only pull out a 51% margin. Oh yes, I think they received a message alright.

[SocialistLez]

35. AR. =]

[NorthCarolina]

58. AR...right, my bad

:+

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. You say that as if there was anyone considering progressive causes today.

It does no good for progressives to support non-progressives of EITHER party. At least if the anti-progressive elected belongs to the other party, the party can line up to fight against him instead of having to give him money and support.

[WeDidIt]

15. 100% in agreement.

Congress is a numbers game and even a Democrat who is right of center is better than a Republican who is left of center because without the numbers, progressive causes don't even get out of the basement of Congress.

Yeah, that's right, the BASEMENT OF CONGRESS.

How many other DUers remember when Democrats held hearings in the basement and nobody covered them?

[JoePhilly]

16. I have not found a Republican that I preferred over a Dem in the last 10 years.

[KharmaTrain]

18. Leave The Purity Tests To The Rushpublicans...

I agree that the primaries are the time to handle inner party business. The party members get their say and even if I may not like the choices, I do respect the voters and the process.

This election is critical since if the GOOP retakes control of either house it will destroy what little progress has been made and could recreate the stagnant and dysfunctional days of Gingrich...not to mention the endless investigations and witch hunts. It can't be understated that letting rushpublicans back into any form of power will make many of our current problems a lot worse in a hurry.

Change in such a large country is always a work in progress...and this election can be a milestone where Democrats held their ground and this can provide the base to move more and better progressive legislation. If Democrats can remain in control come November then we'll be discussing and debating climate change, immigration reform and more financial and corporate reform. If the rushpublicans win, it'll be a national SB1070, more tax breaks to the rich and billions to corporate welfare.

[TheKentuckian]

30. They'll be "discussing" turning our schools over to corporate "stakeholders", cutting Social Securit

national ID cards, union busting, curtailing civil liberties, "clean coal", more nukes, allowing industry to run amok, and big military spending.

They apparently will not be discussing a national work program, serious financial regulation, a real health care reform effort, extending unemployment, investing in our crumbling infrastructure, shutting down toxic "free trade" agreements, controlling corporate agriculture, or renewable energy in more than a lip service sort of way.

I'll be voting Democrat this fall because Yarmouth deserves my support and Paul seems gawdawful even as a replacement for Dumbing.

Still, things are going very much in the wrong direction for working and poor folks and our interests are taking a backseat on the best of days. At some point that abandonment of those the party is supposed to stand up for must be met with punishment rather than backhanded acceptance. It is coming to a head, not being Republicans is wearing very thin as is catering to the economic royalists.

I doubt even threats of Sayruh will motivate me to cast a vote for Obama again. There might be more than a dime's worth of difference but this party ain't hardly worth a damn quarter. They don't give a shit about regular people or leaving a better country than we were given.

[derby378]

50. Purity test? What makes a Democrat a Democrat?

Last I heard, we were the party of labor, as opposed to the party of Big Business. Gotta stand for something.

[KharmaTrain]

57. Big Tents Don't Conform Easily

That's the downside of being a majority national party. The issues important to Democrats in the west are different than those in the eastern cities is different for blacks is different for hispanics and so on. There are some core principals we all agree on, but the priorities are another story. Many times we're seeing these interests rub up on each other...for example with labor in right to work states where the jobs mean more than the unions (the power of Walmart in Arkansas). In Michigan and Ohio, you better believe the Democrats are the party of labor, but it's a different picture in southern and western states.

Regarding big business...as long as the average House seat costs at least $1 million every two years the big rollers are going to have a lot of influence. The mindset in the beltway is money first, votes later. No bucks, no buck voters.

The problems begin when you start trying to define "who is a Democrat". We're seeing how well this is working out for the "conservatives" whose purity games helped lead this country into the messes we're in now and is currently tearing that party apart.

[HughMoran]

21. That's why this site exists

I wouldn't be here if I wanted to undercut Democrats.

[ReverendDeuce]

23. Disagree. I am totally disinterested in this anymore.

Obama double-crossed us all, IMO.

[BrentWil]

26. He is doing his best...

I hate to say it, but if he made you happy his approval ratings would be around 20 percent. You got to work in the real world and move it slowly.

[The Hitman]

27. It's a 2 party system

If you think you want to go back to 2001-08, then you must be suffering serious memory loss.

[HughMoran]

37. Deuce or...

:eyes:

[SocialistLez]

28. I'll be voting Green in November if they win ballot access in AR.

I refuse to support right-wingers and Blanche Lincoln is a right-winger.

Don't let the D by her name fool you.

[BrentWil]

39. Majority Leader Mitch Mcconell sends his thanks

[joeybee12]

31. Pretty anyone who wins a primary deserves support...however, not Blanche Lincoln...

...she's going down and deserves to.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. If I agree with them on the issues.

If not, there are other choices and a write-in option.

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[Catherina]

42. No

I'm done with the party fighting the people during the primaries and then expecting the people to come to its rescue during the General. My party loyalty is over. From now on I'm voting for the best candidate out there regardless of party. I'm done bending over and pretending to like it.

[Coyote_Bandit]

43. And the corollary to that is

The desires and choices of the people of any state or district trump those of outside interests - including other party factions.

Fucking carpetbaggers need to mind their own damn backyards instead of trying to tend to mine.

[Individualist]

44. Oh goody, a loyalty oath thread.

:eyes:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. And, the ones who post them call the Left "Purists" without seeing the irony.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

47. From a noob no less --

Methinks we are witnessing a resurrection. :eyes:

[frustrated_lefty]

46. No they don't. Get over it.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

49. No.

Sorry, I don't do that anymore. The best candidate gets my vote -- more often that is a Dem, but sometimes it isn't.

[mzmolly]

51. I agree, but many here will not.

At least not until push comes to shove. :hi:

[VMI Dem]

53. Not doing that shit any more.

If they don't meet my standard, they don't get a vote.

[montanto]

56. Blind faith? willful ignorance? No thanks. eom

[LWolf]

59. No. nt