Nancy Pelosi: Jeebus is coming

[Enrique]

is Nancy going Rapture Ready on us?


http://jonathanturley.org/2010/06/02/word-to-your-speaker-pelosi-proclaims-her-commitment-to-faith-based-politics/

At the Catholic Community Conference on Capitol Hill, Pelosi added

“They ask me all the time, ‘What is your favorite this? What is your favorite that? What is your favorite that?’ And one time, ‘What is your favorite word?’ And I said, ‘My favorite word? That is really easy. My favorite word is the Word, is the Word. And that is everything. It says it all for us. And you know the biblical reference, you know the Gospel reference of the Word. And that Word is, we have to give voice to what that means in terms of public policy that would be in keeping with the values of the Word. The Word. Isn’t it a beautiful word when you think of it? It just covers everything. The Word.

Fill it in with anything you want. But, of course, we know it means: ‘The Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.’ And that’s the great mystery of our faith. He will come again. He will come again. So, we have to make sure we’re prepared to answer in this life, or otherwise, as to how we have measured up.”

[blogslut]

1. Ms. Pelosi has a right to her faith

She was speaking at a gathering of religious types. I'm not really seeing the problem - that is unless the problem is some desire to force members of our party to become atheists.

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[snappyturtle]

10. She is a public figure and whether talking to a religious group or not

I am concerned when she references 'the Word' and that we must recognize it in terms of public policy. Whenever a politician refers to interjecting religious idealogy into public policy, I cringe. I don't think atheism has anything to do with this. Government and religion must remain separate.

[blogslut]

11. How was she injecting it into public policy?

Do you have a link for that?

[snappyturtle]

17. I was referring to the post. In her own words.

"....And that Word is, we have to give voice to what that means in terms of public policy that would be in keeping with the values of the Word."

[blogslut]

21. I can translate that into the secular

Straighten up and fly right because judgment has a way of catching up to people.

The story goes that when Jesus returns, he will judge humankind.

It's a pretty common theme in a lot of religions - judgement day.

[snappyturtle]

34. Personally, she could have said the same in secular terms, I agree.

Religious 'themes' get us, and many others around the world, into wars.

[Obamanaut]

18. Many times folks who are that caught up "in the word" will inject that

caught-up-ness into their jobs. They cannot help themselves. It's new testamental for them "Go ye therefore unto all the world, preaching the gospel to every living creature."

They just do it.

Did we not, right here on DU, poke fun at the former president for similar utterances? Is it now forbidden?

[blogslut]

24. I think that is incorrect

I'm a bit rusty but I'm pretty sure "the gospel" is about the promise of forgiveness from God by accepting that his son died for the sins of humankind. Jesus' return is more about judgment day.

[Obamanaut]

38. Yes, 'gospel' is about the 'good news of redemption.' But why get

hung up here on the definition of one word, or the use of it, when the theme of my response was the acceptance of nutbaggery by one politician and the ridicule of the same nutbaggery by another.

I guess it is not true about 'sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.'

[blogslut]

62. I do not condemn Bush for believing in a religion

I condemn him for his arrogance in believing he was the direct agent of God. I condemn him for applying his dispensationalist beliefs to his foreign policy. I condemn him for his willingness to bring the end of the world to fruition.

Ms. Pelosi's statement is nothing more than a variation on the fairly universal religious concept that one day, we will all face judgment. In Islam it is called Yawm al-Qiyāmah. Buddhists have a Judge of the Dead named Yama. I have no problem with this concept because taking assessment at the end of life is extremely human.

I understand and agree that our elected officials should keep their religion out of our government. Just the same, I also know that dismissing people, out of hand, for their religious views is an exercise in futility. I find if I try to find common ground with religious people, then my relationships with them are much more harmonious. I, an agnostic, am in a minority. I live in a world of others and most of them believe in some kind of deity.

[muffin1]

27. Yep.

But it's so much cooler when Pelosi or Obama does it. x(

[emilyg]

32. Yet she believes in abortion.

[JerseygirlCT]

55. Or more accurately, a woman's right to have an abortion

I don't know what her personal choice might have been.

[JI7]

66. she supports a woman's right over her own body, you are repeating wingnut crap

but i guess that's what one should expect from them

[CountAllVotes]

2. that is part of what is said at every Catholic mass

He will come again in fulfillment of the scriptures ...

and no, I don't think Speaker Pelosi has gone "rapture ready" on us.

:dem:

[JerseygirlCT]

15. I don't either

especially as that sort of theology ("the rapture") is far more common in the much newer, pentecostal or non-denominational strains of Christianity.

She's simply saying that her faith informs her positions - and that she feels a responsibility to do what is right, right now.

[monmouth]

3. I'm gagging...n/t

[callous taoboy]

The Bird, the Bird, the Bird is the word oh the bird, bird, bird, bird is the word...

[postulater]

7. That's the only word I know!

:rofl:

[leftofcool]

8. Careful Callous, yer showing yer age!

I remember that song.

[TexasObserver]

9. A video of her eyes darting around while that song plays would be fabulous!

I'm not suggesting someone should make a youtube video with Nancy's eyes darting nervously to BIRD BIRD BIRD ... Oh, who the hell am I kidding? Of course I'm suggesting it.

[robdogbucky]

13. Pap ooh, mau mau, Papa ooh mau mau

http://vodpod.com/watch/2667433-the-trashmen-surfin-bird


The Trashman

[callous taoboy]

19. oooo mmmaaa maaa mow ooo mmaaa mmaaa maaa mow.....

[robdogbucky]

33. The bed, the bed, the bed is a wet.....

Trashmen's, "Surfin' Bird"

Misheard Lyrics:
I want everybody's head above the bed.

Original Lyrics:
Well everybody's heard about the bird.


Misheard Lyrics:
Well everybody said about the bed
The bed, bed, bed, the bed is a wet.
Original Lyrics:
Well everybody's heard about the bird
The bird, bird, bird, the bird is the word.


Misheard Lyrics:
Well, everybody said about the bird
The bird, bird, bird
The bird is a widow.

Original Lyrics:
Well, everybody said about the bird
The bird, bird, bird
The bird is the word.






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[DefenseLawyer]

56. Word up!

A little love for Cameo and that killer 80's hi-top fade.

[Morning Dew]

5. Well, that's two words

if it's just "word", it would be more like:

ME: Yo, Nance, wanna go eat?

Nancy: Word.

[Blue Owl]

6. Sorry Nancy, the Second Coming is off the table

God is mad because you didn't bring justice to the criminals who stole our government and are now trashing the planet.

[Zix]

12. What a bunch of cock.

It would possibly be okay if it actually meant anything, even anything religious...

[JerseygirlCT]

14. I don't see the problem here

Unless one is operating under a knee-jerk opposition to anyone speaking of their faith.

[ProSense]

16. Everything has to

spark outrage. It's like a drug.

[Jennicut]

20. I thougt we had freedom of and from religion here in the United States.

Some forgot the "of". The from is important too but everyone has the right to believe what religion they want to, or none at all.

[JerseygirlCT]

36. Exactly.

I never understand why a person's personal expression of faith is so problematic. We might disagree with the person's opinion, but it's a shame to see someone talking about what inspires her to work for the good denigrated because it's put in religious terms.

[Obamanaut]

22. I read a lot of opposition when the former president did it. nt

[dflprincess]

29. That was different

:sarcasm:

I forget how.

[muffin1]

30. HAH!

;-)

[JerseygirlCT]

37. Plenty of disagreement, yes

And those of us who are religious surely felt his understanding was harmful to the country and wrong on theology.

He used his religion as a cover for what was really self-centered and self-aggrandizing behavior. Toss in discriminatory and a whole lot of other ugly things.

Where did what Pelosi said do that?

[Obamanaut]

39. The difference is that one of them sits at the "cool kids'" table, and the

other did not.

"cool kids' table" is an old high school reference.

[JerseygirlCT]

50. No, I think the difference is that one is doing - or trying to do -

good work, and one had only selfish and evil intents.

Both are perfectly entitled to their own view of their faith. And both are perfectly entitled to speak of it.

The test of it all is really in what they do. To borrow another biblical phrase - we know them by their fruit.

[earth mom]

42. The problem is when whack job fundies bring it into the U.S. government

which is VIOLATION of the Constitution which calls for SEPARATION of church and state.

Far too many of these elected officials-who are EMPLOYEES of the american people-are pushing their beliefs instead of the law.

So yeah, I have a HUGE problem with public employees spewing their crap because they are NOT representing everyone they were elected to represent! :puke:

[JerseygirlCT]

51. So every word at every moment from a person employed by the

government should be devoid of any religious reference? Don't you think that rather impedes their right to free speech?

If the goal is to represent everyone, then are we to expect Nancy Pelosi to represent the views of the tea-partiers in her district?

What you seem to be saying is that you are against religion, and you want to be sure that anyone and everyone in government share you antipathy.

[earth mom]

65. People need to keep their beliefs to themselves when at work. Simple as that.

Freedom of speech stops where other peoples freedom of speech begins and no one should be subjected or intimidated by religion at the workplace.

FYI-I could give a shit what anyone's religion is-just DO NOT shove it in my face!

Which is EXACTLY what fundies do 24/7!

You do not see that kind of behavior from Jewish people, Buddists or Hindus, just fundies!

And one more thing, Religion is what has fucked up this world and that is a FACT!

[polmaven]

59. That's not the way I see it.

I am a person of faith, and I really resented the way the Bushies constantly tried to force me to believe as they do....Particularly because I am still amazed at the apparent "convenience" of most of what they claim to believe, but she was speaking at a religious event, about her own faith, and not force it on anyone.

[Bluebear]

45. 'a knee-jerk opposition to anyone speaking of their faith' - sounds pretty knee jerk

[JerseygirlCT]

53. I don't think so

Reading the responses here, it seems that the major complaint is that someone in the government spoke of her faith (to a group who share that faith, nonetheless) and that therefore a horrible breach of the first amendment has occurred and we're all on the way down a short, sharp slope to theocracy.

There is nothing wrong with a public person speaking of their faith. There is, however, everything wrong with someone insisting that everyone else conform to their faith - or, for that matter, their lack of it.

The objection doesn't seem to be with any legislative ideas she puts forward while talking about her faith, but about the mere fact that she mentioned it.

[nyc 4 Biden]

23. IBTL

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[krabigirl]

26. yuck..just leave your religion out of the political sphere. ro

I do not care what religion you are, just don't spout dogma when discussing policy.

[Silent3]

28. Maybe she's just referring to The Colbert Report

And that's The Word. :evilgrin:

[Politicalboi]

31. Or since she was at the Paul McCartney show at the WH

The Word by Lennon and McCartney. LOL The Word is love.

[jcboon]

35. Nothing wrong with it

It was after all the Catholic Community Conference. She was stating an opinion about personal convictions.

When the left starts marginalizing politically liberal Christians it starts forming the circular firing squad.

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[Jennicut]

44. I am a religious liberal. You can't be a liberal if you are religious?

[JerseygirlCT]

54. Me too. And I think it's a preposterous idea being put forth here nt

[Jennicut]

57. I think some here have to realize there are liberals like us.

My church is very progressive, allows women ministers and we are not against gay rights in any way.

[JerseygirlCT]

58. Same with mine

Not to mention the very many churches whose focus is on helping those in need. Without proselytizing, btw.

[Jennicut]

60. Yes, our church has gone to Haiti in the past (before the earthquake) to help

get clean water fountains in poorer areas. Some churches do very good things. Some are terrible. I hate being thrown in with the terrible ones.

[JerseygirlCT]

64. It's just easier to lump it all together

and stick it in a box labelled "hate".

That nuance thing - Dubya wasn't the only one who doesn't much like it, I think.

[Duer 157099]

41. Mine is close. It's The F Word n/t

[WCGreen]

43. Damn, I heard the bird is the word,,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZThquH5t0ow

[Bluebear]

48. No. Grease is the Word.

[Bluebear]

46. Holy moly.

[Hubert Flottz]

47. The Word...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoJ108-X9jc&feature=related

[Arugula Latte]

49. I'm sorry, but I don't get how otherwise intelligent people really believe this nonsense.

I mean, seriously, Jesus is going to come back? Yeah, aaaaaany day now. :eyes:

[RagAss]

52. That's where the "otherwise" comes into play.

[Hawkowl]

67. It is possible

If Jesus was abducted by Aliens and has been traveling at close to light speed. Thus he has aged almost not at all compared to the planet Earth. So he could theoretically return after aging virtually not at all.

Of course, I do not believe it. But it is more likely than him dying, rising, and living with a grand fatherly overlord figure in the sky.

However, his philosophy is so endearing, I could see why his followers wish to believe he could never die.

[glinda]

61. vomit

[Mojeoux]

63. Big Whup! n/t