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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:43 PM
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Could Obama use the National Emergencies Act to take over from BP?
This disaster is man-made, ongoing and threatening the life and well-being of the people and the economy of the Gulf States with no end in sight. If this isn't a national emergency, I don't know what is.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/98-505.pdf

--snip from CRS1--
Under the Powers delegated by such statute, the President may seize property, organize and control means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the means of free enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens.
--snip--

Now obviously, President Obama doesn't need most of those powers in this particular oil disaster situation.

--snip--
The Emergency Concept
Relying upon constitutional authority or congressional delegations made at
various times over the past 200 years, the President of the United States may exercise
certain powers in the event that the continued existence of the nation is threatened by
crisis, exigency, or emergency circumstances. What is a national emergency?

In the simplest understanding of the term, the dictionary defines an emergency
as“an unforeseen combination of circumstances or the resulting state that calls for
immediate action.”
10 In the midst of the crisis of the Great Depression, a 1934
Supreme Court majority opinion characterized an emergency in terms of urgency and
relative infrequency of occurrence as well as equivalence to a public calamity
resulting from fire, flood, or like disaster not reasonably subject to anticipation.11 An
eminent constitutional scholar, the late Edward S. Corwin, explained emergency
conditions as being those “which have not attained enough of stability or recurrency
to admit of their being dealt with according to rule.”12 During congressional
committee hearings on emergency powers in 1973, a political scientist described an
emergency in the following terms: “It denotes the existence of conditions of varying
nature, intensity and duration, which are perceived to threaten life or well-being
beyond tolerable limits.”
13 Corwin also indicated it “connotes the existence of
conditions suddenly intensifying the degree of existing danger to life or well-being
beyond that which is accepted as normal.”
14

There are perhaps at least four aspects of an emergency condition. The first is
its temporal character: an emergency is sudden, unforeseen, and of unknown
duration. The second is its potential gravity: an emergency is dangerous and
threatening to life and well-being. The third, in terms of governmental role and
authority, is the matter of perception: who discerns this phenomenon? The
Constitution may be guiding on this question, but not always conclusive. Fourth,
there is the element of response: by definition, an emergency requires immediate
action, but is, as well, unanticipated and, therefore, as Corwin notes, cannot always
be “dealt with according to rule.”
From these simple factors arise the dynamics of CRS-5.

While some might argue that the concept of emergency powers can be extended to
embrace authority exercised in response to circumstances of natural disaster, this dimension
is not within the scope of this report. Various federal response arrangements and programs
for dealing with natural disasters have been established and administered with no potential
or actual disruption of constitutional arrangements. With regard to Corwin’s
characterization of emergency conditions, these long-standing arrangements and programs
suggest that natural disasters do “admit of their being dealt with according to rule."
--snip--

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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:47 PM
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1. I think if its not this it has to be something else
The BP response has been beyond dysfunctional and it is time for the government to take it over and open up the door for help from around the world.

Once the government and help get it we will fully understand that BP has been beyond criminally negligent in it's actions.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:51 PM
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2. Does the Government have an emergency system with the types
of equipment necessary to work on damaged Oil Rigs???
I do not think so.

The Law reads Oil Companies are responsible for their
accidents.

While this is a most frustrating circumstance, what can
the Government do????



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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:00 PM
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3. nationalize the assets they need
They can "take" anything from BP they need. Ultimately they'll have to compensate them for that, and it could interfere with any legal actions they want to take in the future. But there is little from nationalizing an entire portion of the company and place them under the control of the Army Corp or some other department. Truth is they can "draft" any US citizens, by name, into the Army they need and place them under the direct command of the army, subject to the UCMJ.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:02 PM
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4. This Act would supercede that law by declaring a National Emergency.
It's obvious that BP doesn't have a plan nor does it have the resources to stop this. BP has not been forthcoming with information about the magnitude of this disaster and it appears they have been criminally negligent while operating this rig. This will also send a message to the other oil rig operators in US waters that they had better get their shit together. Plus, putting the government in charge while still using BP's resources merely gives the government the say on how to proceed.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:08 PM
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7. +1, n/t
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:03 PM
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5. Nothing. The Gulf is dead, and the spill is heading into the gulf
stream. The government is hapless and helpless, idiots all. Maybe a strongly worded speech will help.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:22 PM
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11. Don't forget the strongly worded letter!
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:36 PM
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14. No, but we can take it, as long as we pay BP for it....
BP doesn't have a 'right' to property when national emergency overrides.

But they have a right to recompense...which, should be zero after we finish fining them.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:06 PM
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6. Not sure if you mean BP America or BP plc
For the latter the US Gov would need to buy a majority shareholding and probably couldn't do that without the consent of the UK Gov. Here's the balance sheet from c. 18 months ago : http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=bp&annual BTW 39% of BP's stock is US owned anyway.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:11 PM
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8. Truman nationalized steel companies
He did it to break a strike.

We are in time of war and Obama has all the power he needs.

What he lacks is the moral vision and the will power to use it for good.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:39 PM
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15. eh--Youngstown didn't exactly vindicate Truman. n/t
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 08:21 PM
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31. I don't agree with Truman's decision
But I am saying that all the Obama cheerleaders saying Obama's hands are tied are absolutely full of shit.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 08:29 PM
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32. that's one of the reasons why I posted this: he's not helpless.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:14 PM
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9. The question is: does Obama work for BP? (n/t)
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:40 PM
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17. +1 million
it seems that "protecting" BP's profits and reputation are mighty important.
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:16 PM
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10. forgive my ignorance
Edited on Sat May-22-10 01:21 PM by nvme
legislation came out of the EXXON VALDEZ oil spill. the gov can take over clean up. the oil companies are responsible for all direct cleanup costs.


Now its just politics. The prez is trying to avoid having this spill tied to his neck. only thing is, if he does not act very soon, his failure to get the best and the brightest to stop the flow will stick to him more than tar balls
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:26 PM
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12. I hope he does
THIS IS A TIME FOR LEADERSHIP
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:33 PM
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13. Me too!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:39 PM
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16. keep praying for a dictatorship n you may get it - nt
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:41 PM
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18. Not asking for nor would I support a dictatorship. Taking over a company's
disaster does not make a dictatorship.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:39 PM
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21. No it isn't. n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:38 PM
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20. Government by the people, which is what democracy is, would not
be a dictatorship but an exercise of what most people want. We need to protect our environment to live and if private enterprise can't do it, then we the government, must.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:46 PM
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22. What I am sick of reading is how powerless Obama is. When I point out
that he has the power to take over this spill because of the magnitude of the disaster, I'm told I want a dictatorship.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 04:06 PM
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25. this response shocks me; we've got a dictatorship of corporate capital right now
are you serious? it's an echo of Rand Paul's recent bilge; did you forget the sarcasm simile? or what?


gov't is public; it represents the people, at least in theory;

you prefer to have corrupt, criminal corporations retain their grip on power, even their power over our government?


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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:22 PM
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35. The Reaganites are crawling out of the woodwork lately
it's all over DU today: "corporations are the only thing we can trust! Big government is bad! If you don't love the President you hate America!No we can't-it's just too complex! Plugging a hole can ONLY be done by the smart people who made it!" Like lemmings off a cliff. They've abandoned the last shreds of Democratic principles.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 04:21 PM
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27.  nonsense!
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:18 PM
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19. Kick
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:48 PM
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23. There is a LOT he could be doing right now, but in the meantime...
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 04:02 PM
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24. totally agree! Obama is letting BP further harm the Gulf w/ toxic dispersants
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 04:15 PM
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26. It seems they are compounding the problem with the dispersants....
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 05:06 PM
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28. Kick for the late afternoon, early evening crowd
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:01 PM
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29. Where is Mr. Obama? He is off doing photo Ops at West Point...
Where have we seen this type of behavior before? Just sayin'...
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:20 PM
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30. he should declare state of emergency immediately
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:08 PM
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33. yes he should.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:17 PM
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34. is the entire gulf of Mexico, Atlantic ocean and all our beaches BP's property?
He can do whatever he damn well pleases. The job of the US government is to protect America, not protect multinational corporate profits. He should have declared a state of emergency on day one and taken care of it. We HAVE the equipment, and if we don't have something we can bring it in from other Nations. We can't trust a for profit entity who is, by LAW, required to ONLY do that which profits stockholders to take any common sense action on this disaster.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:23 PM
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36. Your last sentence says it all: they answer to stockholders not to the people
of the Gulf.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:53 PM
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37. kick
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