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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:13 AM
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This post is primarily directed toward the individuals not yet directly impacted by the oil gusher.
For the people living along the southern coast, the answer is obvious.

For others:

Are you finding yourself being affected on a very visceral level when thinking about the oil gusher?

Well before that video was released and shown on MSM, I posted an OP expressing my frustration with the fact that "they" were concentrating more on oil recapture efforts, rather than stopping the oil flow. There was almost NO coverage on the MSM about the gusher.

Now that the video has been released, all of a sudden a story exists, and the MSM is yelling the same dire warnings that we in DU were many days ago.

I have watched the most violent and wretched videos on the internet without blinking an eye, yet I am physically unable to view a picture of a gull covered with oil. Everytime I find myself starting to feel good about something in my life, my thoughts immediately go back to that gusher. It is like my mind's eye is envisioning a giant crack in the earth that we will never recover from.

This gusher, coupled with the million other non-environmental problems that we face, remind me that we, as US citizens, have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL over our fate, our livelihoods. Our lives are now controlled by people who eventually end up in congressional hearings, talking directly out of their asses.

It's just all so depressing.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:17 AM
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1. I thought your question was absolutely essential
and I still haven't seen it addressed
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:36 AM
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2. you said it all !!!
"Our lives are now controlled by people who eventually end up in congressional hearings, talking directly out of their asses."

after slogging through the mire of our current news day, your remark made me burst out laughing. it so expressed the reality of the situation; and the picture of them standing on their heads, rectums flapping, talking to congress was tooooo much. thanks!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:38 AM
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3. YOU GODDAMN RIGHT!!
:mad:



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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:42 AM
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5. ouch!
:think:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:39 AM
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4. Well said, but OP misleading as no one on earth is not directly affected that has a conscience.
:cry:
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:32 PM
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10. Yes. Hence the word "yet" in the OP.
We will all be impacted.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:44 AM
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6. We will *all* be affected by it if they don't get it under control soon
When you destroy that large of one of the most important ecosystems in the world it will affect all of us.

Like with Chernobyl, the toxins will seep into the general food supply for many years, causing cancer and other afflictions.

Natural productivity of animal life in the region will be stunted.

Migratory species will be affected.

Estuaries will be marginalized.

Our economy will have just one more drag for years. If it gets large enough, for a lifetime.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:46 AM
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7. This is getting worse and worse every day!
:cry:
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:51 AM
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8. Unfortunately you are the minority. We have become so complacent and comfortable
Edited on Sat May-15-10 11:52 AM by Go2Peace
it seems to be an "inconvenient thought". Even on this site many don't want to consider how catastrophic of an event this is. And I say *don't want* to, not "can't".

To me this is really a hallmark event. I used to think that the complacency on the significance of the Iraq war, which was unnecessary and criminal in terms of affect on innocents, was a generally semi-partisan phenomenon. But now I see even people at a fairly left leaning site have the same issues with ethical dilemmas. They just don't seem to want to think about it.

We are not making these decisions. But we still have a semi-democracy. The thought in washington, and yes, even in the boardrooms, is closer to what Americans think than we want to admit.

Our only hope is to have a renewal in philosophical and ethical thought. That is why I stay on this site, despite the fact that I see so much disturbing material here. People who are left of the current philosophy, if even only a little left, are still reachable.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 01:01 PM
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9. I am amazed at how hard
I am having to look for decent coverage here in Fl. Every news station has a helicopter and they almost collide over every traffic accident. It would be nothing for them to fly over the spill but nada. I have been very depressed and teary eyed over this and am becoming angry at the lockdown on info.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:45 PM
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11. Yes.
Edited on Sat May-15-10 09:49 PM by glitch
It reminds me very much of a time when I was tossed from a flipped raft into whitewater and had accepted that I wasn't going to make it by my own skills/strength. All I could do was watch for another raft to pull me out. I was rescued but I really didn't assume it.

This is the only thing that has brought back that feeling, very fatalistic. Watching, and knowing that this is serious enough to be "it".

edit: the feeling might (can't know for sure) be similiar to the one expressed by "oh shit", very frequent final words on black box recordings of plane crashes.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:49 PM
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12. .
:cry:

really. :cry:

when I think of the human demands that propel the oil industry and the sacrifice of innocent wildlife for immoral profit, and the life we live in the 21 Century (plastic, anyone?)--we all contribute just by our existence-- and our relentless increase in our numbers, and FUCK every other living thing's right to live, the humans have to have their neeeeeds satisfied, first and foremost.....

it just makes me think some misanthropic thoughts......
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:05 PM
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13. you are not alone. Any illusions I had about any
hope for the future have been shattered by what looks like the final nail in life on this earth.
no need to wait for 2012.
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:09 PM
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14. And the hearings are meaningless and inconsequential. Little is achieved. nt
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:19 PM
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15. Yes (nt)
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 09:40 AM
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16. I just want to ask you to resist depression and the feelings of powerlessness
that cause such depression. Believe me, the corpo/fascist powermongers who control the media want exactly that reaction from you--depression, feelings of powerlessness and hopelessness. These deliberately induced feelings--if they result in citizen lassitude, and in failure to join with others to organize political reform--serve their vast greed. They want the people of the U.S. in particular--one of the potentially most powerful progressive forces on earth--to GIVE UP. Your giving up is their victory.

The human race will either make it, or it won't. Those who stay informed and who think for themselves know how perilous our situation is. I think you have to be philosophical about it--unpanicked, thoughtful--and active at the same time--not hyperactive, not to the point of personal exhaustion, but just doing your part, as with your post here, for instance. It has always been such people--people like you, who have seen through the bullshit of prior political/economic establishments--who have been responsible for all progressive advances in history. It is NOT a comfortable role. It never has been. It never will be. And right now we have a complex of problems--not just an environmental crisis that threatens all life on earth, but also a grave crisis in our democracy--that are truly staggering. I don't underestimate this complex of problems. But I do know this: 1) We must resist depression and inaction; and 2) We need to start thinking in very practical and strategic terms. As to the latter, push aside the thought that something is wrong or even terrible, and give some room to deep, tough analysis of how that wrong or that horror came about and what are the mechanisms of power that could correct it--and how to create or restore those mechanisms of power.

My own analysis has led me to the voting machines--now largely controlled by ONE far rightwing-connected corporation (ES&S, which just bought out Diebold), using 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY code to tabulate all of our votes, with virtually no audit/recount controls. This is SO WRONG as to be nearly unbelievable. Voting is OUR ONLY REAL POWER as a people. That is how we directly transfer our sovereign power to our representatives in government. And we are longer permitted to see how our votes are counted!

I think of it as the last "Iron Curtain" door clamping down on our democracy. The final blow--after a long series of other kinds of blows--ever more filthily corrupt campaign financing, ever more corrupt and monopolistic corporate media, etc. Now the actual power of our vote has been taken from us with the counting of our votes being removed from our sight. There is no public official in this country who can prove that he or she was really elected. Some of them might have been. We can never know. This power over the vote count is toxic, in the wrong hands--whether it is used or not.

I think we need to peel back this latest control mechanism--'TRADE SECRET' vote tabulation--before we can address other critically needed reforms. It's still doable, because the power over voting systems still resides at the local/state level, where ordinary people still have potential influence--although it will take a big and widespread citizen movement to accomplish it. (The fast-tracking of e-voting all over the country, during the 2002 to 2004 period, occurred mostly by means of corruption--a $3.9 billion boondoggle from the Anthrax Congress, and lobbying and media corruption, and corruption of local officials. It is not, to this day, required by federal law.)

This is a VERY PRACTICAL suggestion. And that is what I urge you to consider. Put aside lamenting. Put aside depression. Shove off feelings of powerlessness. And start thinking very practically and strategically. The human race will either make it, or it won't. But do we want to go down for the count, without having landed a few punches on these corporate fuckers' noses before we do? They think very practically, how to loot, control and propagandize us. We, too, need to think in those practical, strategic terms--to counter their game plan. Just like a boxer in a ring. What are the keys to their powerful punches? How to block/disable them, one by one? What are the keys to OUR power? Think it out. Decide what YOU think is the most practical and effective strategic action that could be taken to restore democracy in the U.S., and join with others to accomplish it--rather than bearing the whole burden yourself. You CAN'T solve it yourself. That's ALL we can do--maintain our honor and dignity as human beings and go out fighting--not literally with fists--that is quite useless--but with our SOULS--our spirits, our intelligence, our sparks of life and creativity, in a collective effort to save ourselves, our planet and our country. If we don't, well, that will be pathetic. But if we do--IF WE DO put up a mighty fight against the corporate rulers, here at the vortex of corporate power--and especially if we are smart about it, we might just win!

There is nothing that the American people have wanted more than strong environmental protection. This has been true since the 1970s--stratospheric numbers in opinion polls (in the 80% to 90% range). The Bush Junta's wars and Great Depression may have depressed those numbers a bit--putting other worries on top--but it is still a VERY BIG priority of the American people. Give them transparent vote counting, and REAL representation in Washington DC and in state governments and we will begin to see the will of the people being implemented, on this and other reforms. That is my very strong belief and I have closely watched opinion polls since early 2003 (pre-invasion of Iraq, 60% of the American people opposed to it--Feb '03, ALL POLLS).
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 10:30 AM
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17. Thank you, PP.
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