Lou Dobbs is now going after legal immigrants. I thought his problem was with illegals?

[originalpckelly]

:shrug:

Tonight's program featured a story about chain migration, and included outrageously bullshit numbers that every single person who legally immigrates to the USA could bring 200 odd people along with them.

Oh give me a fucking break already! That's just such fear-mongering bullshit!

I don't think this man gives a damn about anything else than brown people, I really have to start wondering if Lou doesn't have a set of white sheets hidden somewhere, immigration seems to be the only thing he ever talks about. Immigrants aren't the only problem in America, but watching this dumbshit's program, you'd have to guess that.

[SteppingRazor]

1. Well, clearly he doesn't have a problem with all brown people...

just look at Mrs. Dobbs.

But, yeah, I think his hammering on this issue crossed the border from exploratory, investigative journalism to Deeply Silly a long time ago.

[Beaverhausen]

2. I was dying for Leslie Stahl to ask how her parents came to this country

[Madspirit]

6. That's what I wanted to know

I couldn't believe that story and it's even more odd that his wife claims to be more conservative than he is.
Lee

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Yeah, Lou Dobbs has lots of Mexican friends.

:rofl:

[TahitiNut]

4. He calls them "in-laws"

:shrug:

[Cleita]

14. You can still be racist even though married to another race.

I know my father was. He made an exception for my Latina mother and me, but as a whole he considered other Latinos to be inferior to Americans. Fortunately his racism was only intellectual. In no way would he have approved of throwing people, who only want to work, into detention facilities and the many other "solutions" being proposed today for the immigrants.

[KharmaTrain]

18. And His Wife Matters Because???

Jebbie Bush's wife is Hispanic, too. Yes, this went deep silly when Lou started citing talking points from the Minutemen and other white supremist groups. And I've yet heard him discuss illegals from other countries (such as the thousands of Poles, Russians, Chinese and others who have also slipped into the "underground" economy)...as well as any serious scrutiny about those who hire the illegals or the real economic conditions that force these people to risk life and limb for the privilidge of cleaning out Lou's pool.

[Marie26]

24. Some of his guests are actually

members of white supremacist organizations. And he once did a show bemoaning the lack of "European" (meaning - white) immigrants to the US. Dobbs would probably be OK w/some illegal Polish immigrants; it's the brown-skinned immigrants that he can't stand. It's racism, pure & simple.

[KharmaTrain]

27. But There Are Those Here Who Still Love The Guy

I know of illegal Poles...I worked in a business in the early 90s when the first wave of post-wall Poles came flooding into Chicago...almost all on green cards and 6 month visas. At one point I would imagine that of the 50 people who worked at this place, 48 of them were illegals. Nice people, educated people, hard working, but illegal nonetheless. One was the receptionist...who suddenly vanished one day for several months...we found out he had moved to Detroit to stay one step ahead of INS. Recently, there was a local newspaper story of a family of Russians who had been busted for running a "mail order bride" service from their home...bringing in Russian women supposedly with marriage proposals who then vanish into the underground economy (cleaning ladies) once they get here.

Again, I ask anyone to contemplate what it takes to leave one's home with nothing but hope...risking one's life in going to a country you know is full of people who hate you. Doobies and others should get off their high horses and stop thinking that this country is the do-all, end-all place to be. This is an economic tragedy that borders on white slavery and Doobies blames the slaves.

Cheers...

[DrunkenMaster]

31. it's the oldest trick in the book!

That's why Ann Coulter is always the mouthpiece of choice against feminism and JC Wattsis always used to rail against affirmative action. Same reason Michelle Malkin wrote a book defending the internment camps of WWII.

It's an old scam, my friend.

[goclark]

52. Who is Mrs. Dobbs?

Is she Hispanic?

[Madspirit]

5. His wife is Hispanic

...and she CLAIMS to be more conservative than he is. I really don't get it.
Lee

[BlackHawk706867]

7. You must have been watching something that I missed when watching...

his broadcast.... I agree with what he said, most countries in the world require applicants that wish to emigrate have a certain criteria of credentials: ie: Speak their language, have certain skills that make them a citizen that would be positive to the adopting country, and enter the country on a legal basis... Not so hard to understand IMO...

ww

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[BlackHawk706867]

13. It' s got nothing to do with being a racist... I am a Canadian and enter the US...

on a regular basis... I am classified as a "Legal allien" and am allowed to stay for 6 months less a day in the US, provided that I follow their laws. Do you see anything here that denotes racisim so far?
I own a get away property in the US and pay taxes, and obey the laws by crossing via the US crossings as designated by law. What is so difficult with this process?

ww

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[AlCzervik]

26. and---they also pay "US Taxes" so that argument is bogus as well.

[DrunkenMaster]

35. that doesn't mean he is a racist!

Stop with the cheap personal attacks already -- it is sickening and pathetic.

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[DrunkenMaster]

40. umm...yeah

I've reported you -- your posts are a flagrant violation of the conduct code.

The crappy thing is that I actually agree with you, I just think your conduct and tactics are disgusting.

[Madspirit]

43. delete

[DrunkenMaster]

45. exactly like a child

No wonder political dialogue in this country has gone down the drain...

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[DrunkenMaster]

47. umm....yeah, you do that

There's no arguing with your iron-clod logic.

[DrunkenMaster]

48. dupe, please delete

duplicate.

[DrunkenMaster]

32. WHAT CRAP

You need to stop making personal attacks against people you disagree with, madspirit. You do it constantly and it's sickening.

[Madspirit]

41. Yeah right

'cause I'm the only one here calling it racist. Read the other posts...racist apologist. Quit stalking me too. Why else would you know what ALL...yes ALL...my posts are like.
Lee

[iverglas]

17. what's hard to understand

is why anyone would say this:

I agree with what he said, most countries in the world require applicants that wish to emigrate have a certain criteria of credentials: ie: Speak their language, have certain skills that make them a citizen that would be positive to the adopting country, and enter the country on a legal basis

No, other countries do not apply those criteria to sponsored immediate family members of current legal permanent residents, who are what seem to be in issue here. Let's not mix our apples and oranges here.

(edit: re "enter the country on a legal basis"; duh. Other countries do apply that one. So does the US.)

Canada, e.g., requires knowledge of an official language, and certain skills, in the case of independent immigrants: people seeking to immigrate on their own merits.

So does the U.S.

Both countries impose much lower criteria in the case of immediate family members whom a legal permanent resident or naturalized citizen or citizen by birth wishes to sponsor for immigration. In those cases, the main bars are certain kinds of health problems and criminal records.

Some people in the U.S. really should stop playing the long-suffering, soft-hearted hero/victim in these sorts of things. The U.S. is no less stringent than any other country when it comes to immigration criteria ... and in fact more stringent than some.

Canada, for instance, does not impose immigration quotas by country of origin, and does not treat a citizen of the UK who was born a citizen of Pakistan as a Pakistani for the purposes of the quotas (which Canada doesn't have), which the U.S. does.

[treestar]

29. Immigrants who come today learn English just as fast, if not faster

than immigrants who came in the 19th century.

Mine spoke English when they got here, but that was because the gaddamed English had spread their language all over Ireland and suppressed the native language.

These requirements are all there to legally immigrate and become a citizen - the illegals are illegal because they don't fall into the categories that would make them legal, and they speak English as much as any other blue collar laboring group that immigrated ever did.

[uppityperson]

8. Didn't that already happen? Vikings came, then other Europeans, now look at it

Europeans brought slaves, people following people, immigrants following family and friends. Look at the USA. So many immigrated. I remember when there used to be only a few hundred thousand people here, and even before that, before they came over the Siberian land bridge or across the oceans. There used to be NONE!!! Those darn imigrants.

This is fear mongering bullshit although, looking at it historically, it was true.

[tandot]

9. Dobbs can kiss my legal immigrant ass

I am here since 1994 and have not brought ANY one of my family members to this country...I work hard, pay my taxes, pay my bills on time, have a credit rating of over 790, and do NOT break any laws (never even got a ticket).

The only time I bring family over is when my parents visit me and spent thousands of dollars for three weeks a year and then return back home.

He is a f*cking a**hole. I am so tired of that bullshit. Where did he and his ancestors come from? May I assume he is not Native American?


:mad:

[Warpy]

20. Third generation Irish here

and he can kiss my flabby pasty white arse, too.

I could see complaining about the misuse of H1-B visas to drive wages down, but legal immigrants?

Where the fuck did HIS family come from? Not this continent, certainly.

[mmonk]

11. The immigration issue has been exploited

by the right in their campaign of fear which is leading to abuses of human rights. It's one reason I don't discuss it much.

[earthside]

12. Over-Population

I didn't see Lou Dobbs this evening ... but 'legal' immigration is a problem, too.

The visa programs that brings in professionals from other countries who are willing to work for low wages -- that's a problem. 'Chain-migration' from Mexico, India, Canada or Russia is a problem.

You see, too much legal and illegal immigration will lower wages and benefits in this country.

Furthermore, we are already a nation of 300+ million people. Our lifestyles are the most polluting, energy consuming, materialistic and resource wasteful on the planet. The global warming phenomenon is screaming to us that we as a species cannot afford anymore humans living like Americans.

If we want to keep some semblance of our standard of living (and it is going to have to change no matter what), then we have got to figure out a way to stop our population growth and start reversing the trend.

By the way, you know, not everything is about race.

[Marie26]

15. Lou Dobbs is a moron

He just hates immigration, period. It's even more outrageous because he is attacking one of the ONLY ways to legally immigrate to this country.

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[Greyhound]

19. I have white sheets, but they're 400 thread count, and not this sateen bullshit

they're pawning off on us now, they feel so nice and crisp I'll never give them up.
:boring:

[BlackHawk706867]

21. Yeah, I'm going to take a rain check on further argument of this as well....

Don't seem to be getting the "Legal vs Illegal" point across!

ww

[loyalsister]

22. The whole issue was always racist bullshit

They just framed it a few different ways to recruit more people who really didn't realize that was the whole agenda in the first place.

Employment issues are a whole different bag. Targeting people with the kind of hate and vitriole we have seen recently is racism.

[BlackHawk706867]

23. Here's one for ya that I just received in an email...

> I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with
> seed.
>
> Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous
> flow of free and easily accessible food. But then the birds started
> building nests
> in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue.
>
> Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the
> table...
> everywhere. Then some of the birds turned mean: They would dive bomb me
> and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket. And
> others birds were boisterous and loud: They sat on the feeder and squawked
> and
> screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when
> it got
> low on food.
>
> After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. I took
> down
> the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their
> mess
> and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio. Soon, the
> back
> yard was like it used to be...quite, serene and no one demanding their
> rights to a
> free meal.
>
> Now let's see . . . Our government gives out free food, subsidized
> housing, free
> medical care, free education and allows anyone born here to be an automatic
> citizen.
>
> Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands. Suddenly our taxes went
> up to
> pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5 families: you have to
> wait 6
> hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor: your child's 2nd grade class
> is
> behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English.
>
> Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to press "one" to hear my
> bank
> talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than "The Maple Leaf "
> are
> squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free
> liberties.
> Maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.


ww
>

[Der Blaue Engel]

30. Jesus, you're transparent

Try a littler harder. We've already seen that disgusting piece of drivel here, thanks. :eyes:

[AlCzervik]

33. Could you be more obvious?

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[RaleighNCDUer]

36. That is an INCREDIBLE pile of racist bullshit.

Just the sort of thing my Bushist sister would post.

[Madspirit]

49. Oh Look

Someone else agrees that it's racist. I wonder what my stalker would think.
Lee

[Madspirit]

37. Proof Positive...racist!...n/t

[DrunkenMaster]

39. it isn't racist, it's just a poor metaphor

Do you really expect that spam-mail garbage to convince anyone?

[Der Blaue Engel]

42. I think it's interesting you chose to take this to PM

Care to simply defend your position here in public?

[entanglement]

50. Please take your hate / xenophobia elsewhere, this is DU, not Stormfront

n/t

[Madspirit]

51. Exactly!

Oh look, another person agrees. Xenophobic garbage and racism.
Lee

[treestar]

28. He's right

But with the quotas and processing times involved, it would take about 1000 years to get that 200th person legally here.

If you get your green card in 2005 you can be a citizen by 2010, though processing time would guarantee it will actually be about 2012 by the time you are actually sworn in. You can then turn around and file for your parents and even your brothers and sisters from the old country, but the brothers and sisters quota will not be current for them until about 2032. If they live that long, they can immigrate legally.

In the meantime, your parents can come over, but they're old already.

So in theory your brothers and sisters can marry people from the old country, who can become citizens in about 2040, and then file for their parents and their brothers and sisters, who will be here in about 2065.

[mdmc]

53. he is the guy that hates mexicans

right?