Just heard Blue Cross radio ad,"Healthcare reform is too complicated for most people to understand"

[old mark]

Over 3,000 pages long - who can understand anything that long? It's designed by bureaucrats, but don't worry, dumb Americans - Call Blue Cross and we will explain the Health Care reform to you and tell you what is best for you...

These fucking frauds sell lies and fear, don't care about their customers as lont as the money comes in...


Fuck you, BCBS.


mark

[Captain Hilts]

1. Sadly, it IS too complicated. BCBS is also creepy. nt

[John Q. Citizen]

5. The problem with health care is we are being ripped off. That's not so complicated, if

you think about it.

[Captain Hilts]

10. Yes, that part is clear. But the so-called 'reform' of it is VERY complicated. nt

[John Q. Citizen]

23. Only if they want to keep ripping us off. As another poster pointed out, Canada's law

was 14 pages in 2 languages.

[Wednesdays]

2. Huh. And all of Blue Cross' policies and documents are that much simpler?

:shrug:

If you think BCBS covers all claims situations in one neat, small, easy-to-read pamphlet, I've got a bridge to sell ya...

[bahrbearian]

3. They should push single payer then.

[Captain Hilts]

11. Weren't even allowed to be at the negotiating table. nt

[Fumesucker]

4. I agree, it's really beyond ordinary mortal comprehension..

There will be loopholes and "gotcha's" found in the bill for years now.

Interesting how Canada managed to do universal health care in only 14 pages, and that was in two languages, English and French.

But then their bill wasn't a gigantic giveaway to the corporations.

[Captain Hilts]

13. Yep. nt

[Heywood J]

22. Indeed.

It just spells out standards of care and what should be covered as conditions of receiving payment from the federal government.

[gratuitous]

6. And thank you, Blue Cross, for making it that way

Single payer would be a lot simpler, easier, more efficient and cheaper. But since Blue Cross insisted on protecting its bloated bottom line, we get 3,000 pages of anti-matter language designed to obfuscate the massive subsidy this bill is for insurance companies and their executives, not a damn one of whom actually does anything to make access to the health care system any easier.

[Captain Hilts]

14. Thank a wimpy Congress for not giving us what Canadians, the elderly and the military have. nt

[DefenseLawyer]

7. I'm just a caveman

Your world frightens and confuses me.

[bvar22]

8. YES! Medicare is much too complicated for all those Old People to understand.

I wonder WHY they like it so much? :shrug:

You may hear some Old People complain about Medicare, but try to take it away from them and see what happens.

[Captain Hilts]

12. That wasn't 'reformed'. Folks still don't understand HCreform. nt

[bvar22]

17. Who said Medicare was "reformed".

:shrug:

My point was that very few Seniors have read & understand the laws establishing and operating Medicare, but are still able to enjoy the benefits.
This real world example refutes the claims BCBS are making in the OP.

Oh, and I DO understand the Democratic Party's betrayal of the American People with their scam "reform".
Health Insurance Stocks are UP!
The "Uniquely American Solution"....indeed.

[phantom power]

9. And the health insurance companies made very very sure it would be complicated.

If they couldn't kill it outright, they could at least put up so many hoops that the end product would be a cluster-fuck.

Heads they win, tails we lose.

[Captain Hilts]

15. They didn't take Single Payer off the negotiating table. Democrats did. Same with Public Option. nt

[John Q. Citizen]

24. They let the Dems know that they wouldn't play ball if single payer or even the

public/private option was included.

[old mark]

16. What really pissed me off is that BCBS advertizes that they will HELP YOU

to understand all you need to know... like I really trust them to look out for my interests...

Unbelievable conmanship....


mark

[hunter]

18. Healthcare would be a lot less complicated without Blue Cross.

Throw the most vile of Blue Cross management into prison, cast off the financial parasites, and merge whatever is left of Blue Cross into a Single Payer National Health Plan.

That'll uncomplicate things.

[newtothegame]

19. Um...that's because it is.

"57% Predict Health Care Plan Will Hurt The Economy"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/57_predict_health_care_plan_will_hurt_the_economy

If it's designed to lower costs, but 57% think it will raise costs, doesn't that mean it's too complicated?

[City Lights]

20. So complicated even they don't understand it.

We had health insurance reform, not health care reform.

Fuck off an die bluecrossblueshield.

[alc]

21. it's true

A lot of decisions will be made over the next few years by insurers, employers, doctors, potential med students, hospitals, regulators, and on and on. All of those decisions will affect those groups and us. Even if no more loopholes are found, there is a lot of variability allowed by the nearly 3000 pages.

If BCBS says they can clear it up for you now, they are lying. None of us will know how it will affect us until some major decisions have been made and things start to settle down. Decisions by any of these groups will alter decisions by others and there will be some cycles.

Will my employer drop coverage and pay the tax/fine?

What will insurers do with all of the people who used to have employer-paid coverage?

Will the feds follow through on the promised cuts?

What will doctors do when faced with 30 million more patients and lower medicare reimbursements?

Since insurers can only make X% profit over cost of medical care will they ENCOURAGE higher medical rates to justify increased premiums and increase their profit?

Will insurance regulators call BS on insurers tactics, or work with them like they did with BP?

If regulators are "tough" will insurers say screw it and only offer supplemental coverage instead of participating in the exchanges?

If regulators force doctors to take lower rates, what will that do to doctors nearing retirement and potential med students' decisions?

Co-pays, yearly/lifetimes maximums, premium cost, difference in premiums between low & high risk pools, what's covered/rationed, and lots of other things are not spelled out very clearly in the bill (or spelled out clearly in one part, but potential loophole or deference to regulators in another). Maybe regulators can keep these things in check, or maybe insurers will "win".