***OBAMA SENDING TROOPS TO THE BORDER***

[dgibby]

Breaking on CNN. More to follow asap. At least 1200 troops to be sent to US/Mexico border.

[Renew Deal]

1. For what?

[dgibby]

6. Good question.

I think it's in response to a request by Arizona, but don't want to state that as fact. CNN is working on the story now. He's also asking Congress for mega money to fund the operation.

[redqueen]

22. Re-starting Bush admin program.

In 2006, President George W. Bush sent thousands of troops to the border to perform support duties that tie up immigration agents. The troops wouldn't perform significant law enforcement duties.

That program has since ended, and politicians in border states have called for troops to be sent there to curb human and drug smuggling and prevent Mexico's drug violence from spilling over into the United States.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100525/ap_on_re_us/us_national_guard_border_3

[Cal Carpenter]

143. Oh, a Bush admin program

That explains it. Cuz that's what we elected him to do.

Jaysus.

[msanthrope]

149. Was it Operation JumpStart? n/t

[DesertRat]

142. To the Arizona-Mexico border

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and a bipartisan group of border state lawmakers in Congress have been urging Obama to send in National Guard troops to respond to the high-profile violence along the U.S.-Mexico border. More than 20,000 Mexicans have died in drug-related violence, and Arizona law enforcement
officials have complained of increased home-invasion robberies and other crime in the state's border towns.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/25/20100525president-obama-troops-arizona-mexico-border.html

[golddigger]

2. Did Mexico invade?

[dgibby]

11. Why would they want to?

My nephew and his wife just moved TO Mexico, so maybe we're invading them!:evilgrin:

[EFerrari]

20. Maybe they can sponsor me! I can teach English and haggle.

lol

[dgibby]

49. Get in line behind me! lol!n/t

[walldude]

13. Yeah.. they ran over here and started cleaning everything

and mowing lawns, now we can't get rid of em'.



Nice to know Obama is listening to the brilliance that is John McCain. I'm sure this will stem the giant overwhelming tide of illegal housekeepers and gardeners. :eyes:

[EFerrari]

26. Most of whom have been going in the other direction since before the crash.n/t

[phusion]

3. They need to go to the Gulf

to put BP in line and fix the oil spill disaster.

[bdamomma]

or get oil tankers to suck that crap out of water. Saudi Arabia did it

why can't we?

[tomm2thumbs]

18. +1,200

for good measure

[inna]

110. +3,600

:fistbump:

[tomm2thumbs]

144. u win!

and I agree

[readmoreoften]

23. Fuck the oil spill! The Mexicans are coming! The Mexicans are coming!

What about more troops at the Canadian Border? Or has the corn industry not fucked with their economy the way it's fucked with Mexico's?

[Better Believe It]

46. No! No! We've got to stop those Mexican terriorists from sneaking across the border first!

[smirkymonkey]

98. Last I heard, they were sneaking across the border to get the hell

out of HERE. Our economy is so bad and our right-wingers so hostile, they are preferring to take their chances back home.

[amborin]

119. +1000

[joeybee12]

4. Yup, when right-wing assholes complain...

Obama listens...face it people, we're just not on his speed dial.

[Cant trust em]

9. Do you even know what this is about? nt

[readmoreoften]

30. Yes. It's about "scarey mexycans comin' cross our border to rape the American woman and still the

American job." :sarcasm:

What? You think we're suddenly in a border war with the Mexican government? :eyes:

[blondeatlast]

32. +a bunchety bunch. Well put, amigo(a?) nt

[readmoreoften]

60. amiga ;)

But amig@ will do too.

[Cant trust em]

34. nevermind.

[blondeatlast]

5. Which border? nt

[uncle ray]

8. i guess we should be glad it's not the "other" one.

yet.

[dgibby]

21. Arizona/Mexico.

I put it in the op as Us/Mexico, but specifically, it's in response to a request from Arizona.

[blondeatlast]

25. If he's really listening to the likes of Jan Brewer, John McCain, and JD Hayworth,

I'm working for a primary opponent. I'm an Arizonan--there isn't a problem. Period.

[IndianaJoe]

7. Wow...I read this and thought...Korea? n/t

[dgibby]

54. Sorry!

I put the location in the op, but not in the headliner.

[MyNameGoesHere]

10. Well he now has done everything

bush did. Congratulations president Obama.

[inna]

150. poignant graphic.

He hasn't done quite "everything", but it looks like he's getting there, in fact he might go to the territories previously considered unavailable - but not uncharted, and very much coveted by the RW for a long time.

Perhaps it will take a Democratic admin to fulfill the RW's long-standing objectives (such as dismantling social safety network and going back to the depravities of the out-of-control capitalism).

[Mika]

12. CNN also says that Obama is requesting an extra 1/2 billion for enhanced border security.

Here we go.

---

[EFerrari]

61. What a farce. BushCo, free, WallStreet, rewarded, BP, in charge.

But the fake invasion from Mexico, handled!

[amborin]

113. +1000 once again, assuaging republicans trumps all,

and at such expense to humanity and the environment

[bullwinkle428]

151. *cough*Grenada*cough*

:evilgrin:

[inna]

114. OMFG.

:banghead:


This is hopeless.



Meanwhile, the vital social services are being cut, in my state and in my city for one (I'm sure in many other places across the country as well), and BP continues its ecological/environmental terrorism (because that's what that amounts to at this point).



We_are_fucked.

[pinboy3niner]

128. Under Obama, border security already has doubled and deportations have increased

Plus, Mexican immigrants have been flooding BACK to Mexico. These new responses seem to be designed more to deal with mistaken public perceptions than the reality on the border.

[William Z. Foster]

14. watch

All of the libertarian arguments people are using here to fight against federalizing the response to the disaster in the Gulf will somehow not apply to this issue.

[inna]

120. I was just thinking the same thing.

Shakes head in disbelief. It's the timing of this "response" that sort of blows my mind; could they be any more in-your-face about it?

[EFerrari]

15. Is this a joke?

[blondeatlast]

17. God, I hope so. Still nothing on CNN site. nt

[walldude]

19. My first thought as well...

then my second was... why would I even think that anymore. Nothing should surprise me.

[dgibby]

28. No, it's not a joke.

Rick Sanchez just reported it as breaking news. I flipped to MSNBC and they're reporting it,too.

I WISH it was, but it's not.

[EFerrari]

38. This is how they decided to get focus off of the Gulf.

Disgusting.

[readmoreoften]

35. No. More like a nightmare.

[EFerrari]

48. He's sending troops to the border where they are not needed

to distract from the Gulf where they might be useful. Or, that's how it reads to me.

[readmoreoften]

62. Well, he'll get his right wing "swing voters" and he thinks we'll vote for him out of desperation.

I hope he's wrong. I will not. No way. But I'm sure many will be manipulated into voting for him. He's a fucking unmitigated disaster. As the turn-of-the-century lefties would've called him: a "Social Opportunist".

[EFerrari]

68. I'm done. Validating Brewer's war on Latinos is the very last straw.

[krabigirl]

153. Yep...horrific. And I remember being crucified here during the primaries ro

for not being into Obama at all...

[blondeatlast]

16. I've been considered a cheerleader, but if this is true, this Arizonan says to hell with him. nt

[dgibby]

36. Well, if he's sending them there to load up sand

to take to the Gulf to build berms, I'd be a very happy camper, but that's not what's going on, sadly.

[readmoreoften]

65. Thanks for being for people. I don't care how much someone likes Obama or not.

It just bothers me when his victory is put above the interests of average people. For me it's all about honestly assessing the situation. Thanks for your honesty.

[redqueen]

24. Here's a link. There are a few avaialble.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100525/ap_on_re_us/us_national_guard_border_3

[dgibby]

37. Thanks! n/t

[EFerrari]

43. Thank you, redqueen. n/t

[Xicano]

27. ABC News Report: "Lawmaker: Obama to Send 1,200 Troops to Border"

Arizona congresswoman says Obama to send up to 1,200 troops to US-Mexico border.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=10740653

[dgibby]

40. Thanks for the link. n/t

[EFerrari]

50. Thank you. n/t

[Smashcut]

154. Also on NYT now:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/us/26border.html

President Obama will send up to 1,200 National Guard troops to the Southwest border and seek increased spending on law enforcement there to combat drug smuggling after demands from Republican and Democratic lawmakers that border security be tightened.

The decision was disclosed by a Democratic lawmaker and confirmed by administration officials after Mr. Obama met on Tuesday with Republican senators, several of whom have demanded that troops be placed at the border. The lawmakers learned of the plan after the meeting.

But the move also reflected political pressure in the president’s own party with midterm election campaigns under way and with what is expected to be a tumultuous debate on overhauling immigration law coming up on Capitol Hill.

...

Democrats and Republicans who agreed with the move rushed to take credit for it, including Ms. Brewer, who said her signing of the new Arizona law had pushed the administration.

“I am pleased that President Obama has now, apparently, agreed that our nation must secure the border to address rampant border violence and illegal immigration without other preconditions, such as passage of ‘comprehensive immigration reform,’ ” she said.

This is total validation of Brewer and that odious law in Arizona. Unbelievable.

[meow mix]

29. while the gulf is dying we send troops to arizona

im gonna have to take my obama stickers off im getting embarassed to go anywhere

[EFerrari]

33. We're sending troops to Arizona to wave good-bye to the departing immigrants.

#3 (I don't even recognize this country any more.)

[global1]

31. Is This A Caving In To The Right Wing Calls For More Border Protection.......

and a capitulation to McCain? Why does this administration give in to all of these talking points that these Right Wingers throw at them?

[EFerrari]

42. They needed to change the headlines.

And it will work.

:puke:

[butterfly77]

39. Maybe we can get the troops from ..

Afghanistan and Iraq,so we can start to withdraw even quicker..

[Better Believe It]

41. Oh wonderful. Can we build a Berlin like wall soon?

[grantcart]

44. AP story quoting Rep Giffords

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4397664


PHOENIX -- The Obama administration plans to announce Tuesday that it will send as many as 1,200 National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border to improve border security, an Arizona congresswoman said.

Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords also said in a statement released Tuesday that President Barack Obama will request $500 million in funding for border security.

Part of Giffords' district borders Mexico.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer's spokesman said the governor hadn't been told of the move prior to her office being contacted by The Associated Press and had no immediate comment.

In 2006, President George W. Bush sent thousands of troops to the border to perform support duties that tie up immigration agents. The troops wouldn't perform significant law enforcement duties.








A PR move that has no operational value

[EFerrari]

55. And that puts people in harm's way. n/t

[grantcart]

72. No it puts them in the middle of a hot desert

They will not actually be used to confront migrants.

[EFerrari]

75. You don't know that. And you do know that when you send armed people

anywhere, those arms have a way of going off.

Plus, this validates Brewer -- who is actually facing the economic fallout of immigrants LEAVING Arizona, not coming in.

Shame on Obama.

[grantcart]

84. I agree with your points that is a bad move

I also know that neither the National Guard nor the Border Patrol wants untrained uncoordinated armed people wandering around discharging their weapons.


As in the past it will:


In 2006, President George W. Bush sent thousands of troops to the border to perform support duties that tie up immigration agents. The troops wouldn't perform significant law enforcement duties.


To actually deploy troops with live ammunition would require, among other things, rules of engagement and they are not going to have troops who have not been trained in law enforcement engaging suspects.

Your right that it is a bad move, but they will not be operationally engaged, something that the Pentagon itself would be 100% opposed to.

[DJ13]

45. You guys (and gals) are missing something

Maybe this isnt to keep Mexicans out, maybe its to keep us IN.



:think:

:silly:

[Autumn]

126. Oh God

I would have thought that with Bush, now I am thinking that about Obama. I guess it's time to don my tin foil hat again. I was sooo happy when I took it off.

[Bluebear]

147. whoa!

lol

[lib2DaBone]

47. Whatever the Republican Wingnuts want...

When the DEMS want something... it's bargained away... "No Can Do".

[agent46]

51. Anyone know?

Anyone know what the disaster in the Gulf is about to do to Mexico?

[EFerrari]

58. If he was really worried about Mexico, he should have sent BP.n/t

[inna]

124. You know, I was wondering about that too. It's probably going to be devastating to Cuba, as well.

The whole thing is so screwed up. :(

[Better Believe It]

52. Remember the Alamo! President Obama is taking charge and showing leadership again!

[golddigger]

53. ***BREAKING NEWS***

Housekeepers and caregivers massing on the border! Updates to follow!

[paparush]

56. What is their mission? What are their Rules of Engagement?

The border's total length is 3169 km (1969 miles) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_%E2%80%93_United_States_border)

What is "less than one troop per mile" going to accomplish (other than caving in to right wing lunatics)?

[harun]

66. You answered your question. Their mission is to make RW lunatics happy.

[EFerrari]

76. It's going to change the headlines from the gulf.n/t

[Individualist]

57. This must be more of that "change you can believe in".

[dgibby]

59. McCain is calling for 6,000 troops

to stop human and drug smuggling (I think he's talking about the entire border, not just Az).

[EFerrari]

63. If they want less traffic and violence at the border, they should withdraw the DEA.

It's worked everywhere else they were kicked out.

[FarCenter]

64. What good is a $500 billion / year DoD if it can't keep people from walking into the country?

[EFerrari]

69. Thank goodness our troops will be protecting us from nannies and gardeners.

USA!

[madmax]

73. And don't forget those terrorist

cleaning people with spray bottle of WINDEX!!!!!!! :scared:

[readmoreoften]

70. Is that what our DOD is for? To make us a walled nation?

If you're so afraid, why not surround both borders. The brown people you're so afraid of can also enter from Canada.

[FarCenter]

86. Between the lower 48 and Alaska, we've got the Canadians surrounded

I haven't noticed any mass migration of Canadians into the US. If anything, maybe the net migration is the other direction. Although the requirements for immigration in Canada are pretty stringent -- they don't just let anybody in.

[blondeatlast]

89. And yet the first WTC bombers entered through Canada. nt

[FarCenter]

93. Terrorists can enter via any route

They are not economic immigrants.

[Catherina]

67. I'm dumbfounded Rec'd for visibility

:puke:

[Bluebear]

146. .

[Xicano]

71. SOMOS LOS QUE LUCHAMOS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7smZfjRoG0

[tekisui]

74. I don't like this.

[blondeatlast]

78. And defy the all-knowingness of JD Hayworth, John McCain, Jan Brewer, and a few dozen fat, bored

retirees?

I've been a fan, but this Arizonan is major furious about this wasted PR effort.

[sinkingfeeling]

77. Just putting the 2006 program of Bush's back. Where or where are those 'small government' protests?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37340747/ns/us_news-security/

In 2006, President George W. Bush sent thousands of troops to the border to perform support duties that tie up immigration agents. The troops wouldn't perform significant law enforcement duties.

That program has since ended, and politicians in border states have called for troops to be sent there to curb human and drug smuggling and prevent Mexico's drug violence from spilling over into the United States.

[Starry Messenger]

79. I can't wait to hear the "pragmatic" gyrations on this one.

Have we jumped the shark yet?

[dgibby]

80. Only the dead one floating around in the Gulf. n/t

[blondeatlast]

81. Even if it's a PR thing, why for a gawddamned UNELECTED REPUBLICAN

governor, as well as playing right into John McCain and JD Hayworth's rhetoric?

Not to mention--I've lived in AZ for forty years--there is no threat. :mad::mad::mad:

[Name removed]

82. Deleted message

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

83. ZOMG!

:eyes:

[dgibby]

85. Thanks to all of you who have responded, recommened this thread.

I'm not abandoning ship, but I have to go pick up my new Kitteh! Yea! Carry on!

[inna]

127. congrats on your new Kitteh, and thanks for the thread

:hug:

Maybe, you can post pics or something when you bring him/her back?... Positive/good news are in shortage lately. :(

[dgibby]

139. Thanks.

He is soooo cute (and sweet), but a little overwhelmed by the attention he's receiving from his big cocker spaniel puppy brother! I'll post pics in the lounge later, once he's had a chance to acclimate to the asylum!

[NNN0LHI]

87. Seen about 50 desert camouflaged military Humvees heading south on rail cars last week

Was wondering what those were for?

Don

[ohheckyeah]

88. Oh good grief.

Seriously? So, he's validating the morons in AZ by sending troops.

[EFerrari]

97. Yes. That's exactly what he's doing. nt

[Bluebear]

102. Unreal.

Not surprising but unreal.

[EFerrari]

104. I will never again claim that Republican use illegal immigration

for politics.

And I'll never complain that Latinos don't get out to vote.

[Bluebear]

90. Validate those bigots, Mr. President, while the Gulf dies.

[EFerrari]

96. You're right. It's a two-fer.

[MadHound]

91. Great, another president shredding the Posse Comitatus Act

More of that whole change thing I suppose:eyes:

[Bluebear]

100. +++

[William Z. Foster]

130. right

And this is the same administration that claims its hands are tied on responding to the catastrophe in the Gulf.

[redqueen]

131. These Nat'l Guard troops will be on federal property won't they?

And under the control of the governors of the states where they're sent, right?

So... ?

[msanthrope]

148. Please don't inject fact into this.....n/t

[dgibby]

133. No, he's sending the National Guard, not AD.

I just posted what was available on the news at the time. They didn't identify the troops as the Nat. Guard until later. Sorry if I misled you, but it was all I had to go on at the time.

[Renew Deal]

92. Will congress support this?

Are there votes for this in house?

[TheKentuckian]

94. Grrr

[Bluebear]

95. Si, se puede!

[jtrockville]

99. Any mention of how many drones he'll send?

[xiamiam]

132. not much will surprise me..all the WTF moments have been used up..nt

[newtothegame]

101. Shouldn't have taken the AZ law to wake the federal government up.

The AZ law is wrong, but the federal government was wrong first, for abandoning these states.

[EFerrari]

103. That's simply untrue. Our AZ border has never been more secure

and ICE has never been more active there.

[newtothegame]

105. Tell that to this guy...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/24/us/24border.html

Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.

His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally."

ed, wrong link

[Flaneur]

106. Crime is DOWN in Arizona, or Anecdotes vs. Statistics

http://mediamatters.org/research/201004290029

From the link above:

Crime rates in Arizona at lowest point in decades. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), the violent crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available -- than any year since 1983. The property crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 than any year since 1968. In addition, in Arizona, the violent crime rate dropped from 577.9 per 100,000 population in 1998 to 447 per 100,000 population in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,997 to 4,291 during the same period. During the same decade, Arizona's undocumented immigrant population grew rapidly. The Arizona Republic reported: "Between January 2000 and January 2008, Arizona's undocumented population grew 70 percent, according to the DHS report. Nationally, it grew 37 percent."

Crime rates have dropped during past decade in other border states. The BJS data further show that violent crime rates and property crime rates in California, New Mexico, and Texas dropped from 1998 through 2008 -- the most recent year from which data are available:

•In California, the violent crime rate dropped from 703.7 in 1998 to 503.8 in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 3,639.1 to 2,940.3 during the same period.
•In New Mexico, the violent crime rate dropped from 961.4 in 1998 to 649.9 in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,757.7 to 3,909.2 over the same period.
•In Texas, the violent crime rate dropped from 564.6 in 1998 to 507.9 in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 4,547 to 3,985.6 over the same period.
Cato's Griswold: "t is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona." In an April 27 post, Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, wrote that "Arizona's harsh new law against illegal immigration is being justified in part as a measure to combat crime" and that "drug-related violence along the border is a real problem." But, Griswold continued, "it is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona." From Griswold's post:

Arizona's harsh new law against illegal immigration is being justified in part as a measure to combat crime. The murder of an Arizona rancher in March, allegedly by somebody in the country without documentation, galvanized support for the bill.

The death of the rancher was a tragedy, and drug-related violence along the border is a real problem, but it is a smear to blame low-skilled immigrant workers from Latin America for creating a crime problem in Arizona.

The crime rate in Arizona in 2008 was the lowest it has been in four decades. In the past decade, as the number of illegal immigrants in the state grew rapidly, the violent crime rate dropped by 23 percent, the property crime rate by 28 percent.

[EFerrari]

108. You can't be serious. An anecdote from the Moonie Times?

Holy crap.

[blondeatlast]

109. The Moonie Times. I'm so convinced now.

:eyes:

[EFerrari]

112. LOL! I knew that @sshole's name was familiar. This is your hero, right here:

Arizona Vigilante Roger Barnett Found Liable
February 19th, 2009

Earlier this week our friends at the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF) reported that an Arizona jury found Roger Barnett, a vigilante rancher on the border between Arizona and Mexico, liable for assaulting and intentionally inflicting emotional distress on a group of immigrants he found on public land. Barnett, armed with a gun and a dog, held several women at gunpoint, kicking one of the unarmed women and threatening to shoot or have his dog attack anyone who tried to leave. The women plaintiffs were awarded $73,352 in damages.

Unfortunately, this is not the first time that Barnett has done this. Barnett has a history of racial assault. In 2004, he held the Morales family at gunpoint, this time armed with a semi-automatic military-style assault rifle. Yelling racial slurs, Barnett threatened to kill them. The family and the friend accompanying them on their hunting trip were all U.S. citizens. In September 2008, they were awarded close to $100,000 in damages by the Arizona Supreme Court.

While we are encouraged that Barnett has had to pay a price for his predilection for racial assaults, one has to wonder how much money Barnett is willing to spend before he stops and how many similar attacks have gone unreported.

Read the full text of MALDEF's press release below.

http://www.wecanstopthehate.org/site/latest/arizona_vigilante_roger_barnett_found_liable_for_assaulting_and_intentional

Thanks goodness this nutcase is keeping America safe from little brown women!

:woohoo:

[blondeatlast]

121. If it wasn't reported in the Washington Times, it can't be true, can it?

Only reverend Moon has the Truth and he and his minions have no bias and nothing but love and charity toward their fellow man...

[Forkboy]

138. You're just new to the game.

[Truth2Tell]

155. Can I just say thank you Forkboy

for all the times you've cracked me up. :)

[blondeatlast]

122. I see you switched your reference, recognizing outright bias when it's pointed out to you. nt

[TransitJohn]

107. Chess Move®

Politically calculated most certainly. Look for the administration to roll out the Bush immigration reform plan soon.

[ima_sinnic]

111. wouldn't it be cheaper just to legalize marijuana?

Mexican "drug smuggling problem" solved!

[EFerrari]

115. Mexico already did. nt

[Flaneur]

117. Well, actually, they only decriminalized small amounts...

...of ALL drugs.

But, of course, the black market and all the wealth, corruption, and violence it generates remains.

[EFerrari]

118. Well, you're right. I stand corrected. n/t

[redqueen]

134. Which is exactly why decriminalization is not the way to go.

Unless, of course, the violence and the prison industrial complex and all the dirty money floating around is something you count as a positive.

[flvegan]

116. Vid/story link now on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/25/obama.border.security/index.html?hpt=T1

[Tailormyst]

123. WTF?

I really can't say anything beyond that that would not get deleted.

NOT what I voted for.

[pampango]

125. Progressive Caucus: Minimize the militarization of our border communities

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?ContentID=205&ParentID=0&SectionID=93&SectionTree=93&lnk=b&ItemID=203

Border Security and Law Enforcement
• Uphold the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in immigration laws.
• Minimize the militarization of our border communities and respects local residents that live along the border.
• Oppose the use of state and local police for immigration law enforcement.
• Ensure immigration enforcement is humane and does not violate the human rights of our communities or tear families apart.
• Oppose ICE raids that unfairly target particular ethnic groups, violate basic due process principles, and negatively impact U.S. citizen children.

[xiamiam]

129. more INSANITY...nt

[Swamp Rat]

135. We need them here in Louisiana!!!!!

What a goddamn shame! :thumbsdown:

[Bluebear]

137. Sorry, must grandstand politically.

[Cali_Democrat]

136. Hyper-dimensional political chess

It's a shame that people here can't understand that concept.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

140. ¡Choque y temor! ¡Fúmelos hacia fuera! (Shock and Awe! Smoke 'em out!)

[Dr Fate]

141. That's what the far right has been saying we should do for years.

Those crazy, far left hippies say that if we target the employers who hire them with massive fines, we could shut down most illegal immigration in a reasonable time.

BUt our clear eyed conservati-err, I mean "centrist" DEMS know better- and so does the Chamber of Commerce!

LOL! What do those far-lefts know? They get everything wrong. Just look at how they opoposed Bush & the Iraq war, for instance.

Those idiots have even wasted the past 40 years by constantly suggesting that we research & fund alternate energy.

LOL! Those, silly, silly far lefts. Thank god our conservat...er, I mean "centrist" DEMS know that Rush is right!

[Bluebear]

145. +

[Smashcut]

152. This? THIS is the fucking issue he decides to be decisive on?

Oh right, it's poor people who need to be "dealt with," not billionaires. Gotcha.

This guy will not get another vote from me, period.

[readmoreoften]

156. Nor I.

I held my nose the first time. Even if they ran Palin, I wouldn't vote for Obama. Without his speechwriters, he's got all the charisma of a weather balloon that always floats center-right. I'm voting for a leftwing candidate next time. I don't care what party and I don't care what chances he or she has. I'm not voting for war-accelerating, immigration-bashing, corporate pandering, Vatican-pedophile enabling, LGBT back-stabbing, mountain top-removing, American-abroad assassinating, secretive, health-insurance mandating, Goldman Sachs cabinet-having candidates anymore. If I'm going to suffer under right-wing politicians, let them at least be honest about their affiliations. Let's at least have things properly defined.