Police: Girl raped, forced to stand before the congregation to apologize, then relocated

[The Straight Story]

Police: Girl raped, then relocated
13 years later, suspect arrested


After being raped and impregnated by a fellow churchgoer more than twice her age, a 15-year-old Concord girl was forced by Trinity Baptist Church leaders to stand before the congregation to apologize before they helped whisk her out of state, according to the police.

While her pastor, Chuck Phelps, reported the alleged rape in 1997 to state youth officials, Concord police detectives were never able to find the victim. The victim said she was sent to another church member's home in Colorado, where she was home-schooled and not allowed to have contact with others her age. It wasn't until this past February that the victim, who is now 28, decided to come forward after reading about other similar cases, realizing for the first time it wasn't her fault that she had been raped, she told the police.

The police arrested Ernest Willis, 51, of Gilford, last week in connection with the case, accusing him of raping the girl twice - once in the back seat of a car he was teaching her to drive in and again after showing up at her Concord home while her parents were away. He was charged with four felonies - two counts of rape and two counts of having sex with a minor, court records show.

In a statement to the police, the victim said Willis came to her home in the summer of 1997 without warning.

....
"He asked me if I wanted him to take me to a neighboring state where underage abortions were legal . . . and he would pay for an abortion," she told the police. "He then asked me if I wanted him to punch me in the stomach as hard as he could because that might cause a miscarriage."
....

She asked why. "Pastor Phelps then said that (Willis) may have been 99 percent responsible, but I needed to confess my 1 percent guilt in the situation," the victim told the police.

"He told me that I should be happy that I didn't live in Old Testament times because I would have been stoned."

....

http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/police-girl-raped-then-relocated

[Mari333]

1. fundamentalists in every frigging religion

thought I was about to read about saudi arabia..imagine my non surprise.

patriachal religions=woman hatred.

[etherealtruth]

27. "patriarchal religions=woman hatred"

Why do "they" feel the need to prove this true, over and over again :puke:

[HowHasItComeToThis]

35. BEWARE THE CHURCHES

THEY SERVE A LOWER POWER

:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:

[Patchuli]

52. Stop lumping all Christians!!!

That would never happen in the majority of good Christian churches and that is not fair!

Throw this! }( The "LOWER POWER" you speak of is using YOU.

Maybe a bit of tolerance, huh?

[Angry Dragon]

61. I agree with you

However, when are the true Christians going to stand up and say "Enough is enough??"
I know many people that believe in a Jesus Christ and God that promotes love, help of the less fortunate, charity, tolerance, the good things inside people, but you let the ones with the loudest voices quiet you. They try to live a life that Jesus Christ would have a smile and nod for them.
I do not see the true Christians taking back their religion from the ones that are stealing your Christianity.
Unless you stand up then people have no choice except to lump all christians into the same pile because there is only one voice they hear and that is the one that tells them that gays are bad and evil, if you do not believe in god then you are evil and un-American, and any other intolerant thing they can think of.

I need to here the voices of Christians, the ones that are tired of the ungodly christians.

[DesertDiamond]

66. Angry Dragon, this has been on my mind too. Fundies are misrepping Jesus' teachings --

Why are true Christians quiet about it? I know there are true Christians out there because because I know some of them! But they watch people who preach and behave OPPOSITE of Jesus' teachings call themselves "funamenalists" and they say nothing.

[Kalyke]

67. True Christians DO stand up and say that... and so do true Muslims.

The problem is that our media doesn't ever report those voices. They're not titillating enough.

[Maru Kitteh]

95. + 1000

[SemperEadem]

74. well said

no one ever stands up and challenges them---they just whine on message boards when the frustrated vent their stories.

If they took 1/5th of the effort it takes to write a rebuttal to someone venting and stand up to it in their real lives, then perhaps I'd feel differently about it.

[Patchuli]

150. Too bad you weren't in church with me the Sunday

after Bush stole 2004. I spoke up and said our country was in big trouble and I felt that Bush was a Christian in name only.

I don't think what I said constituted a "whine" thank you. I can verbally eviscerate when necessary.

[iamjoy]

86. They Do Stand UP

Devout Christians do stand up against injustice - why do you think they've lobbied so hard to make parental consent laws for abortion? Why do you think they've convinced so many states to make it a crime to take a minor across state lines for an abortion? Why do you think they continue to insist a majority of women having abortions are coerced?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

125. thanks for standing up to further victimize women. Incested impregnated girls love the justice

of parental consent laws.

why don't you fetus crusaders go after boys and men who rape and victimize? Why do you run organizations like Birthright that outright lie to and coerce scared little girls?

when will you devout christians get it that it's an INJUSTICE to sacrifice girls and women to the higher interests of a fetus?

read about El Salvador and the results to women and society of criminalized abortion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/09/magazine/09abortion.html?_r=2
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/34576/
http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=MFyYZV4HzkwySHXTCJLHN9LQ4vhSHZLlWZRNVvx2Xm4TRBKT5Cf4!-1340094148!1748356985?docId=95163450

[iamjoy]

143. Sorry, Forgot

Uh, that was sarcasm - I just didn't use the emoticon.

I'm quite pissed that people put more value on a potential life than a currently living and sentient being.

[wolfgangmo]

131. Why....? Ummmmmm, because they're nuts.

I'm going with Religious wackos for 400, Alex.

[iamjoy]

144. That's Where I Was Going

:applause:

you got the Daily Double.

[Patchuli]

151. I disagree with YOU now

because it is not your place to decide anything for a woman/girl or her body.

I am a liberal Christian. I don't like abortion but I don't like fascism either. Women don't always choose to be 'impregnated' and should not be told they have no choice after such an awful event happens to them. It's not OUR place.

[Patchuli]

152. I wish you had used the sarcasm thingie too

but STOP lumping devout Christians into one pile, would ya please?????????????????????????????????!

[iamjoy]

165. Point Taken

about stereotyping devout Christians. Believe it or not, I usually try not to do that and to remember that there are many Christians who remember more about the love Jesus taught than the other stuff.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity
(charity here means love - not in the romantic sense but is used to refer to love of humanity)

Please accept my humble apologies.

[Patchuli]

168. Thank you and of course I do

That said, I would like to figure out what good souls can do to stop the madness of the demented and soul-less who could perpetrate these kind of sins and crimes and get away with it.

[D23MIURG23]

103. Yeah, and when are the true scotsmen going to stand up?

[Orrex]

124. All true Scotsmen like haggis

[Patchuli]

149. I do stand up

and am a bit outspoken for my own church at times. I am a proud liberal Christian and am sick of these horse's asses with their own agenda hijacking my faith. I am not sure what to do other than to continue to be outspoken.

Bagging on Christians is as stupid as blaming any lump group for the sins of a few idiots.

[Tunkamerica]

64. Until that majority starts condemning things like this

then it is perfectly reasonable to assume they condone.

And I find it interesting that you're more offended that someone is disrespecting Christians than at the terrible events of the article.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

89. very well said. Bravo, or brava, as fits.

[Maru Kitteh]

98. Utter bullshit. The VAST MAJORITY of Christians DO condemn this

Damn inconvenient for the intolerant bigots who look for every opportunity to bash Christians and others around here, but true.

Way to end your bigoted statement with a cheap logical fallacy, btw. Nice touch.

[JoshieR]

101. While the majority may condemn this...

...the loudest voices are those that condone. It's not just this specific case that I am referring to. Many times, groups that trample the rights of American citizens often have Christianity in common and use Christiantiy as the excuse for their oppression of others. Therefore, it's very difficult for non-theistic people to view Christianity in anything other than what we are constantly seeing in the news. It's similar to how many American's view Islam.

[zanana1]

134. Then why did we have to hear from this in places like this...

And not in the mainstream media? If the majority of Christians weren't terified of the fundies in their midst, they'd stand and correct the situation. That means going to the streets if they have to, not just saying "tut, tut" in a liberal website.

[Patchuli]

154. What? So we Christians can bash it out

in the street with the Christians in name only fundies? I think the media should start reporting all sides instead of the loudest and most obnoxious. I note that it is usually men protesting abortion the loudest and/or shooting folks over it. Why doesn't the media cover these things a little more thoroughly? You think I could make the country listen on my own? I gotcher tut tut...

[LiberalLovinLug]

146. Vast?

What are we talking here. Because in the deep dark fundie world, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a small minority that wouldn't think it was at least 1% the girls fault.

In the whole world of Christianity including United, Unitarian, and other more liberal denominations you'd certainly have a vast majority. But its the evangelicals that are growing with their "purpose driven lives" of megachurches and praying to Jesus at Nascar, with their rising stars like Sarah the-second-coming-of-Ruth Palin.

Its a huge organization this anti-christ machine. They are frightening when leeches like Beck and Hannity start proselytizing as well. But still, I want to see some balls, some big swinging love-thy-neighbor balls swung right in their faces.

There is a group called the Red Letter Christians. Meaning they concentrate mainly on the red highlighted words spoken by Christ himself. Giving extra weight to those passages. You know stuff like

"all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them."

“Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”

"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you."

You know, since they call themselves CHRIST-IANS they should really be listening to what CHRIST says.

But the Red Letter Christians is a relatively small group.
I don't see anyone, even a local pastor, go after any of the Right Wing Christian celebrities that are worshiped on television.
I was brought up in that world, and I left being disgusted by the hypocrisy and lack of criticism from the herd about things like sending young men and women into harms way in Iraq based on lies from a President that they instead worshiped as one of their own.

Sorry, any organization where its members are either too scared, too brainwashed by human authority, or too beholden to celebrity to even make the effort to protest, are lost to me, no matter how much the 'vast' majority of them really really really would like to say something.

[Patchuli]

155. This is just your opinion

"I think you'd be hard pressed to find a small minority that wouldn't think it was at least 1% the girls fault." And I call bs.

[wolfgangmo]

132. Sen Paul Welstone said something like this.

That unless we are willing to fight for what we stand for, then at some point we have to admit that we stand for nothing

[Patchuli]

153. You find it wrong too...

I think it is disgusting and despicable. And having been a young girl taken advantage of by the baby brokers of the 1970s that preyed upon young minor mothers, I think I have something invested in this whole conversation.

Why would you possibly decide that this story doesn't horrify me? Maybe you should ask first what I think of the OP.

[Tunkamerica]

160. I responded to the comment you posted

if you felt differently than you said, then it's up to you to say it. I can't read minds.

[Patchuli]

161. I am horrified by the OP

but I responded to the immediate attack on faith. You should have asked how I felt before assuming anything. I'm a woman. I'd have to be one cold creature not to feel for this girl.

[Divine Discontent]

70. exactly - it would not have happened in any of the churches I attended because....

I wouldn't have allowed it to happen.

What a wacky sick perverse 'pastor' this creature is. I am glad she came forward to shame him.

Sadly, there's plenty more where that came from... :(

[TommyO]

85. You're right, most churches would not let this happen

But until "good Christians" speak out en masse against abusive acts like this, all are suspect.

[trotsky]

87. "That would never happen in the majority of good Christian churches and that is not fair!"

How do you know it's not already happening?

[Patchuli]

156. Rape happens anywhere and everywhere

but I would look more toward the Catholic side of Christianity if I were looking for it.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

88. OK,if you insist. The VAST MAJORITY of them. feel better?

Because too many of them practice brainwashing, based on silly hand me down fairy tales about whales being fish, Pi 3, and how rotating crops is a mortal sin. As for that new testament? Jesus christ on a saltine. Just read the history of how that document was mangled for political purposes! Inerrant word of god?

right. and the universe is 6,000 yrs old.

I am filled with tolerance, but when churches start brainwashing the brains of our yute early and often, I grow angry.

[BigD_95]

127. **Just read the history of how that document was mangled for political purposes!**

where did you read this? I have interest.

[Patchuli]

157. You are NOT "filled with tolerance"

if you can actually think that all we Christians think the world is only 6,000 years old. As a matter of fact, you have a limited amount of personal knowledge of Christians if you believe that one.

I believe God created the world and watched it grow. And I don't see any brainwashed "yutes" in my church.

[D23MIURG23]

105. The lower power is an imaginary god who serves only those who preach of him. n/t

[Patchuli]

159. Sorry you feel that way

but I support your right to think so.

Personally, I think you are very, very mistaken. But that's my right too, yes?

[Deep13]

108. How do you know that most churches are free from this?

I do agree that the most repressive churches probably have the highest rates of sexual abuse. Anyway, the poster you are responding to spoke of "churches" not "all Christians."

[kestrel91316]

113. No mainstream Protestant church I've ever attended would do this sort of thing,

putting a member up in front of the congregation to call them out. WTF is with THAT??

CONSERVATIVE, FUNDAMENTALIST Protestant churches do that: Baptists (and not all of them by a long shot, I suspect), Pentecostals in their myriad forms, Assemblies of God, snake handler churches etc etc etc.

Presbyterians and Lutherans and Methodists and such are FAR too bland to EVER engage in such horrible acts. Episcopals and even Catholics don't do it either, nor do Unitarians and Quakers and such.

Mormons might, they do the standing up and "testifying" thing from what I understand. Do not confuse NOISINESS and SELF-PROMOTION among churches with numbers of congregants.

[Deep13]

135. You're right about that. Fair enough. nt

[texastoast]

128. Patriarchal religions do pretty much suck

Just their very fiber. Until women and men are equal in a religion, the religion will suck.

[D23MIURG23]

104. +1

[Deep13]

109. +1

[AnArmyVeteran]

102. Women are lesser creatures in most religions

And not one woman was given the chance to write one word in the Bible. We (men & women) are supposed to be 'all god's children', but women are treated like dirt in a lot of 'faiths'. Women are subservient to men in the Mormon Church and in most fundamentalist churches in the US. The more fundamentalist a church is the more a woman is supposed to endure all of the torture and pain from her husband, because according to them, God makes the man the head of the household. And even if the man is a wife-beating, child abusing monster, the wife must dutifully and obediently do as she is told. She must not rise up against her master, because according to their belief, the man is her superior.

If Christianity fanatics succeeded in turning our country into a theocracy all of our laws would be changed and women would be treated like women in more barbaric countries, or be burned at the stake again like they were in colonial America. If the husband committed adultery then the woman could be killed according to some Islamic beliefs. Barbaric 'religious' acts like female genital mutilation would be forced on little girls in the US, just like they are on other less civilized countries. One of the biggest threats to our country are those who are obsessed with turning our country into a religious dominated society.

I find religion to be fascinating because of how it polarizes people, creating more hatred, division and wars than if people never heard of religion. Face it, religions are man-made institutions filled with man-made rituals, man-made buildings, and man-made agendas. There are a couple of thousand of different church 'brands' in just the US alone. There are that many because even in the Christian world they can't agree on what the Bible really means. Einstein said, "Simplicity is genius". If that were true then 'God' is a blooming idiot, because had god truly been the force that inspired the writing of the Bible it wouldn't be riddled with inconsistencies, misinformation and countless examples of stories no two people can agree on. And it would have been written so clearly and perfectly there would be no possibilities of misunderstanding its contents.

If God wanted to bring people together he did the opposite with the introduction of the Bible. And if God really wanted people to believe he would have commissioned people to write the Bible during the modern age, and had his supposed son 'Jesus' appear when technology could have recorded his every step. By having everything in the Bible written before even the invention of the printing press shows how stupid god really is. The Bible is so complicated even no two of the Biblical scholars could agree on its contents. Yes, if 'simplicity is genius', then the god who wrote the Bible is a complete idiot.

Lastly, I would rather take my chances in the afterlife and not partake in the primitive beliefs of those who believe in the Bible. I know for certain I would not want to spend an eternity with those who profess to be the only true 'christians' today. Spending an eternity with the likes of Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and every other right wing conservative would be total hell.

[EXneoCON]

140. +1000

@ ^

[Angry Dragon]

164. I really like your post

Especially about the confusion and misunderstanding of contents.

[jaksavage]

2. AHHH

I accidently unreced this thread, please forgive me.

The rapist and his co-conspirator, the pastor, need to me stoned. And not in a good way.

[obxhead]

5. no worries, countered.

[rzemanfl]

16. If the mods are reading, how about putting "unrecommend" in

red? I have made this mistake too.

[girl gone mad]

39. Or let people change their votes?

I am an expert at accidental unreccing.

[RedCloud]

100. Just let Die Bold rescue us!

Only kidding. I usually don't rec so now I will rec to have the accuidental unrec get back where the total rec should be

[Patiod]

136. I've done this

and then you always see the conspiracy theorists pour out of the closet, wanting to know what running-dog-corporate-lackey freeper-in-DU-clothing would un-rec a thread! I wonder how many "un-recs" are nothing but klutzes like me trying to rec....

[TheWraith]

17. I was going to say slowly burned to death.

One good rock to the head is far too quick.

[pnorman]

21. "The rapist and his co-conspirator, the pastor, need to me stoned.....'

DE-stoned would be more like it!

Incidentally, I canceled out your un-rec error!

[Scruffy1]

30. could somebody please tell me which state this is in?

Or should I just guess.

[The Straight Story]

31. NH (nt)

[kestrel91316]

114. NH?? WTF????? My guess would have been Kentucky or TN or OK.

[Moosepoop]

32. New Hampshire. n/t

[Mojeoux]

58. Is this the same as Fred "Phelps'" Church, that goes to the funerals of fallen soldiers???

They are despicable enough, and this is how they treat women.??

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[TheWraith]

59. No, it's not.

Different guy, different church.

[Solly Mack]

3. Damn

[Walk away]

4. Ernest Willis will be spending his time in prison converting to Catholicism .....

and studying to enter the priesthood.

[lpbk2713]

6. Pastor Phelps?

Who knew?


:shrug:

[mzteris]

7. Is "Pastor Phelps" being arrested???

He should be. And an investigation into that congregation as to any other girls who "moved away".

[Liberal_in_LA]

29. yep

[TheEuclideanOne]

54. That would be awesome

From reading this story, it is not clear why it would not lead to an arrest of our beloved pastor phelps. I would volunteer to hold the God Hates Pedophiles or God Hates Rapists signs. :)

[kestrel91316]

116. Different Phelps.

[Blue_Tires]

8. how did the victim's parents ever let this pass??

[Mariana]

10. They were members of this church in the first place

because they agreed with its teachings.

[ZombieHorde]

9. Vile. nt

[The Traveler]

11. Makes a Buddhist

think kicking ass is OK from time to time. Them, me, a locked 20x20 cage. That's all I ask.

[Name removed]

36. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[countmyvote4real]

62. Peace. You rock. n/t

[Initech]

12. So the girl had to apologize for BEING raped? Sick motherfuckers!!!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

15. Kinda destroys the argument that Islam is intrinsically worse than Christianity, innit?

I always thought the only difference is that, by means of capricious, random historical circumstances, they are able to get away with more.

[Initech]

19. Yeah it does. I swear our religious fundamentalists are no better than the ones we're fighting.

George Carlin was right - "We could outlaw religion and most of these crimes would disappear in a couple of generations, but we don't have time for rational solutions!"

[burnsei sensei]

48. They are cut from the same cloth.

1. Violence in the scriptures.
2. Violence in the tradition.
3. Backward-looking perspective.
4. Doing what they do in the name of all believers.

I've always thought that the only way to stop these people is to create a counter-movement within the two religions to condemn such behaviors outright.
Puritanism, though, was the last such counter-movement in Christianity and it fizzled out eventually.

[TheMadMonk]

68. Bullshit. Puritanism is very much alive and well and a major part...

...of the problem.

Which is the saner attitude? Condemning a kid for having sex, whatever the circumstances? Or making sure they know the difference between consent and rape?

[burnsei sensei]

142. Your view of Puritanism is narrow.

Errand into the Wilderness
Perry Miller

The Price of Redemption.
Mark A. Peterson

Puritans were not sexually prudish. That is a widely-held misconception about them, and historically it holds no water.

[SemperEadem]

76. and don't forget "boot on the neck of woman"

[GoneOffShore]

123. Or make religion into an eccentric hobby.

That would do it.

I hope.

[Hippo_Tron]

72. I'm sure they would stone her to death if they could get away with it

Saudi Arabia is intrinsically worse than the United States because fundamentalism is law here, but fundamentalism is certainly present in all religions.

[Enthusiast]

79. But what would happen

if fundamentalist Christianity was in complete control of the United States? IMHO, it would become as bad as Saudi Arabia.

[HillbillyBob]

107. That has had Southern Poverty Law worried for

decades. Me too since I have seen into some of the churches by attending. That was long ago, but meeting current members sets off redflags with in seconds of meeting them, usually.
Some fundies dress like 1800s and still carry uzis or have a stashed armory that would cause envy and/or worry for the local Nat Guard .

[kestrel91316]

117. Read Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale for her vision of that possibility.

[Enthusiast]

126. Thanks, kestrel. nt

[Greyhound]

13. "Gimme that old-time religion".

:kick: & R

[Jackpine Radical]

91. OK, you asked for it.

OLD TIME RELIGION

Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
It's good enough for me.

We will pray with Aphrodite,
We will pray with Aphrodite,
She wears that see-through nightie,
And it's good enough for me.

We will pray with Zarathustra,
We'll pray just like we use ta,
I'm a Zarathustra booster,
And it's good enough for me.

We will pray with those Egyptians,
Build pyramids to put our crypts in,
Cover subways with inscriptions,
And it's good enough for me.

We will pray with those old druids,
They drink fermented fluids,
Waltzing naked though the woo-ids,
And it's good enough for me.

We do dances to bring water,
Prepare animals for slaughter,
Sacrifice our sons and daughters,
And it's good enough for me.

I'll arise at early morning,
When my Lord gives me the warning,
That the solar age is dawning,
And it's good enough for me.

[Greyhound]

141. LOL! Thanks.

:rofl:

[yurbud]

14. shouldn't the pastor be arrested for obstructing justice?

[notadmblnd]

18. I don't understand why fanatical christians don't get along with fanatical muslims better

Because they sure seem to have a lot of their religious tenets in common.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

22. Actually they sometimes do.

Didn't they team up to quash some UN women's right resolution some years ago?

[snake in the grass]

75. While they will work together in instances...

...where both will 'benefit' from the cooperation (anti-same sex marriage legislation for example), their fanaticism prevents them from actually joining forces, as each group will inherently look down upon the other as the lesser religion. Don't forget, they have the 'truth'.

[BolivarianHero]

129. They do...

In Ontario, evangelical, Catholic, and Muslim reactionaries ganged up on our cowardly Premier as he tried to make sure that our school children get the objective and comprehensive sexual education that they need and deserve.

Not surprised that Premier McGuinty caved to Charles McVety (Ontario's most prominent religious right activist) and his ultramontane and Islamist allies; McGuinty's always been a coward and a weak leader.

[HipChick]

20. An incident like this happened in my home town when I was a kid

the pastor was the father, had sex with a teen that used to be in our Sunday school group, he had the nerve to stand in front of the congregation and said the Devil made him do it...I never went to church again, and pretty much begun to be an atheist there and then..

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

23. The amount of people that become atheists due to events such as this

are the proverbial silver lining.

[proteus_lives]

24. Disgusting.

That "pastor" should be going to jail too.

[FarCenter]

25. Sounds like there were numerous accessories after the fact as well

They should all be charged.

[Jumping John]

26. Pastor: No cover-up of alleged rape

Pastor: No cover-up of alleged rape
The former pastor of Concord's Trinity Baptist Church says that there was no attempt to cover up the alleged rape of a 15-year-old parishioner in 1997 and that he immediately reported the crime to the police after learning of it."I was the first one to report this to the police, as was my duty. . . . The people who didn't do their job was the Concord Police Department," said Chuck…

http://www.concordmonitor.com/tags/trinity-baptist-church

[EvolveOrConvolve]

28. What a lying son of a bitch

The pastor is equally culpable and should be facing felony indictment for abetting a rapist. Jesus it makes me sick that religious leaders are almost untouchable.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

40. Pastor should be busted for obstruction of justice.

[Odin2005]

33. FUCKING SICK EVIL BASTARDS!!!

God, I HATE religion!!! :grr:

[The Straight Story]

34. I don't hate religion, I detest some of it's followers though (nt)

[bobburgster]

37. Un-freakin-believable....

my wife and I saw this on the news last week. We just looked at each other utter disgust. How in God's name any religion can justify such behavior is beyond my realm of comprehension.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

38. I'm stoned n/t

[Junkie Brewster]

41. Something similar happened to a woman I know

She got pregnant at the age of 17. It was unplanned, but she was not raped. Anyway, after she told her parents she was pregnant, they forced her to go to church, stand up and confess her "sin" to the congregation, and beg forgiveness. Needless to say, she's got some pretty messed up feelings about sex and religion even today.

[Sebastian Doyle]

148. Was it a Baptist church?

I'm only asking because something similar to this also happened in the church I grew up in, and it disgusted me so much that it played a big part in my decision to leave that church permanently.

I wonder if this is a procedure from some right wing Baptist manual or whatever. Because it sure as fuck ain't from the teachings of Jesus Christ. :evilfrown:

[glinda]

42. this stuff leaves me nauseous

[southernyankeebelle]

43. Her parents should of been arrested to. They didn't protect their child.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

63. That's what I don't understand...

Did she tell her parents she was raped, or was she too afraid to? Did they tell her she was to blame, or did they not believe her at all?

[SemperEadem]

77. I'll take "did not believe her at all" for $500, Alex.

How could their upright, god-fearin' church member turn his mind so towards the devil as to enter into such sin? Surely it was the evil, young Eve in our midst who tempted this man into crime and sin with her siren's song of lust, dont'cha know? In order that her parents not be ostracized from their congregation, they threw her under the church bus.

[Aaria]

44. Dear God, Please save me from your followers. nt

[gmoney]

51. +infinity

[Enthusiast]

80. Excellent prayer. nt

[leftyladyfrommo]

45. These are the same people who say its impossible to get pregnant by rape.

Therefore abortions in cases of rape are unnecessary.

[Ilsa]

46. Well, if they had caught her dancing, they would have stoned her.

F&%king baptists.
I grew up as one, so I feel like I can say what I want.

[The Straight Story]

47. I grew up as one as well. I know plenty of fine Christian folks, but some....

Man they just chap me

[Rosa Luxemburg]

49. wicked people (not Christians)

[Nothing Without Hope]

50. archaic paternalism in any form is a horror - this is one example

raped young girls in parts of the middle east may be stoned to death, and there are all too many examples from around the world. This isn't "religion," it's something uglier and more primitive done with religion as an excuse.

[TheMadMonk]

73. Wrong. This IS religion. A sick religion that appeals to a certain type of mind.

This may not be YOUR religion, but by not speaking up openly against those who identify themselves by the same name as you do, you DO own part of the problem.

You might also consider the radical idea that a belief in the lesson of Christ is possible without belief in the story of Christ.

It's not hard. Two rules:

1) All the rules of the past are abolished. (NOT: Selectively reinterpreted to affirm prejudices.)
2) Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. (NOT: as you EXPECT them to do unto you.)


In a nutshell there's the difference between Christians and Christians.

Even those true believers who hew truest to the lesson have a hard time getting their heads around rule 1, because they fail to see that the worthwhile essence of all the old rules are entirely inherrent in rule 2.

[Angry Dragon]

97. You need to make one of the christians a small "c"

Christians vs christians.........for some are very small minded people

[Tunkamerica]

53. This is Concord, NH. Not NC. Correct?

[Mopar151]

78. Correct.

No shortage of fools here, either.

[lovuian]

55. these is just so wrong

Horrible

[ohheckyeah]

56. And just what the hell was her guilt in the whole thing?

What they did to her was evil.

[redirish28]

57. GUILT?!!! Oh this is wrong. Where was this girls parents to allow

her to be treated as such! How come the guy wasn't forced to confess his sin ?!


This is why my wife has given up on "traditional" religion.

[Lars39]

99. They probably did believe her...they just valued the man's life more than

their own daughter's life. I've seen this one happen way too many times. :(

[Angry Dragon]

60. I want to know what is wrong with these people....

Is it that these people put their lives in gods hands that they forget how to think for themselves?? Are just not very bright?? I just do not understand what is going on in this world.

I would go in there and make a large number of arrests. These people are in the same league as the catholic church. I am so angry and mystified by the ignorance of these people.

[Divine Discontent]

71. it is heartbreaking and bewildering...

I believe the devil is in many 'churches', and sadly, people when in large numbers can do stupid things, also, people with authority saying 'this needs done because God says....' have an unhealthy sway over people who don't have the brain capacity apparently, to not be taken in by a cult leader. Your question has been asked for a long time. Just think of Jim Jones... how did those people fall for that? Mind control and abuse.

[Angry Dragon]

122. Then the thought comes to mind

that if this trend is allowed to continue religion will become the downfall and extinction of mankind instead of salvation.

A little ironic ...........

[radhika]

65. Why arent' religions prosecuted under RICO?

Seriously. When you think of the crimes, inquisitions, colonial enslavement, rape, violence and coverups they have perpetrated over the ages they could rightfully be viewed as an umbrella for criminal activities. Not to mention hate crimes and abuse of civil liberties. And they still have legions of 'devotees' willing to stand up for them. Tax deductible money flows to these entities, and their property and income is tax exempt.

Many European nations have secularized their government. Reclaimed church lands. What does it take for America to say ENOUGH. Dismantle the entire cabal under RICO. All faiths, all denominations.

[Enthusiast]

82. That would be the day.

Organized religion is more a sacred cow in this society than the military industrial complex or the insurance industry.

[brendan120678]

139. Fortunately, our Constitution prevents that.

[Dr Morbius]

69. I'm a little confused by something.

To my mind, when an adult has sex with a minor, it's rape. Rape = sexual relations without legal consent. This predator (Willis; lock him up and flush the key!) was charged with two counts of rape AND two counts of sex with a minor. So each crime counts as two crimes?

I don't get this. Why is having sex with a minor even listed as a separate crime?

And shouldn't the church leaders be tried as accessories after the fact? I see no reason why not. This goes beyond offensive; there are laws which appear to have been violated; I am fairly certain transporting a minor over state lines to cover up a felony counts as a felony itself!

[HillbillyBob]

112. Yes under the Mann act

Transporting over state lines for immoral purposes.

[One_Life_To_Give]

118. Give the jury an option

I am guessing that the sex with a minor is thrown in to ensure the guy doesn't walk if the state fails to convince a jury it was (forcible) rape.

They may be able to make a case against the Pastor and/or parent. But probably can't convince a jury that specific members of the congregation had knowledge that a crime had been committed. Sounds like the girl apologized for being pregnant, not for being raped by a guy 40yrs her senior.

[Gormy Cuss]

119. Sometimes there are differences that may make it easier to convict based on a sex with minor charge

If the rape occurred before the age of legal consent there's no need to prove whether the sex was forcible. The other consideration is that in some states the statute of limitations is explicitly longer for sex crimes committed when the victim was a child.

[Dorian Gray]

81. My God

what that church did to that child was abuse. That poor girl. Going through two rapes then being treated like a criminal.

[rucky]

83. Cultists.

Child rape & child trafficking.

[TommyO]

84. "Pastor Phelps" is now at a church in Indianapolis, IN

http://www.colonialindy.org/aboutus/pastoral-staff

[Shining Jack]

90. What a nightmare !

The poor girl...What a bunch of disgusting freaks. :cry:

[CanonRay]

92. Those people in Colorado should be charged with kidnapping

or at least obstruction of justice or accessory after the fact.

[The Backlash Cometh]

93. Oh, so this is how the non-Catholic churches do it.

[left coaster]

96. Yeah, and this is how the woman loving Catholic church does it...

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/church-excommunicates-mother-of-9yearold-rape-victim-ndash-but-not-accused-rapist-14218389.html

[Patchuli]

158. No, this is how THAT 'church' did it....nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

163. Oh, so only Catholic churches have a systemic problem?

[Patchuli]

166. I have no idea nor do you

but I know what I've heard in the news for years now about perverted Catholic priests and I thank God every day that I escaped the 'Church.' I've always thought the Mormon church was just about as sick. So your point is?

Believe what you wish, don't believe what you don't want to believe. If you ever want to hear the Good News, I'll be glad to share it. Somehow, I don't think your mind is open to such.

[SocialistLez]

94. Just horrible. NT

[myrna minx]

106. .

:grr:

[AllyCat]

110. So child sexual abuse isn't limited to the Catolic church? Most of these people are sick

and they hide behind their religion so they don't have to do anything about how sick they are or even admit their "sins" to anyone else. Just Jaysus.

Sick fucks.

[kestrel91316]

111. Frankly, the person in this story who needs stoning is Pastor Phelps.....

[valerief]

115. When I think of religion, I think of this. It always comes to this. Disgusting. nt

[Arugula Latte]

130. Makes your skin crawl, doesn't it?

When I must enter a church (for a wedding), the creepiness of it all just gives me a sick feeling.

[Echo In Light]

120. Ernest Willis, 51, of Gilford = shit stain who deserves every bit of grief he's got coming

[JoeyTrib]

162. They oughta whack off his wiener. NT

.

[and-justice-for-all]

121. religion is revolting...nt

[lsewpershad]

133. This pastor

should be charged with aiding and abetting or covering up a criminal act or something....

[paulkienitz]

137. for a minute I was afraid it was Concord CA, where I'm sitting right now (nt)

[Orsino]

138. Caught smuggling a vagina, she had to apologize.

:mad:

[Rex]

145. I have to admit, I was expecting this story to be about someone in Afghanistan

but how wrong I can be...just more home brewed terrorists freaking out and causing harm to an innocent girl. UGH!

[Incitatus]

147. same mentality, different religion nt

[marshall]

167. More information here

http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/woman-i-was-afraid-to-tell-of-rape

She has had a hard life. She should be proud of herself for coming forward.

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