Obama says: Gulf Coast will 'bounce back' from oil spill"

[dixiegrrrrl]

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama sought to reassure Americans on Monday that the Gulf Coast would "bounce back" from the worst oil spill in the nation's history, but not without time, effort and reimbursement from BP.

Surrounded by Cabinet members, Obama said that not only is he confident that the crisis will pass but also that the affected area "comes back even stronger than ever."

(dunno about you, but I don't envision "bouncing back". More like a slow long slog)

Meanwhile, Allen again apologizes, in same article, for BP:

"Allen acknowledged at Monday's White House briefing that the company has struggled with handling claims.

He said we'd "like them to get better" at processing the claims and that a system for paying them should be "routinized" as soon as possible."

More:http://blog.al.com/live/2010/06/gulf_coast_will_bounce_back_fr.html

[polichick]

1. That's "reassuring"???? How about wise leadership on energy/climate...

...without all the crap about offshore drilling, "clean" coal and nuclear?

WAKE UP Mr. President - before you too are a wholly-owned subsidiary of corporate America.

[jaxx]

40. I thought he was supposed to emote.

[polichick]

43. I don't give a shit about emoting - I want him to LEAD WITH WISDOM. nt

[jaxx]

47. Looks wise to me.

Wisdom looks to the future, not everything happens today.

[Walk away]

53. +1

[RaleighNCDUer]

80. Today IS the future.

What's he waiting for?

[polichick]

96. What looks wise? He's still talking about offshore drilling being an integral...

...part of our new energy plan - not to mention "clean" coal (as if that exists) and more nuclear (guess he's forgotten Three Mile Island).

[tiptoe]

113. Option 1: Pom Poms and a "Go-o-o-o BP!" orrr Option 2: Title 33, Section 1321

TITLE 33 > CHAPTER 26 > SUBCHAPTER III > § 1321
§ 1321. Oil and hazardous substance liability>

[closeupready]

2. Oh, God.

:eyes:

[saracat]

3. How? Not in our lifetimes.

[Spheric]

61. We will all just click our heels together and we'll be back in Kansas. /nt

[NotThisTime]

86. Likely in a hundred years or never

[Whisp]

138. I WANT IT NOWWWWWWWWW!

I want clean air, free energy and I'll get back to you with a longer list...!

Obama has put in a lot of funds into green energy and research. Where were some of you guys when he announced this stuff.
Things are happening but surely you can't expect being able to buy a cheap green car in that little time...

oiy, so depressing here sometimes with the misinformation or the lack of desire to actually READ some stuff before you complain.

[amborin]

127. +100 who does Obama think he's fooling? this catastrophic damage will linger for decades, at minimu

[ComtesseDeSpair]

4. What about the pelican population?

Or the jellyfish, fish, sea turtle, plovers, plankton, seaweed, marsh grasses, starfish, urchins, crabs, lobsters, whales, dolphins, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.?? Are THEY gonna bounce back?

I really wish politicians would quit talking about the lost jobs and tourism, and talk about the animals/plants that we can never replace.

And anyway, "bouncing back stronger than ever"... that rings a bell. Didn't W say that about New Orleans after Katrina?

[dixiegrrrrl]

6. Yeah, he might have. N.O. could not hear him, tho

'cause they were underwater.

[primavera]

30. Remember how the shrub wired the buildings...

... around Jackson Square where his press conference took place, so that the cameras would show lights on in the surrounding buildings and people wouldn't think that the situation was all that bad in New Orleans? Then, of course, as soon as they were done filming, they disconnected the generators and took them away, leaving the city again in darkness.

[Bluebear]

122. .

[joeybee12]

5. Yup, an ecosystem destroyed will simply "bounce back"

I really wonder how much he understands about a lot of things.

[blindpig]

7. Boy, I feel better now...

can words get any emptier?

I'm sure the fisher folks, the marshes, birds and turtles are reassured.

Reassuring would be nationalizing BP and immediately jailing the BP brass and board. But that ain't gonna happen, they hold the whip hand.

[bobbolink]

18. The Man said it, so it must be so.

:puke:

[Bluebear]

112. Just Believe!

[bobbolink]

125. Damn! I clicked my heels too hard and broke my damned glass slippers.

Damn that hurts.

[Bluebear]

137. lololol

[emulatorloo]

8. Do you want him to say "The gulf is fucked, I'm giving up and you should too"?

That would make my red "mad head" frame very brightly.

[HughMoran]

17. Apparently so

A political board with

NO

political sense whatsoever.

[joeybee12]

20. Yeah, the first part...because that would mean he was being honest...n/t

[bobbolink]

26. Those are the only two choices in your world?

:crazy: :silly: :crazy:

[HughMoran]

41. If you're a binary thinker

Doh!

[blindpig]

59. No, I would want him to go medieval on their asses

Nationalize BP and jail the officers and board. can't bring nothing back but an object lesson to the rest of the capitalists would be useful and gratifying.

Of course it won't happen, we know who holds the whip hand.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

9. How can that be predicted when the full assault has yet to be realized?

Really sad pandering...

[Cant trust em]

10. What would be a better message?

"Everything will be shitty forever and ever" is a pretty crappy thing to say.

[MadHound]

15. No, but he can be realistic about what is going on

Instead of being all happy, happy, joy, joy about it. Give a detailed scenario about what is happening and how long it will take for nature and man to repair the damage.

[Walk away]

63. Did you actually see and hear what he said in context?

"happy, happy, joy"? Hardly.

This may come as a shock but good leaders give hope and encouragement to people in trouble and then work to solve the problem. If President Obama cannot keep people focused on the future and overcoming this disaster he might as well resign.

[bobbolink]

29. Again, those are the only two possible responses in your world?

:crazy: :silly: :crazy:

[Cant trust em]

39. The message is fine.

Obama went on to say "What is clear is that the economic impact of this disaster is going to be substantial and it is going to be ongoing,"

However, people are choosing to focus on the "bounce back" portion.

This is a non-controversy.

[bobbolink]

52. The best journalist we have ever had was fired because of the words she said that people "choose to

focus on".

If he is as smart as his claims, he would have known not to make such a colossally dumb statement.

[Cant trust em]

83. You're overreacting to generic statements.

This isn't a policy recommendation. It's nothing more than chit chat.

When non-statements like his generate this much chatter, I'm not surprised when the media thinks we're all morons.

[bobbolink]

84. All you got is personal slams.

Your communication skills are coming from a suspect place.

[Cant trust em]

91. The place I'm coming from is wanting a real discussion about real issue

Not discussion about who said what about an issue.

“Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people” - Eleanor Roosevelt.

[bobbolink]

123. Good idea, and good quote. So, its simple... discuss ideas instead of slamming people.

[Cant trust em]

142. I didn't slam you.

I said that the media thinks we're stupid.

[bobbolink]

145. You're so accustomed to slamming people that you don't even see it, do you?

There is no point to this.

I hope that at some point you recognize that "you messages", which you began with, are not only not productive, but they disrupt any chance of peace.

Bye.

[Cant trust em]

146. "Again, those are the only two possible responses in your world?"

You're quite the pot calling the kettle black.

Have fun playing the victim.

[bobbolink]

148. one more name-calling slam.

welcome to my ignore list.]

BYE!!

[Cant trust em]

149. I wish we could have had this interaction at about 2 p.m.

That would have turned a crappy day into an awesome day.

[dionysus]

119. ROFL, now she's teh best journalist of all time!11! too bad that mean ol obama did her in!

:eyes:

[waiting for hope]

71. You know, I don't think this:

"What is clear is that the economic impact of this disaster is going to be substantial and it is going to be ongoing,"

Is going to mean a damn thing to them:

?



I think they would prefer their life back.

[RaleighNCDUer]

82. It is a fairly accurate statement, and diametrically opposed to "bounce back". nt

[Bluebear]

143. You said it.

[laughingliberal]

55. Yes. This has become False Dichotomy Underground. nt

[bobbolink]

58. FDU? ............That can't be good.

:rofl:

[Walk away]

65. That was my alma mater and it wasn't good at all!...nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

81. How about

The gulf is NOT going to bounce back - this is a long term problem which will require long term solutions. One day, not tomorrow, not next month, not next year, but one day the gulf will again be a rich and fertile sea - and we are doing everything we can to hasten that day.

How about THAT shit?

[Lorien]

135. An honest one that included the phrase "BP's efforts have failed. The US government

will now permit other agencies to attempt to shut down the gusher. We are now accepting the offers of equipment and expertise from other Nations and individuals." That would be a nice place to start. Acting as BP's PR man isn't helping at all, obviously.

[tekisui]

11. He shouldn't make such ill-informed statements. It hurts his credibility.

[HughMoran]

16. So the Gulf will "never" bounce back?

:wtf:

[tekisui]

19. I wouldn't call a long painful rebuilding lastling decades a 'bounce back'.

It won't just happen and it won't be quick or easy.

[HughMoran]

22. So he should be grim and depressing?

:wtf:

Ever heard of 'political sense'?

[tekisui]

28. I'd prefer honesty.

No need to be grim. We are adults and can take the hard truths. It will be a long painful recovery that will take decades. I'd rather hear that than turd-polishing.

[HughMoran]

33. ...also known as defeatism

...or stupidity.

[tekisui]

37. You are wrong. You seem to prefer lies when the truth is a 'political risk'.

[HughMoran]

38. It's not a lie.

See, you're the one spewing invective

[tekisui]

42. You claim the truth is defeatism.

And, you framed that in terms of political realities. You seem to value inaccurate language if necessary to avoid a potentially damaging political truth.

[HughMoran]

49. Gobbledygook

Insane interpretation. :crazy:

[bobbolink]

54. Some people need to read "Bright-Sided", by Barbara Ehrenreich.

The subtitle really applies here... "How The Relentless Promotion Of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America."

[HughMoran]

57. yes, optimism destroys us all

Damn it, I need to learn to be a miserable rotten downer like all the rest.

Sorry, I'll try harder next time.

:rofl:

[joeybee12]

45. And I'd prefer his comments not sound like he was protecting BP...

...not so bad...limited liability...etc.

[HughMoran]

51. He was encouraging the people of the Gulf

...so they wouldn't get down.

But if you're obsessed with KILLING BP, it's difficult to remember that real people need to feel like this will be over someday.

:eyes:

[dionysus]

120. no, he's supposed to preach doom, so the same exact people can complain that he's a pessimist.

get it straight mister

:hi:

[Lerkfish]

31. The valdez spill's oil is still on the shores.

that was how many decades ago?

[HughMoran]

35. Did you read the article talking about how temperature greatly affects the breakdown of the oil?

Please, let's hope that this does recover faster - why wouldn't we want it to recover quicker?

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[izquierdista]

12. Dead cats also bounce

When dropped from a sufficient height.

[mikita]

117. good one....

got lost in the shuffle, but how right you are!

[rudy23]

13. BP = Buys Presidents. n/t

[bobbolink]

32. .

:applause:

[HughMoran]

14. It will

The earth has been through a lot worse. Humans will suffer - but we deserve to for allowing this to happen.

[William Z. Foster]

110. can't believe I just read that

"The earth has been through a lot worse?"

"Humans will suffer - but we deserve to for allowing this to happen?"

What sort of monsters are we becoming?

And this is all for what...to "defend the President?" I think you, and many of his most ardent "supporters" are dragging him down with you.

And you call others insufficiently positive-minded?

[Radical Activist]

130. It's an accurate statement.

The fact that you can only view an issue in terms of whether it makes Obama look good or bad is your own personal issue to deal with.

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[HCE SuiGeneris]

121. Yeah - fuck those people who live in and around the oil spewage!

:eyes: :puke:

[Catherina]

21. Sad. Open your eyes Barack n/t

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[Lost-in-FL]

60. I agree with you, however...

I am sure there are better ways to say it. IBTD!!


:hide:

[Lerkfish]

25. its been changed to "reimbursement" from BP paying the bill entirely.

anyone else notice this subtle shift?

[dixiegrrrrl]

46. No, I had noticed that.

Interesting.
good catch.

[Lerkfish]

50. what it means is that we the people foot the bill, and then TRY to legally make BP do it

although I have suggested this myself in the past as an option, I find it interesting that the administration is making the shift in this very subtle way.
When I suggested it though, I meant something like emminent domain, demanding the reimbursement. But this subtlety makes me uncomfortable. Sounds like a lot of wiggle room for BP

[blindpig]

100. Plain as day, an army of lawyers will shrink reimbursement...

and drown it in the bathtub.

Expropriate without compensation.

I keep saying that but it ain't gonna happen, I know. This is Capitalism. But if there was any justice that's what would have happened a month ago. But this is Capitalism.

[Radical Activist]

131. So we do nothing until BP pays?

How long should we delay recovery while we pursue revenge on BP?

[Rex]

27. Sorry bro, but that just ain't happening, Though I like your optimism

about the future of the Gulf. You should TELL THE TRUTH, The Gulf Coast if FUCKED for DECADES. Whole industries will go under because of BPs lack of caring. The tragedy if far, far bigger than Obama can realize. Evidently.

[piratefish08]

34. seriously?

i give.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. Yeah. Just like all those huge flocks of Passenger Pigeons we see flying around.

[dixiegrrrrl]

48. and Ivory billed woodpeckers, to bring it a bit closer to home.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

56. Not to mention how Pompeii bounced back after that irritating volcano.

[Mithreal]

62. In terms of Geological time scales, he is right.

[bobbolink]

68. I KNEW there had to be some aspect of that chess thingie in this.

[Spheric]

72. Just shows he's analyzing the situation from the long term perspective.

No quick fixes for our president.

[bobbolink]

73. Spin, Baby, Spin.

[Spheric]

95. Very, very, very long term.

Some people only view things in terms of how they effect humanity and the environment as we know it. Of course, that type of short term thinking leads to improper analysis.

[RaleighNCDUer]

88. Only problem is, humankind does not live in geological time scales.

By those parameters, earth will bounce back from having spawned the human race - we've only been around in our current form for 100,000 years, out of 4.3 billion years of life on earth.

Makes the gulf recovery look like a bounce.

But in human terms, not so much.

[Mithreal]

109. indeed

[damntexdem]

64. Well, that bounce may take centuries.

But I guess that someday there may be a bounce -- whether or not humans are still around to see it.

[nichomachus]

66. His biggest concern is whether he can bounce back from the mid-terms

[Spheric]

67. Gotta drill, baby, drill. That'll fix everything. /nt

:sarcasm:

[Karenina]

69. NO IT WON'T.

[ProSense]

70. He should have said

The Gulf Coast will not bounce back ever, no matter how much time and effort or reimbursement from BP. We are doomed.

[rudy23]

74. Too bad there are only those two choices. The False Choice meme is becoming very popular.

I love the one where the only choices we have are to let Obama sit passively as BP exacerbates the spill, or he puts on a wet suit and plugs the hole himself.

[ProSense]

76. Do you mean

the Gulf will, could, is likely to bounce back? Or do you mean there is a possibility it will not bounce back?

Maybe the President should have said that there is a posibility that the Gulf will never bounce back?

[RaleighNCDUer]

89. The key word is 'bounce'.

Bounce: To spring back...rebound.

A recovery that takes decades does not fit the definition of 'bounce'. And, there is a possibility that the gulf will never truly recover, though if we work at it we should be able to help it happen.

But 'bounce back'? No fucking way.

[marions ghost]

97. I'm with you...

"bounce back" is a very misleading thing to say. Who's writing the script here?

I don't think the prez is getting very good advice if he thinks this is a bounce back kind of situation.

The risk he runs is that later, when things aren't very bouncy, people will say he lied and misled them.

Best to be treading water in the middle right now--"ie. Yes it is bad. Yes we will try our best to bring it back. Yes, there will be suffering before it's better."

"Bounce back" is what you say about the sniffles....

:shrug: He's not getting the best advice on how to handle this, PR wise.

[ProSense]

101. I don't agree at all.

Bounce back is a perfectly acceptable statement unless one wants to nitpick and parse words.

[marions ghost]

103. We live in a world where every word counts

--it's called sound bites. Anyone in such a position has to be very precise about characterizing something like this, because if people take it too lightly, you're in trouble later. Obama is known for precise language. It hits me wrong immediately, coming from him.

I'm not caring about word-picking so much as questioning the characterization of the most far-reaching environmental disaster the country has ever known. Wondering what kind of advice Obama is getting about the long term prognosis, from a biological standpoint.

It's basically a lie. The area will not "bounce back." Not if this thing spews as long as it looks like it will.

I want Obama to be more careful because this could backfire. :shrug:

[ProSense]

105. "I want Obama to be more careful because this could backfire. "

I doubt it will backfire.

"It's basically a lie. The area will not "bounce back." Not if this thing spews as long as it looks like it will."

Saying the area will bounce back is not a lie, it will in time.

[marions ghost]

106. limp, crawl, struggle, inch, recover...

"bounce" it will not. Did Chernobyl bounce back?

Obama needs to watch being too much of a Pollyanna. That's not fair to people who really don't understand the situation and just take his word for it. False hope is not helpful.

This will not meet anyone's definition of "bounce' in the end. Better to be veering toward honesty --not brutal, but honest. But OK--if you want him to lie on a technicality--yes one day, long after we are all gone...the Gulf may recover if it's not damaged too much further. But there's every indication that it will be further degraded and people will not learn from this for quite awhile, especially if govt officials whitewash it.

[emulatorloo]

116. Welcome to DU!

Take a quote, focus on a word, and twist and twist.

[Spheric]

77. Why couldn't he say "this is bad, really bad?"

And continue on to say that we all hold some responsibility for our dependence on fossil fuels for cheap energy.

Why not level with us that it will not be easy to break this addiction, but that if we all commit ourselves to the process of developing and implementing the solutions, that we will indeed prevail?

Why not tell the truth and use this moment in history to move us toward a better place? As we were after 9/11, the country is once again united in its opposition to the oil cartels and our dependence on them for nearly everything we do.

Why, exactly, do you think it's so important to waste yet another opportunity to have a united America fighting for a better future?

Why, in God's name, is it so important that we continue to drill new wells in the Gulf of Mexico?

This is not meant to be a challenge. I truly do not understand. Please, enlighten me.

[ProSense]

79. How about if he had said

this: "we're dealing with a massive and potentially unprecedented environmental disaster."

Maybe he doesn't say the same thing every time he opens his mouth.

[rudy23]

85. ...which we will "bounce back" from. Unless he meant a 50 year bounce...

he was downplaying the spill, and that pisses us off down here.

[Spheric]

87. "we're dealing with a massive and potentially unprecedented environmental disaster..."

so we need to drill more.

Come on, you can't seriously believe that is the best response possible?

Now is not the time to be starting new drilling operations in the Gulf. But that is what he is allowing to happen. Before the MMS is cleaned up. Before new safety regulations and procedures are in place. Using the exact same guidelines to circumvent any assessment of the environmental hazards.

Christ, we have the largest environmental hazards experiment in recorded history taking place before our very eyes and we are ignoring it to continue with drill, baby, drill. WTF? I mean, WTF?

You have to be able to see this is not the best possible course.

EDIT: And, I just want to add that I'm not sure this is the best time for mixed messages.

EDIT AGAIN: Look, I dearly want our president to succeed. I voted for him, I campaigned for him. If he doesn't succeed, we are all screwed. And, as far down this road as we've come, I don't see us getting a better opportunity any time soon. But, when he talks the talk and then doesn't walk the walk, it comes across as though he doesn't care. He knows better, but does the wrong thing anyway. I honestly don't believe that is the case, but he needs to "buck up" and take the bull by the horn if he is to have any chance of making meaningful change. I hope that all I am doing with my criticism of his actions is encouraging him to do so.

[undeterred]

75. Is that going to be a better bounce than the economy?

[RaleighNCDUer]

78. I know a tar ball might resemble a rubber ball, but I guarantee it will not bounce.

Recovery from this will make the Katrina recovery look like spring cleaning.

[Individualist]

90. No....way!

[WinkyDink]

92. I'm sure he is thinking in terms of eons. Because in his daughters' lifetimes? That would be no.

[G_j]

93. Show us you're serious, shut down the Atlantis platform nt

[bvar22]

94. And Choco Rations will be increased 3 grams....

...next week!
DoublePlus Good!

[Radical Activist]

98. It will in time.

The right efforts will help make it come back faster. It would help if we banned the agricultural chemicals that create the dead zone every year. Oil spills aren't the only thing destroying the gulf.

[ProSense]

102. "but not without time, effort and reimbursement from BP."

Just ignore that part of the President's statment.

[Lerkfish]

104. I discuss the term "reimbursement" further up the thread.

and why its being used here. It means the taxpayers will pay for it and THEN the administration will make an attempt to get reimbursed.

[stuntcat]

99. whether it takes 5 years or 2 decades (more likely) it will not be quite a "bounce"

If I had any hope left the last few weeks would have made me lose it.

[noamnety]

107. That explains why he's continued giving permits.

If he believes the environment can bounce back from something on this scale, there's very little reason not to allow more of the same.

[nadinbrzezinski]

108. Some facts help here

Yes, it WILL. Oil is BIODEGRADABLE, over the eons of life on earth we have bacteria that have evolved to eat this stuff. They LIKE IT in fact. What you think that oil started to spill on the surface or waters ONLY when human finally decided to use it? See La Brea pits, and Pennsylvania oil fields.

Will it be fast? Perhaps not for humans. The Bay of Campeche recovered in about ten years and I've eaten shrimp after the Ixtoc... and this was ten years post incident.

Perhaps ten years is too long for humans, but in geologic times it is not even a breath or an eye wink... so yes it will recover.

That said we need to start talking of the civlization changing changes we need to move AWAY from oil. After all, believe it or not this gusher in 35 days put out less oil than we use in A DAY, and there is more, actually as horrible as this looks, we are not seeing carbon released to the atmosphere out of this...

But the gulf will recover, and that is the good news. Even if we chose to do nothing and let the oil stain the beaches, it will recover... see those bacteria. If they did not exist, well then we would not be here, because we have naturally gushing oil all the time. Granted, less than we used to, but we still do.

[Imajika]

126. Exactly...

The doom and gloom crowd don't want to hear this though.

In some perverse way, I get the impression that a lot of people are rooting for bad news. It almost feels like people want this to be as big a disaster as possible. I get the same feeling about people when it comes to the economy. Good news is bad, bad news is good.

Perhaps a part of many people want the worst because it is the only way they feel things might really change drastically for what they think would be the better?

[nadinbrzezinski]

129. Nah I actually scratch it to very poor scienctific education

if you don't get this, it is easy to panic.

Hell in my youth I did some stuff that I was chosen for it because I had a college degree and a fairly descent understanding in science.

No I did not volunteer, I was volunteered.

And for that particular one, I am glad all we did was drill, and drill some more and drill even some more.

[Bluebear]

111. Yes we can!

All we needed was to be positive!!!1

[Blue_In_AK]

114. The animals are back in Prince William Sound

except for the herring that never seemed to recover. The oil is still there, though.

The Gulf will probably recover, but it's going to take a long, long time.

[zonkers]

115. Dumbshit thing to say when the leak is nowhere near contained. Sometimes he is so tone deaf.

[glinda]

124. idiot

[cwydro]

128. Oh wow.

I feel so much better.

We've only seen the tip of the iceberg here. Good god.

[Raine]

132. In how many centuries Mr. President??? nt

:mad: :grr:

[XemaSab]

133. I think DU needs four buttons:

I unrecommend this because I think the OP should be not more widely heard and I disapprove of whatever story the OP is about.

I unrecommend this because I think the OP should not be more widely heard but I approve of whatever story the OP is about.

I recommend this because I think the OP should be more widely heard and I approve of whatever story the OP is about.

And I recommend this because I think the OP should be more widely heard and I disapprove of whatever story the OP is about.

Wait, where was I? :shrug:

[LisaL]

134. Since the oil is gushing out as we speak, isn't it a bit early

to talk about "bouncing back?"
:eyes:

[donheld]

136. He may be exactly right

some eon.

[eridani]

139. He's right. However, it's a useless kind of "right" except at geological time scales n/t

[Skittles]

140. he is sounding like a complete fucking clueless idiot

[Catherina]

144. I would have phrased it differently but, in essence, yes he is. n/t

[freddie mertz]

141. It's like the last scene in Dr. Strangelove.

The POTB will have nothing to worry about while the rest of us slowly die out from the poison they are inflicting upon us.

They will all be in some nice air-conditioned caves, provided with a supply of specially selected "breeding partners" to repopulate the planet.

Of course, they will have to wait a few hundred thousand years.

[amborin]

147. beyond Orwellian.....