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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:10 AM
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California - Corporate Sponsored Propositions 16 and 17 Are Leading In Early Returns - Wake Up!
Proposition 16, which was sponsored by PG&E, and is designed to stifle competition, and Proposition 17, which was sponsored by Mercury Insurance, are leading in early returns. What does this mean? This is the first time that companies essentially drew up and spent millions of dollars to get a statewide proposition passed in California. It is a brand new day where Democracy is used to oppress the public, as only corporations that are unfettered as a result of the Citizens United decision, are able to use their direct advertising dollars and their influence over the corporate media to dictate our policy choices.

The corporate media drives the narrative and tells us what to think. Heck, on DU, I often posters repeating the corporate media narratives albeit with liberal sounding language. We blame Democrats. We blame Obama. We give Republicans a free pass, because it is okay for them to lie and be hypocritical.

The gulf oil disaster is the best example of this. Many DUers totally bought into the corporate media narrative painting Bobby Jindal as a hero. We bought into stories about "Build the Berms Now!" even though the local Audobon Society expressed concern about berm plans being rushed through. Likewise, Jindal's sponsorship of the Deep Ocean Energy Resources or DOER Act of 2006, which lifted the moratorium on deep water drilling, has been largely ignored as has the fact that the oil industry has directed over 70 percent of its contributions to the Republican party. We also ignore David Vitter, a Lousiana Senator, fighting mightily to oppose efforts to lift the cap on oil industry liability! We ignore Haley Barbour dismissing the oil spill as mere motorboat sheen!

So, will we be bamboozled? Will we buy into the corporate media narrative simply because it is repackaged in liberal sounding rhetoric? Will we continue to give Republicans an ongoing free pass?

It is fashionable to attack virtually any reform effort as not being progressive enough, and to mimimize and disparage the heroic efforts of Democrats to overcome Republican efforts to stall any action and bring the nation to its knees. The Republicans would rather see Obama fail, than for the U.S. to succeed.

The point of my post is to put our views and our criticisms in perspective. Sadly, not everyone is liberal. Most everyone buys into the corporate media narrative that censors out progressive viewpoints, and leads people to vote against their own economic interests as is the case with Proposition 16 and 17.

We need to stop hoping and praying for legislative Hail Mary's where Democrats will (hopefully) pass some bill that is sufficiently progressive while we oppose (along with right wingers) all efforts at reform because they are not sufficiently liberal enough. We need to focus on advocacy over opposition.

On DADT, we need to push for the repeal, rather than oppose congressional efforts to set in motion a process to repeal DADT on the ground that the repeal of DADT is not handling immediately.

On health care reform, we need to advocate for additional efforts to improve health care, rather than stand by and allow Republicans complaints about socialized medicine to go unchallenged.

On energy, we need to demand a comprehensive energy bill, and push for stronger efforts to transition to alternative energy sources, rather than sit by quietly as Republicans criticize the President publicly while quietly opposing efforts to lift the liability cap on oil companies.

We need to advocate with our fellow Americans for progressive ideas, rather than sit back and embrace apathy as means of protest. Inaction does not translate into victory. Inaction is just another word for irrelevance.

Meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina, Proposition 16 and 17 all herald a new era of corporate Democracy where wealthy individuals and corporations can buy ads and favorable coverage. We cannot wait to be saved. We need to organize and overcome.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:28 AM
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1. K&R

Excellent OP and it needed to be said. Hope this thread won't get moved to the California forum because these issues are indicative of the general trend, and not specific to California politics.

It does look like we're entering "a new era of corporate Democracy" - to the point that it is no longer a real democracy but rather a corporacracy... and it looks like it's going to get only worse and worse.

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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:51 AM
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2. K&R
Still hoping both props won't pass... dems did not get out and vote in CA...
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:56 AM
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3. We got screwed big time with the props
From the looks of the early results it look like we lost on every prop. 14, 16, and 17 are going to pass while 15 and 13 aren't. Horrible news.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:05 AM
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5. We need a proposition to end all propositions
Most people hate them. I'm sure it would pass.
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:12 AM
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7. They are undemocratic
We elect representatives to make these decisions for us and it doesn't help that these things are impossible to understand without someone telling you what they actually do. Prop 14 especially is bullshit, I guarantee you like 1% of the people voting for it actually understand what it will do.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:13 AM
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8. Amen to that; oh, hell, yes. nt
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:01 AM
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4. what the fug CA? sigh nt
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:12 AM
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6. 16 is now going down...
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/props/59.htm

16 losing narrowly (50.6% to 49.4%)

and 15 seems to be narrowing the margin a bit now (56% to 44%)
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:18 AM
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9. Just got these now on #16:
Proposition - 16-Public Electricity - Ballot Issue
June 09, 2010 - 02:10AM ET
California - 8080 of 22896 Precincts Reporting - 35%
Name Votes Vote %
No 1,104,830 51%
Yes 1,080,909 49%


There may be hope yet.

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:22 AM
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10. It's ahead in LA County. WTF?? eom
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:23 AM
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11. Probably the conservative rural parts of Los Angeles. The other ones probably to be counted...
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 01:23 AM by cascadiance
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winstars Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:28 AM
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12. Check The SF Returns!!!
At 35%, our SF brothers and sisters have overwhelmingly voted the progressive way. Meanwhile, LA is narrowly trending (sounding a little Nate-like there, cool) the wrong way!!! And look at San Diego so far, of course they are voting big time the scum way. I won't bother to even look at the OC, I can only imagine...
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:57 AM
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13. Current results on Prop 16:
No 16 Local Electricity Providers 1,246,661 49.1% 1,292,132 50.9%
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:13 AM
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14. Prop #16 now:
No 16 Local Electricity Providers 1,255,101 49.1% 1,299,680 50.9%
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:23 AM
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15. Prop 16 No's gaining ground! Yes - 48.8%, No - 51.2%

And prop 17 is less than 3000 votes now from being voted down... Yes - 50.1%, No - 49.9%
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:26 AM
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16. Prop 17 now going DOWN!!! Yes - 49.9% , No - 50.1%
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winstars Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:00 AM
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17. Look at who is left!!!

Pug counties like OC and San Diego are only have reported, they are trending the wrong way big time!!!! FUCK
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:16 AM
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18. San Fran, Alameda, Frezno (of all places) still are only at about 67% reporting
And 16 is losing by huge margins in those - there is still hope
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:22 AM
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19. Both losing, and trending no with 69.3% reporting
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 03:24 AM by FreeState
No - 16 Local Electricity Providers 1,498,043 48.0% (yes) 1,622,651 52.0% (no)

No - 17 Auto Insurance Pricing 1,530,312 48.9% (yes) 1,597,215 51.1% (no)

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/props/59.htm
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:40 AM
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20. 74.7% reporting, looking good no continues to gain
No 16 Local Electricity Providers 1,555,599 47.8% 1,694,032 52.2%
No 17 Auto Insurance Pricing 1,584,927 48.6% 1,672,336 51.4%
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:42 AM
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21. Just wishing 15 had a shot at winning! America, not just California needed that to pass!
We need to get corporate money out of elections! And the Supreme Court just ruled against Arizona's clean elections system today too damnit!
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:45 AM
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22. Me too, but I never saw an ad on TV or mailing - did they even run a campaign? N/T
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 03:46 AM by FreeState
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:48 AM
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23. Not a corporate sponsored bill = NO ads!!!
Edited on Wed Jun-09-10 03:49 AM by cascadiance
That's just the way it goes! Corporations know that this prop is the biggest threat to their control over our elections! They won't touch it! The only grass roots prop is going to fail! That's just a testament as to WHY it's needed so much!
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oldlib Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:53 AM
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24. My experience
with propositions in California, is that the ones that pass with popular right wing support, will not always pass the constitutional muster. There are exceptions of course, as prop 13 has demonstrated.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:56 AM
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25. Looks like prop 13 passed again tonite!
;(
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:03 AM
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26. 78.5%: 16 NO 52.4%, 17 NO 51.7% n/t
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