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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:00 PM
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Costner machine clogs during test; scientist says it won't help
http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20100608/FEATURES12/100609420?Title=Costner-machine-clogs-during-test-scientist-says-it-won-t-help

Published: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 at 6:45 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 at 6:45 a.m.

HOUMA — Kevin Costner's vaunted oil-spill-cleanup machine clogged when it was tried in a Louisiana marsh, but BP is tweaking it for another try, CBS news reports.

Following the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill, the actor-director helped fund a group of scientists developing a device to aid in oil cleanups. The Ocean Therapy machine uses centrifugal force to separate clumps of oil from water. BP has approved a test of 26 of the devices in the Gulf.

At least one scientist, however, says the machine won't help.

Michio Kaku, physics professor at City University of New York and host of “Sci-Fi Science” on the Science Channel, said the physics of the Ocean Therapy machines would separate the water from the oil, but at the rate of 200 gallons a minute, it's too little, too late.

“The oil slick is as big as the state of Connecticut,” Kaku is quoted as saying last week. “You need hundreds, hundreds of these ships with these machines to begin to pump the water and separate it. We have to get real, and that is the slick is gargantuan in size, and 26 or so machines just don't cut it.”
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:01 PM
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1. guess he'll have to return to acting for this paycheck
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:04 PM
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4. At least he tried to help.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:10 PM
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7. That he did. So is James Cameron, producer of Avatar
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:36 PM
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20. It's not over till it is over..there are other spills being seen, you are talking mass extinction.
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 09:37 PM by wroberts189
on edit...

They may still be called in...once this gets a lot worse.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:51 AM
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31. Sounds so much better than "Jame Cameron, director of Piranha Part Two: The Spawning" n/t
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:34 PM
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19. +1
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:03 PM
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2. It's not made for a marsh
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 08:04 PM by texastoast
Put it in the open water, you idiots.

And tweak it--you are going to get not just yer light sweet crude.

Fuck, don't make me come down there.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:03 PM
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3. I disagree with the notion there has to be any one fix.
I say if something works, use it. And that goes for EVERYTHING that works.


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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:18 PM
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10. There's a lot of that mindset going around
For instance - "Which energy source will we rely on to transition away from oil?", when a mix of many different sources and a healthy dose of conservation and change in lifestyles is rarely one of the answers discussed.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:37 PM
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15. Stop talking sense....really. There's gonna be one magic band-aid for
everything!!!
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BanTheGOP Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:06 PM
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5. We need a MORATORIUM on ALL oil-related industrial products
Virtually EVERY company associated with the oil industry can be tied to Halliburton, and Dick Cheney. Just audit the sub-contractors. Costner can be tied to the Louisiana republican cabal, which is tied to Cheney and Halliburton.

I personally am going to boycott all Costner's work until he divests himself of the company and ensures that no profit has been generated.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:08 PM
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6. Please provide proof of the said relationship of Costner and LA Rethug Cabal.
Please. Pretty please.
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BanTheGOP Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:57 PM
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24. No link necessary
Costner=Oil profits
Oil Profits=Republican Party goal
Republican Party controls Louisiana politics

ergo, connection made. No need for links.

In addition, the administration ensured that Costner couldn't deploy his toy oil swab thingees until a proper investigation was made on the devastating environmental impact made by the devices passed muster. They never gave permission. So the inference of my statement is proven.

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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:22 PM
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11. Yeah, he spent all of those tens of millions because his motive is oil company profit
no motivation for starting the company because of Valdez.

Well played. I am sure some will follow you off the cliff.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:11 PM
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8. I'm hoping there is oversight seeing how BP is doing the tweaking. Hopefully
Costner is watching with an eagle eye, too.

Kaku is probably correct.

The oil industry or the EPA should have been investigating potential cleanup machines, like Costner's, since Ixtoc. Out of sight, I guess. :shrug:

Please, let this be a wake up call!
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:18 PM
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9. Did they try on the slick or the plumes?
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 08:18 PM by Ruby the Liberal
This wasn't designed for marshes, I don't believe.
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nenagh Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:26 PM
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12. Wonder if the dispersant acting like detergent ..
and suspending oil droplets into the water, reduces the efficiency of Kevin Costner's centrifuge machines...

They probably tested the machines using straight oil and water...
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:51 PM
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22. Good point
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 10:24 PM
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23. I wouldn't think so
A centrifuge should be able to separate the two, much like blood being separated. I would guess it's just the huge volume.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:27 PM
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13. I could have told you that. That thing is tiny but

That's no reason not to deploy thousands of them along the marshes.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:47 PM
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33. Almost a quarter million gallons a day is not that tiny
It has no place in a marsh--too much biological stuff to get in the way of the centrifuge concept and clogging up the filters. Hay is much better in a marshy environment.

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jp11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:34 PM
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14. It won't clean it all but it is better than nothing and BP is paying for them so
put some kind of filter/strainer on it so it doesn't suck up whatever clogged it.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 08:45 PM
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16. Kaku
is a media whore. I've seen him so many times on just any science show or documentary that I begin to wonder in which field he specializes. When I see him being interviewed, I feel like there is less credibility to that show.

Instead of being so negative about Costner's machines, why not come up with a solution of your own? At least he had SOMETHING to work with, and even more than that, there were quite a number of them available. Costner LEARNED from prior mistakes in the world, not like these assholes who own or are CEOs of oil companies.

Awhile back, I wrote that we increase the wealth of Saudis and almost all the countries where the 9/11 terrorists came from, because we can't get rid of our dependence on oil. If we don't find a way to move on, we're going to be having a ghost town on all the highways of our countries, as the final fumes from gas come from now silenced machines, and we are left in the wake of a world filled with smoke, smog and rich arab overseers.

So if Kaku wants to criticize Costner's offering, let him come up with something else.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:12 PM
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28. Yes!
Edited on Tue Jun-08-10 11:18 PM by girl gone mad
I would have unrecced this if I'd seen that the "scientists" they quoted was Kaku.

eta: He's a physicist and he made a name for himself popularizing the notion that string theory was the ultimate unification theory. If anyone with any sense ever thought that then, they certainly don't think it now.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:01 PM
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17. "BP has approved"
So BP is in fact calling the shots. Still.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:33 PM
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18. "it's too little, too late."? Start building them and improve them.


What happens next time a rig goes?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:02 PM
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26. +1
PB
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 09:47 PM
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21. Too little to late my ass, make more faster, anything that helps is better than what I keep seeing
blowing out of the sea bed. Evil gushing fucking killer. Don't forget improvement on the device. Now where are all the skimmers?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:02 PM
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25. Totally. n/t
PB
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:08 PM
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27. Simply put: Fuck that noise. 200 gallons a minute * 26 is still better than fucking nothing, y'all!
Jesus, who is the Kaku jackass? Does he have some better idea. I mean, if we have a goddamned machine which can clean 200 gallons a minute, this Michio Kaku needs to shut his fucking mouth about how Costner's machine "don't cut it" unless he's got a machine that can clean 300 gallons per minute.

Sheesh. I thought this kind of fatalist bitching was relegated to the internets.

Pony up, bitch. You're a physics professor. Show us some of your superior magiks!

PB
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:15 PM
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29. Exactly , cancel those bullshit dividend payments and build a few thousand of these machines. nt
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 11:23 PM
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30. Wow, who could have seen that coming?...nt
Sid
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 11:52 AM
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32. No one could have foreseen that this was a PR stunt.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:50 PM
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34. Kinda late
Waterworld was 15 years ago.
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