on KO: Lawrence O'Donnell now calling it a homicide.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

the oil rig explosion.

edit spelling. sorry.

[scheming daemons]

1. 11 counts n/t

[WeDidIt]

2. That would be "homicide"

The term, "homocide" is a derogatory term.

Your thread will be locked if you do not change the spelling ASAP.

[dipsydoodle]

4. I noticed that too.

Oh dear. :(

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

5. done. no offense intended.

[Lerkfish]

6. how tightly wound are you?

geez its a typo.

[Sebastian Doyle]

8. Oddly enough though, the way O'Donnell was pronouncing the word

really DID sound like he was saying "homocide".

Not that he was implying the 11 dead oil workers were gay, nor would it have made a difference if they were. It's just how he said it.

But then homo (as in sapiens) doesn't always refer to sexual orientation anyway. So I'm not sure why you had to go there. :shrug:

[WeDidIt]

17. That's sad.

It's worse than derogatory, IMO, because the primary use of the term for decades was within law enforcement circles, which makes the term that much worse.

Sad.

Just sad.

[donco6]

15. Hardly.

Chillax, dude.

[dipsydoodle]

3. Don't suppose he mentioned

how intent would be proven.

[Lerkfish]

7. such a thing as negligent homicide

[dipsydoodle]

12. aka

manslaughter - in the UK anyway.

[jberryhill]

21. ...and the punchline is

Every state defines and classifies homicides in its own way.

So, once we identify the state in question...

[dipsydoodle]

25. Oh dear

We obviously don't have such issues in the UK other than the fact that England uses common law and Scotland uses Roman law.

[JuniperLea]

11. If you know a safety device or measure is needed to keep people alive...

And you make a conscious decision NOT to employ the safety element, you have made a decision... you are saying that you knowingly put lives at risk.

[dipsydoodle]

14. Then how come

there was, and remains, no requirement for the device to be fitted in the USA whereas there is in Europe. I'm assuming we're talking about the same device.

[JuniperLea]

16. Ask Bush...

This well was his baby... there were allegedly 6 or seven "fixes" that should have been there... clearly some regulatory agency was asleep at the switch.

[dipsydoodle]

24. As far as I'm aware

none of the wells in the Gulf are fitted with those : not just this one. Like I said there simply was no requirement. Blaming Bush after a year and half may not be quite such a good idea.

[napi21]

19. The other damning info is from Schlumberger testimony:

BP contracted Schlumberger (SLB) to run the Cement Bond Log (CBL) test that was the final test on the plug that was skipped. The people testifying have been very coy about mentioning this, and you’ll see why.
SLB is an extremely highly regarded (and incredibly expensive) service company. They place a high standard on safety and train their workers to shut down unsafe operations.
SLB gets out to the Deepwater Horizon to run the CBL, and they find the well still kicking heavily, which it should not be that late in the operation. SLB orders the “company man” (BP’s man on the scene that runs the operation) to dump kill fluid down the well and shut-in the well. The company man refuses. SLB in the very next sentence asks for a helo to take all SLB personel back to shore. The company man says there are no more helo’s scheduled for the rest of the week (translation: you’re here to do a job, now do it). SLB gets on the horn to shore, calls SLB’s corporate HQ, and gets a helo flown out there at SLB’s expense and takes all SLB personnel to shore.
6 hours later, the platform explodes.

http://www.healingphilosophy.com/2010/05/bp-deepwater-horizon-disaster-what.html

To me, that info damns BP for INTENT!

[JuniperLea]

26. I heard about this on the radio this morning!

They absolutely had intent to put the workers and the gulf in deadly danger!

BP needs their assets frozen...

[laughingliberal]

28. I've seen that story about SLB reported & am shocked it's not gotten more attention. nt

[KittyWampus]

23. IIUC, it's not about the precautionary measure. It's about BP Executives ordering work to continue

AFTER things were found to not be going properly.

[Sebastian Doyle]

13. Well, there is the matter of BP execs being on the rig just before the explosion.

And if they fled the premises, knowing that the lives of the workers were in jeopardy with no attempt to evacuate them, that certainly would not look good.

Not to mention the whole question of all the "cost cutting" measures.... the switch they refused to install, the bad cement job, etc, etc.

Clearly there should be an investigation here. And I'm not talking about a "bipartisan commission" whitewash, but something involving some actual law enforcement.

[jberryhill]

9. Well that is pretty much devoid of meaning

"Homicide" is the killin of a person.

It can be accidental, negligent, reckcless, or any of the various intentional sorts of homicide usually termed "murder" in one of several degrees. States define them and name them differently.

Did Mr. Odonnel perhaps refer to any particular sort of homicide?

[lostnfound]

18. There were 11 people killed, seems like negligent homicide to me.

Especially if it's true that the Schlumberger people evacuated in a hurry over safety concerns.

[jberryhill]

20. Then the interesting question is

In which state did this happen?

[lostnfound]

22. The rig was registered as a Marshall Islands rig

so there is one jurisdiction. There could be others.

[Dr Fate]

10. Sounds far left.

And we dont take to kindly to no far lefts in these here parts.

[laughingliberal]

27. Have to agree. nt