So in 15 years, will Bush be hailed as perfect?

[EstimatedProphet]

We all know Reagan left office a failure. somewhere in the 15 years since he had left office, he became the greatest man that ever lived, second only to Christ. Will the same thing happen to GWB?

[ComerPerro]

1. of course. And they will name everything after him (unless its already named after Reagan)

[wakeme2008]

3. Can't ROFL

They just named an aircraft carrier after his father.... No more Bushs in the Navy. :rofl:

[Lisa]

6. that's why we have hyphens -- stand by for the "Reagan-Bush International Airport"!

And the "Bush-Bush Center for Intelligence".

[corkhead]

8. "Bush-Bush Center for Intelligence" -- Boy, talk about an Oxy-Moran!

[Lisa]

13. can someone help photo-shop this? I want to see how it might look!

http://www.sapphireblue.com/pix/greatest_roadsign_ever/

[baldguy]

31. Given the neocon propensity for new-speak:

It would be a "Bush Center for International Peace" - studying war, of course - and the "Bush Center for Constitutional Studies" - advocating the final implementation of the RW fascist dictatorship in America,

[wakeme2008]

2. there was no WAR going on when Reagon left

Big difference IMHO

[EstimatedProphet]

4. I hope you're right

[Kolesar]

7. yeah, no kidding

The destruction that bush has wrought is orders of magnitude beyond what Reagan did.

[slowry]

24. You're assuming something here...

That the less destructive and evil, the better for the memory of these monsters. I think it's the opposite. Given time, and the right climate, Bush could be remembered as 10 or a 100 times more glorious than Reagan!

[EstimatedProphet]

29. Exactly - that's my point

Reagan may not be all that bad in comparison to Bush, but at the time, many thought he was the worst president ever. Now he's the next step in the evolution of huanity.

[EFerrari]

27. And the nation didn't watch via their teevee a city drown for days

while Reagan raised money at an elite resort, iirc.

[DFW]

5. Only if they figure out an official spelling for "Whatshisname?"

Otherwise, I think this is one 8 year stretch of a Republican White House
they would rather forget.

[madokie]

9. inmate

[EstimatedProphet]

11. You think that's how we'll remember him? We can hope

[madokie]

15. gotta keep the faith so yes I honestly do

if he is not impeached we have lost America, simple as that, IMHO

[EstimatedProphet]

16. OK

[patricia92243]

10. He will be perfect:; and when he dies, he will be even perfecter - a saint in fact.

[Mabus]

12. You mean the Bush Leaguer?

Naw. It'll take a lot longer than that. But frankly, the way things are going, there may be no one left who will remember what happened. I like to think that when historians of the future look to the mainstream/corporate media for answers about Bush's downfall they'll be puzzled at what happened and/or why it took so long.

[MrModerate]

14. Whether Reagan left office a failure . . .

Which is arguable, he certainly wasn't regarded by most of those who'd voted for him as a failure. Despite Iran-Contra, he was considered at least OK as presidents go. After all, they did elect his veep to succeed him, and (as we all know) his veep turned out to be a verrrry weak prez (Gulf War I notwithstanding).

Most people I speak to who thought Reagan was a putz in 1988 still do; his canonization has been driven by conservatives who loathe the current band of incompetent radicals more than they loathed Bill Clinton -- to them Reagan was neither venal (à la Clinton) nor batshit crazy (à la Bush II).

And the Soviet Union *did* conveniently collapse some years after Reagan's tough talk, so he gets credit for "defeating communism."

I suppose it's possible that some miracle would happen in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine that would prove that Bush II was a genius all along, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The fact that he's the author of so many stunningly stupid decisions and bungled initiatives is not likely to be whitewashed in a mere 15 years.

For myself, I think Bush II has a firm -- and permanent -- place in the pantheon of "among the worst" American presidents (along with Buchanan, A. Johnson, Harding, et al), and I don't see rehabilitation in his future.

[EstimatedProphet]

17. I agree that he should be there

But I also think Reagan should have been there, and I remember the poor opinion the country as a whole had of him when he left office. I think in part what happened was that, when Reagan left office, liberals forgot about him but conservatives didn't. so liberals quit focusing on his bad policies, and conservatives kept up with the Reagan was Superman crap they were spouting, and they won because no one argued against them anymore.

[MrModerate]

20. For me a critical distinction would be . . .

Did X's actions lead to Civil War?

Yes (Bush, Buchanan); No (Reagan)

So while I still think Reagan was a putz (and clearly suffering from physical and mental decline in the final 2-3 years of his presidency), I can't put him in the same class of badness as Bush.

However, I will agree that the economic policies Reagan promoted -- which accelerated the current (disastrous) transfer of wealth to the uberrich -- might ultimately be regarded as more damaging than Bush II's follies (although the uberrich probably disagree with that assessment).

But I still really think that the historical effects of Bush's benighted occupancy of the White House will be regarded as much more dire.

[EstimatedProphet]

23. Really, I hope you're right

And certainly he deserves all the bad reputation he gets. I just fear that the same group of liars will make Bush the Punier out to be a superhero the same way they did Reagan, and a compliant media will buy right into it. And if that happens, in 15 years we'll have people talking about what a good president he was. The Repub candidates of 2024 will be holding their debate at the W presidential library, and they'll all line up to get the photo op of them reading My Pet Goat and books by all 3 Shakespeares. Unfortunately, Bush's actual record has little to do with that kind of thing.

[AlCzervik]

18. i don't think so, Bush will be a cautionary tale imo.

[Zywiec]

19. He will never be hailed as anything but a failure

[Just-plain-Kathy]

21. A "failure" who brought down the American Empire.

...He's the best front man any criminal organization could have.

[Zywiec]

22. I think America is more resilient than to be brought down in 8 years

because of Bush. I'm an optimist.

[baldguy]

25. Saint Reagan never made ANY mistakes.

And he won the Cold War single-handed!

[EstimatedProphet]

26. Yeah, I remember hearing that yesterday

[EFerrari]

28. The Latino voter block would have to disagree with that.

Everyone I know either lost someone or knows someone who lost someone because of that pendejo.

[Cabcere]

30. I f&$%ing hope not.

He'll never be hailed as anything better than a lying, murdering jackass by me, anyway - and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. But you never know about the backwashers... :puke: