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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:07 PM Original message |
Chicago's merit pay system did not work...new report. Still spreading across nation. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's critical that the study qualifier is included |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. So, prelimary says not working, but long-term, can't tell yet, but let's |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. More like major qualifiers like these should be reported when talking about the study |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Early studies show that republican presidents |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. A+ |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I'm adding a gold star to Proud's A+ |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Deleted message |
madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. What an insulting thing to say. Can't you make a point without rude remarks? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. AFT President: "Students in the majority of TAP schools have demonstrated strong gains". |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. That quote is from Sept of 2009. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Because TAP was already 10 years old when she made the comment. nt |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Randi now stands beside Michelle Rhee and the others... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Tragic. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Tell me, just what is a corporate value? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Profit. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Who is profiting, the school districts, or the teachers? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. The EMOs and CMOs |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. What about the public schools which are adopting TAP? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #34 |
61. I disagree with you, wtmusic. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. The point of implementing something new is to see positive growth. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. There is plenty of positive growth. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #39 |
53. Let's look at the real data for Anderson Open Elementary here. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. But you know what? Under NCLB, traditional schools don't get more time! |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. And/or double standard. Gotta add my "Outstanding!" to the |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. Thank goodness Crist vetoed that awful bill in FL. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. Meanwhile the computer manufacturers insist that kids don't even need school |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. To those who say "give it time"...I agree. Wait to push it on the nation. |
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Spheric (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Amen. K&R |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
5. I find myself having no feeling of surprise at this......... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
8. They just don't get it. A quote from another link. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
9. Bet it's working for the shareholders and that's what matters. n/t |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. That's what it's about. Profit for them. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
11. it`s sad to say that those who have been following.... |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
13. No one who thinks about this issue for 30 minutes |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. No kidding! Name ONE other profession where people are paid based on their performance! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Oh wait, you missed it. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. That's only part of TAP |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. It is the part my OP is about...merit pay and bonuses. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Actually no, it isn't. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I don't think you read carefully. I think it is time. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Well, if you can't take the heat...! |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. How many are paid based on variables beyond their control? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 02:07 AM Response to Reply #22 |
50. Darn near *everybody* is paid based on variables beyond their control. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. Make you a deal. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. You want to be the boss and the employee too. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. You are really out of your area of expertise. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I see, only teachers have the expertise to know how to pay themselves. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 08:44 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I retired. So I'm not required to teach you anything. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Well, then there's the corporate welfare check we give you every year, too. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
23. You guys are going to get tired of hearing this from me but we need to BLAST it: |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #23 |
55. I teach ceramics. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. "I don't like your pot" |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I can't even imagine. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. So many schools have had to cut it. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
32. Why in the world should employees who perform well get paid better than the poor performers? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Merit pay means the students must perform well... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Wrong again. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. At my kids' schools, somehow *everyone* knows who the really good teachers are, |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 07:17 AM Response to Original message |
51. it's easy, if you work in a school in the ghetto |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Great points. And the teachers with "good" students... |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Exactly - *I* get them! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. It does much harm to the ego of kids who are bright but not good test takers. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. those that run the school system dont care about emotions |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. A+ |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
63. Aren't we anti-union if we're anti-merit pay? Isn't that the whole point of unions? |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
66. I teach seniors in high school, almost exclusively. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. "The idiocy of all of this is astounding." |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. If you do make a t-shirt, toss me some bucks. |
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