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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 07:39 PM
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Any DUers watching Toxic Children on CNN
what a difference between EU rules and US rules re toxic chemicals.
Interesting discussion with Gupta - more lack of regulations.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 07:43 PM
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1. Yep, more lack of regulations. Anything for profit in USA, Inc. n/t
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 07:45 PM
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2. But but but we don't have any actual proof that these chemicals
are affecting children in any way. Some people actually believe that.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 07:50 PM
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3. Sickening
Lack of regulations in every sphere - people should be charged for murder.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 07:52 PM
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5. I swear that pharmco shills used to inhabit the Aol health boards
professing that lead and other heavy metals did nothing to exacerbate ADHD and other neurological conditions.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 08:00 PM
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8. I have a good friend whose second son had the worst
asthma I have ever seen. After watching doctors stick him with needles one night she decided she'd have to find another way to ease his suffering.

Her grandmother told her to stop cleaning with bleach and just use vinegar and water or rosemary and water. Within two weeks she saw a difference - gradually she removed every cleaning chemical in their home and his health improved significantly. He has not had an asthma attack in over a year.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 08:04 PM
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9. Excellent and how many people would cry foul for you stating
such a fact?? Everyone knows that pollen, dust and other naturally occurring items cause asthma. Chemical sensitivity is a myth.


http://www.lef.org/protocols/respiratory/asthma_01.htm

Understanding Asthma: Inflammation and Oxidative Stress

Asthma is primarily a disorder of the bronchial tubes, the airways that connect the windpipe (trachea) and the lungs. The bronchial tubes are surrounded by smooth muscle. The tubes themselves are lined with mucus glands and contain inflammatory immune-system cells called mast cells, lymphocytes, and eosinophils. When activated, these cells produce inflammatory mediators such as histamine and leukotrienes, which bind with receptors on cells within the bronchial tubes.

During as asthma attack, a cascade of events is launched that results in the production of histamine and leukotrienes. Leukotrienes are derived from the inflammatory arachidonic acid. These inflammatory mediators cause a host of changes in bronchial tissue: they trigger a dramatic increase in mucus secretion and a simultaneous rapid constriction of the bronchial smooth muscle, which narrows the bronchial tubes and reduces the amount of air that can pass through them. Over the course of the subsequent few hours, inflammatory cells move into the area, capillaries begin to leak fluid, and direct tissue damage occurs, triggering further inflammation and swelling. The net result is wheezing and coughing and eventual trapping of air in the alveoli (a tiny, thin-walled, capillary-rich sac in the lungs, or air sac) and smaller airways. This air trapping is most dangerous to the asthmatic because it progressively limits the amount of air that can be exchanged between the lungs and the blood stream, eventually causing rising carbon dioxide levels and falling oxygen levels. The increased muscular effort required to move air increases oxygen demand, tissue metabolism, and acid production, eventually resulting in exhaustion and, in extreme cases, respiratory collapse and arrest.

Why the bronchial tubes become so sensitive in asthmatics is not fully understood, but research suggests that immune-system cells known as T cells play a central role. Some T cells induce inflammation to fight off a foreign threat, while others reduce inflammation once the threat has subsided. Conditions such as asthma, in which the body overreacts to threats, may be related to an imbalance or malfunction of these and other immune-system components (Tosca MA et al 2003; Howard TD et al 2002; Ray A et al 2000).

The idea behind nutritional supplementation is to disrupt this inflammatory cascade whenever possible. For example, omega-3 fatty acids have been shown to inhibit the production of arachidonic acid, which reduces the concentration of inflammatory leukotrienes (Wong KW 2005). Other nutrients, such as curcumin, interfere with other causative factors in the inflammatory cascade, such as inhibiting nuclear factor kappa beta and an enzyme that converts arachidonic acid to leukotriene B4.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 07:51 PM
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4. Yep, like a little bit of arsenic each day. We've got a lot of lame people. n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 07:53 PM
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6. I must wait
until I have control of the remote .....patience, patience, patience ....

Even within the US, states have very different standards. I'm a resident of New York, but often have to rely upon New Jersey for accurate information on the health risks associated with living near some of the toxic dumps around here.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 07:56 PM
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7. LOL
:hi:
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 09:29 PM
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10. Sanjay Gupta deserves kudos
for his reports. The other one is called Toxic Towns.
What he did was very courageous.

The problem with regulating chemicals for health in the US is that not only will the chemical lobby rise up - but every manufaturer, including big pharma, that uses those chemicals rise up too. The power of the "prove they are not safe" paradigm is immense.

ALSO - they want proof that is impossible to achieve. They have established requirements in court cases that linkage must be the standard of the day and supporting evidence must have been published in business friendly medical journals.
We can thank a libertarian think tank for getting that on the books.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 09:33 PM
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11. In Europe they have to prove that the chemicals are safe
I'll never understand the difference.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 01:26 AM
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13. The difference is huge
For one thing - they have universal healthcare - they have an economic interest in keeping people heatlhy.
In the US - illnesses such as cancer contribute to the GDP.

Also - the US research is pretty bad. If you were to look at the articles in the Journal of the American Occupational and Environmental Medicine you would see lots of research written by apologists for the corporate world.
(Our major occ/med medical society is staffed by corporate medical directors and they take money from corporations - as I understand it.)

The Scandanavian countries, Italy, Japan and India lead the US in environmental health research. Believe it or not - the USSR used to have superior research on chemicals and health.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:51 AM
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15. Very good post
:hi:

Russia is now a disaster.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:52 PM
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16. Thanks
It's kind of my "thing."
:hi:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 09:36 PM
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12. I watched and recorded
the special. I was astounded to learn that we have over 80K chemicals on the market that lack safety data.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 01:33 AM
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14. Jonas Brothers are on Larry King .. Again?
:+
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 06:20 PM
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17. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, malaise.
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