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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:29 AM
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JFK battled Wall Street and Big Business
"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich"
-- Inaugural Address of John F. Kennedy, Friday, January 20, 1961



So, in the short time he had, President Kennedy did what he could to balance the interests of concentrated wealth with the interests of the average American -- necessary for the good of the country.

Professor Donald Gibson detailed the issues in his 1994 book, Battling Wall Street: The Kennedy Presidency.

From the book:



"What (J.F.K. tried) to do with everything from global investment patterns to tax breaks for individuals was to re-shape laws and policies so that the power of property and the search for profit would not end up destroying rather than creating economic prosperity for the country."

-- Donald Gibson, Battling Wall Street. The Kennedy Presidency



More on the book, by two great Americans:



"Gibson captures what I believe to be the most essential and enduring aspect of the Kennedy presidency. He not only sets the historical record straight, but his work speaks volumes against today's burgeoning cynicism and in support of the vision, ideal, and practical reality embodied in the presidency of John F. Kennedy - that every one of us can make a difference." -- Rep. Henry B. Gonzalez, Chair, House Committee on Banking, Finance, and Urban Affairs

"Professor Gibson has written a unique and important book. It is undoubtedly the most complete and profound analysis of the economic policies of President Kennedy. From here on in, anyone who states that Kennedy was timid or status quo or traditional in that field will immediately reveal himself ignorant of Battling Wall Street. It is that convincing." -- James DiEugenio, author, Destiny Betrayed. JFK, Cuba, and the Garrison Case --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.



Why do I bring up this ancient history? Because if we don't pull ourselves together, rich and poor (just about everybody else, these days), labor and management, young and old, smart and stupid (Hi Sarah! Hi Rush!) we are headed for the kind of disaster that would wipe the sneer of Dick Cheney's puss.

Now, who gives a damn?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:35 AM
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1. And guess who won?
:(
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:46 AM
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5. They can't kill his ideas, however.
So, they don't repeat them and await the day when people who know them have died off.

Jim Marrs wrote about the subject:



In his 1994 book Battling Wall Street: The Kennedy Presidency, Gibson made a cogent argument that the primary factor behind the JFK assassination was that he was at loggerheads with the Wall Street Establishment, those same globalist financiers who first promoted communism and then National Socialism.

Prior to the Reagan administration, the Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs in 1980 produced a study titled “Structure of Corporate Concentration.”

Gibson described it as,
    “the most thorough investigation of institutional stockholders and of connections among boards of directors that has ever been done” and wrote, “The basic conclusions are concise and quite straightforward: financial institutions, part of, or extensively interrelated with, the Morgan-Rockefeller complex, are the dominant force in the economy.”
One example Gibson offered was that the,
    “board of directors of Morgan included individuals serving on the boards of 31 of the top 100 firms. Citicorp was directly tied to 49 top companies, and Chase Manhattan, Chemical Bank, and Metropolitan Life each had 24 other top companies represented on their boards.

    These and a multitude of other overlaps among the top 100 firms provides a dense network of relationships reinforced by frequent ties through private clubs, educational background, marriages, and membership in organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations and the Business Council.”
After detailing how Kennedy sought to deny total control to this nexus of globalists, Gibson stated,
    “President Kennedy’s commitment to science, technology, and economic progress had led him to adopt policies that were vehemently attacked by people in and around the Morgan-Rockefeller complex.”




Besides DU and a few places online, where do we see this information? It is missing from the history books and totally unmentioned in Corporate McPravda.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:35 AM
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2. That was exactly the reason he *had* a "short time.."
n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:49 AM
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7. Big Money owns the Military Industrial Complex
And they certainly make Big Money off Big War. That's why they also own politicians. Take George Walker Bush, who said:

Money Trumps Peace.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:36 AM
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3. yeah,and we know what happened to him and his brother.
and MLK. for preaching against the monarchy here.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:00 AM
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11. They could've done the easy thing and gone along with the warmongering moneygrubbers.
But, they didn't.

Political history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to teach children.
-- W. H. Auden, 1907-1973

"The men who possess real power in this country have no intention of ending the cold war."
-- Albert Einstein, 1879-1955

"there really are linkages between the murders of JFK, MLK, and RFK"
-- Representative Cynthia McKinney, September 14, 2002 reception for the Congressional Black Caucus www.counterpunch.org/mckinney0918.html

"Laurel and Hardy, that's John and Yoko. And we stand a better chance under that guise because all the serious people like Martin Luther King and Kennedy and Gandhi got shot."
-- John Lennon

SOURCE: http://www.oilempire.us/coup.html
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:43 AM
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4. "headed for"?... the disaster has happend already
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:04 AM
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13. True, things are awful. Unfortunately, they can get much, much worse.
And when they do, a certain class will head for undisclosed locations in the hills, jungles, Swiss highlands, northern climes and...Paraguay.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:50 AM
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14. Fascinating. Thanks.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:47 AM
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6. Henry B Gonzalez was in the car behind JFK's in Dallas on 11/22/63
He was close with Kennedy. They were two people from completely diametrically opposed upbringings yet they both worked for the same things.

Henry B once punched a guy out for calling him a communist. He was in his 70's at the time. He was acquitted.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:56 AM
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8. Henry B was ready to fight E Howard Hunt, mano a mano.
From the Congressional Record:



ARTICLE ARCHIVE

From 1992: On the floor of the House, an exasperated Henry Gonzalez exposes the first Bush administration's longstanding support for Saddam Hussein, and the insanity of imperial war.

THE BANCA NAZIONALE DEL LAVORO SCANDAL:

HIGH-LEVEL POLITICS TRY TO HIDE THE EVIDENCE

Henry B. Gonzalez, (TX-20)

(House of Representatives - September 14, 1992)




The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Dooley). Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Texas is recognized for 60 minutes.

SNIP...

You had E. Howard Hunt. The only thing I know about E. Howard Hunt was 2 years ago in July, in fact July 14, I go back to my district every weekend, and I came in that Saturday morning. I arrived at the San Antonio Airport, and there was a couple there that used to be in my district and moved to a small town up in what we call the hill country.

They recognized me and said, `Oh, Congressman. How are you? We are so glad to see you.'
I saluted them and addressed them. I was leaving when this individual comes up. I had never met him before, but from his pictures and all I could tell that what he said was true.

He said, `You are Congressman Gonzalez?'

I said, `Well, I am E. Howard Hunt, and you are nothing but a--' and then he used a bad word.
Well, I had two little bags I was carrying, very small, so I just dropped them. I noticed he had a shoulder holster with a pistol. It was obvious.

So I said, `Mister, since you want to use sailors' language, here is what I think of you.' And then I used some choice words.

I said, `Let me tell you something else. You take one step forward closer to me or you make a move for the gun in your shoulder holster, and I will swear to you I will take it from you and in self defense I will kill you with it.'

He looked at me startled, turned around, and walked away. I picked up my bags and walked out of the airport.

That is all I know. Now, was he E. Howard Hunt? Well, he sure looked like him. What was his beef? I do not know. What was he doing in San Antonio? I do not know. Why does he still have a shoulder holster and pistol? I do not know. He is ex-CIA. They say ex, but there ain't no such thing.

(Page: H8353)

SOURCE: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/1992_cr/h920914g.htm



Mr. Gonzalez was a man, a patriot, and one brave fellow. He was a real American.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:01 AM
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12. LOL! And he was, as they say in San Antonio, puro Westside!
And he would have taken that gun away from him!
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:57 AM
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9. K & R nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:58 AM
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15. JFK and Steel, Bush and Oil
What Santayana said about history repeating. Details:



JFK and Steel, Bush and Oil

by Rex Bradford
2 Sep 2008

"You know, if there was a magic wand to wave, I’d be waving it, of course. I strongly believe it’s in our interest that we reduce gas prices, gasoline prices. … No, I think that if there was a magic wand, and say, okay, drop price, I’d do that. … But there is no magic wand to wave right now." - President George W. Bush, 4-29-2008 <1>

"The simultaneous and identical actions of United States Steel and other leading steel corporations increasing steel prices by some six dollars a ton constitute a wholly unjustified and irresponsible defiance of the public interest." - President John F. Kennedy, 4-11-1962 <2>


With the cost of gasoline passing $4 per gallon at its peak this summer, those campaigning for President debated whether the U.S. Government should suspend the federal gas tax, pegged at a modest 18.4 cents per gallon since 1993. Noting that most of this money goes into the federal highway trust fund, opponents ridiculed the idea. <3> But what was most remarkable, at a time of record oil industry profits, was the near-universal agreement that the federal government simply had no reasonable options to consider. Regardless of one's stance on free markets and economics, it is a breathtaking example of how much this country has changed in the 46 years since John F. Kennedy took on the steel industry and in three days forced them to roll back price increases which, he said, were in defiance of something we hear less and less about: the public interest.

In 1962, the steel industry occupied a position similar in the American economy to that of the oil industry today. The post-war expansion which brought the interstate highway system, suburban living, and the rise of the airline and automaking industries was dependent on steel as its primary ingredient. Steel was so important that when a nationwide strike was threatened during the Korean War in 1952, President Truman attempted to seize the mills. <4> Even Republican President Eisenhower intervened with the industry in 1959 to hold the line on prices as well as labor costs. <5>

SNIP...

Though the Kennedy administration had never directly asked the steel industry to hold prices, regarding that as improper, Kennedy and his advisors clearly felt there was a tacit agreement, and that they had been double-crossed. Coming right on the heels of the signed labor contract, the announcement seemed to be a deliberate attempt to tell the Democratic President that he didn't tell American business what to do. The stakes were higher than a simple personal affront; the importance of steel in the economy meant the high likelihood that the price increase would trigger further price jumps across many sectors, and kick off a new round of inflation. Kennedy was furious, telling advisors:

    "My father always told me that all businessmen were sons of bitches, but I never believed it until now." <6>
The Steel Crisis, written by Roy Hoopes in 1963 before Kennedy's assassination, offers more than a day-by-day account of the three days in which JFK stared down Big Steel. For modern readers, it is also a reminder of how different America has become since 1962. The importance of labor unions in the American economy and political system is taken for granted, something that might puzzle a younger reader of the book. The president speaks openly of ours being a "mixed economy," a term that has gone out of favor as the free market ideology has crowded out all others. Perhaps most anachronistic are Kennedy's repeated references to the "public interest" as a factor to be weighed in the major economic decisions of the day.

Of course, the business sector didn't like such talk any more in the 1960s than it does today. In the aftermath of the crisis, U.S. News stated that "A planned economy, directed from Washington, is what Mr. Kennedy now has in mind." One steel company executive complained "This is a sustained attack on the free enterprise system. It may be all all-out war." <7>

CONTINUED...

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/JFK_and_Steel,_Bush_and_Oil



Mil gracias, laughingliberal!
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:00 AM
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10. I do...Thanks for posting.
I'll be getting that book.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 12:05 PM
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17. JFK Address Before the United States Chamber of Commerce on Its 50th Anniversary
What JFK told the Chamber:



John F. Kennedy

Address Before the United States Chamber of Commerce on Its 50th Anniversary.


April 30, 1962

President Wagner, Monsignor:

I want to congratulate you on your new president, President Plumley--it's nice to have a president from Massachusetts, and we're glad to have him here. I don't know how widely that view is shared here, but I must say I am delighted to be here this morning with Governor Hodges and to welcome you, on the occasion of your fiftieth anniversary, to the Nation's Capital.

I want to take advantage of your presence in the Capital to convey my thinking about the present and future relationship of government and business, and to penetrate the dust of controversy that occasionally rises to obscure the basic issues and the basic relationships.

Almost all of the great nations of the world have their financial and political capitals located in the same city--London, Paris, Rome, Madrid and the others. Our rounding fathers chose differently, in an effort to isolate political leaders from the immediate pressures of political life and national life. But this has placed a special obligation upon all of us--to speak clearly and with precision, and to attempt to understand the obligations and responsibilities which each of us face.

The foundation of the Chamber in April of 1912 marked a turning point in the relations between government and business, and there are some who say that the events of April of 1962 have also marked a turning point in the relations between government and business. I hope that this is so, in the sense that both sides will have new emphasis upon the obligation to understand each other's problems and attitudes.

In 1960 I do not think it wholly inaccurate to say that I was the second choice of a majority of businessmen for the office of President of the United States, and when I approached the White House the cheers of members of the Chambers of Commerce around the country were not overwhelming. or deafening.

But in almost every major problem that I have encountered since assuming this responsibility, I have been impressed by the degree to which the best interests of the National Government and the country are tied to the enlightened best interests of its most important segments.

But I have also been impressed that all the segments, including the National Government, must operate responsibly in terms of each other, or the balance which sustains the general welfare will be lost.

As President my interest is in an economy which will be strong enough to absorb the potential of a rapidly expanding population, steady enough to avert the wide swings which bring grief to so many of our people, and noninflationary enough to persuade investors that this country holds a steady promise of growth and stability.

My specific interest at this time is in maintaining a competitive world position that will not further stir the gold at fort Knox.

As businessmen, your interest is profits or the maintenance of an adequate margin of return on your investments. To the extent that you want to protect your profit margins, our interests are identical, for after all we in the National Government have a large stake in your profits. To the extent that you must raise your prices to make these profits, our interests at home and abroad stand in delicate balance.

Union leaders' interests lie in the rate of return on labor for their members. To the extent that their efforts are devoted to securing equitable wages for their workers, our interests are identical, because we must have consumers to absorb our vast productive capacity, and as this year has reminded you the National Government also lives off personal income taxes. To the extent that their efforts take the form of demands which will not upset the balance which has thus far stemmed inflation in this administration, our interests are in concert. These areas where conflict exists between what I would call private interests and the general welfare must be met, it seems to me, by assumption of responsibility by all of us who care for our country.

We have many burdens in Washington-we do not want the added burden of determining individual prices for individual products. We seek instead an economic climate in which an expanding concept of business and labor responsibility, an increasing awareness of world commerce and the free forces of domestic competition will keep the price level stable and keep the Government out of price-setting.

If American business does not earn sufficient revenue to earn a fair profit, this Government cannot earn sufficient revenues to cover its outlays. If American business does not prosper and expand, this Government cannot make good its pledges of economic growth. Our foreign policies call for an increase in the sale of American goods abroad, but it is business, not Government, who must actually produce and sell these goods.

Our domestic programs call for substantial increases in employment, but it is business, not Government, who must actually perform these jobs. While Government economists can point out the necessity of increasing the rates of investment, of modernizing plant and productivity, while Washington officials may urge responsible collective bargaining and responsible wage-price decisions, we also recognize that beneath all the laws and guidelines and tax policies and stimulants we can provide, these matters all come down, quite properly in the last analysis, to private decision by private individuals.

It is easy to charge an administration is anti-business, but it is more difficult to show how an administration, composed we hope of rational men, can possibly feel they can survive without business, or how the Nation can survive unless the Government and business and all other groups in our country are exerting their best efforts in an atmosphere of understanding--and I hope cooperation.

We have worked to establish the responsible view that we take of our role in the economy, and I do not think the record of our decisions, taken in totality, has been one to suggest that we are not responsive to the problems of business. I will point to our efforts in the field of inflation, to the balance of payments, to the transportation policy, for example, recently enunciated, as tenders of this concern. I expect to be able to point soon to more realistic income tax guidelines on the depreciable lives of business assets, and to the 8-percent tax credit for investment in equipment and machinery, which has been proposed and is now being considered by the Senate.

I do not regard the vigorous enforcement of the antitrust laws, for example, to be anti-business. These statutes, most of which have a long historic past antedating the life of the Chamber of Commerce, are based on the basic premise that a private enterprise system must be truly competitive if it is to realize its full potential. And it is natural in these important basic industries in which one or two companies may control over 50 percent of the total national production, that the Government should be concerned that the realities of competition exist, as well as their appearance. But this is in the interest of business, and you know quite well that nearly every action taken by this Government and previous administrations, in the field of antitrust actions, or actions by the Federal Trade Commission have been based upon complaints brought by businessmen themselves. This is in the interest, therefore, of business, as well as of the general public.

When I talk of the public interest in these matters, I am not using a rhetorical phrase. It costs the United States $3 billion a year to maintain our troops and our defense establishment and security commitments abroad. If the balance of trade is not sufficiently in our favor to finance this burden, we have two alternatives--one, to lose gold, as we have been doing; and two, to begin to withdraw our security commitments.

This is the heart of the issue which has occupied the attention of so many of us in recent months, of our efforts to persuade the steel union to accept a noninflationary wage agreement--and to persuade the steel companies to make every effort to maintain price stability.

In the competitive contest for world markets, upon which the balance of payments depends, our record since the end of the Korean War has not been wholly satisfactory, I am sure, to any of us. From the end of the Korean War, our export prices rose about 11 percent, while average export prices in the Common Market held steady. There were significant wage raises during this period, as we know. Indeed our wage levels in the large manufacturing industries rose 30 percent in the United States but they rose 58 percent in the same period in France and Germany. But their output per man-hour increased so fast that they were able to maintain a stable price level. During this period, our gold stocks declined by $5 1/2 billion, and the short-term dollar claims of foreigners, a potential call on our gold stock, rose by an equal amount, $11 billion in the past few years.

I do not mean to say that we have priced ourselves out of world markets. Our merchandise exports of over $20 billion testify that we have not. And our comparative price performance has improved in the last 2 or 3 years. But if we are to stem the gold outflow, which we must by one means or another, eliminate the deficit in our balance of payments, and continue as I believe we must to discharge our far-flung international obligations, we must avoid inflation, modernize American industry, and improve our relative position in the world markets.

Never in the 50-year history of the Chamber of Commerce has its dedication to a vigorous economy been more in the national and international interest than it is today. This administration, I assure you, shares your concern about the cost-profit squeeze on American business. We want prosperity and in a free enterprise system there can be no prosperity without profit. We want a growing economy, and there can be no growth without the investment that is inspired and financed by profit.

We want to maintain our national security and other essential programs and we will have little revenue to finance them unless there is profit. We want to improve our balance of payments without reducing our commitments abroad, and we cannot increase our export surplus, which we must, without modernizing our plants through profit. We can help through new trade policies that increase the businessman's access to foreign markets, particularly to the expanding markets of nearly 200 million people which we will have in Western Europe.

And I want to salute the United States Chamber of Commerce for its historic endorsement of the new Trade Expansion Bill. We can help by making more realistic the income tax guideline on the depreciable lives of business assets, a move long called for and needed, and now being carried through. I recognize that many of you would like, as I would, to have far more rapid depreciation schedules. I can assure you that we are limited only by the fact, which you must recognize, that these depreciation changes will, in their early years, mean a loss of governmental revenues. If we wish to bring our budget as closely as possible to balance as far as the economy permits, we do not feel able to relinquish at this time these sources of revenue in total. But we should look ahead to the maximum extent possible, as we have already done in textiles, and as we are now examining in steel, and we are quite conscious of the competitive advantages which rapid depreciation gives to the Western European manufacturers. We are looking ahead now to make these depreciation schedules more realistic.

We can help, if Congress will pass the pending bill, by granting an 8 percent tax credit for investment in equipment and machinery, and those of you who do not feel that that is sufficient--and it may well not be--must recognize that this particular provision, limited as you may feel it is, will cost the Government in the next fiscal year $1,800 million in tax revenues if it is accepted by the Senate. And I believe, in the form that it is in, it will result in far more stimulus to business for every dollar of tax revenue foregone than the more familiar alternatives that many of you might have preferred.

I recognize that some of you are opposed to some of the revenue measures which we have recommended to balance revenue losses which we incur from the tax credit. But we cannot responsibly forego such a large amount of our budget unless we consider alternate means of recouping that loss. We take these steps only for budgetary reasons, and in the case of tax havens abroad in order to make less advantageous the flow of American capital into other countries and to place enterprises there on a fair competitive basis with American companies here which must pay the taxes which they do not.

We can also help by creating a climate of collective bargaining in which increased wages are held within the appropriate limits of rising productivity, a rising productivity that will also provide for investments in modernization, for profits, and even, we hope, lower prices to stimulate increased purchasing.

And may I add at this point that when an administration has not hesitated to seek Taft-Hartley injunctions for national emergencies, has successfully urged moderation on the steel workers and other unions, has expressed a firm and continuing opposition to the 25-hour week, or anything less than the 40-hour week, and has gone on record against featherbedding and racketeering and road blocks to automation, it surely does not need to be asked whether it will invoke the national interest wherever it believes it to be threatened.

In addition, this administration can help alleviate the businessman's cost-price squeeze through new transportation policies aimed at providing increased freedom of competition at lower cost to the shipper, through fiscal and monetary policies aimed at making more capital available at less cost, and through a whole host of other policies on patents, productivity, and procurement.

But perhaps most important of all are our efforts which are aimed at creating conditions of high employment, and what is most important I know to all of you, high capacity utilization. For when the economy is expanding, profits generally are expanding, and not at the cost of the consumer. But when the economy is slack, we not only have unemployment but profits are inevitably slack. Just as there can be no prosperity without profits, so are profits hinged to prosperity. With the high fixed costs of modern production and business organizations, few American business firms can earn an adequate profit on an inadequate volume. Profits have been under pressure since early 1957 because the economy has been operating below capacity since 1957. To restore profits to an adequate level, to maintain an adequate level of employment, we must restore the economy to full activity.

In short, our primary challenge is not how to divide the economic pie, but how to enlarge it. To fight now over larger slices of the existing pie, by seeking higher margins on lower volume, or higher wages ahead of productivity, can only weaken our effort to expand the economy of the United States.

The recovery of the past year has already raised our total output rate by $50 billion, corporate profits by $13 billion, personal income by $32 billion, employment by 1 million 200 thousand, and industrial production by 13 percent. And this upswing is continuing. Housing starts rebounded vigorously last month. Retail sales are rising. Consumer intentions are encouraging. Business plans an 11 percent increase in its investment in new plant and equipment. And construction awards are at an all-time high. I am convinced that our economy in 1962 will break all records in production, employment, and profits. But we must, of course, always do better.

For had we achieved these goals of full employment and high capacity, I am confident that none of the events which made this last month so memorable would have taken place at all. And if we can now join in achieving these goals, I am confident that they may never need to take place again.

I realize that we shall not reach these goals overnight, nor shall we achieve them without inconvenience, some disagreement, and some adjustments on every side--among labor, business, and the Government.

But the Bible tells us that "there is a time for every purpose under the heaven . . . a time to cast away stones and a time to gather stones together." And ladies and gentlemen, I believe it is time for us all to gather stones together to build this country as it must be built in the coming years.

Thank you.

Citation: John T. Woolley and Gerhard Peters, The American Presidency Project . Santa Barbara, CA. Available from World Wide Web: (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=8624).

SOURCE: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/print.php?pid=8624



The guy's words reveal the type of mind he had: TOPS. Readers are leaders.

Thank you, whatthehell. Very much appreciate you giving a damn.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 02:27 PM
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24. You're welcome, Octafish. I'm old enough to remember JFK and
his assassination, although I was too young at the time to understand his politics beyond his being a Democrat...It's always interesting, as an adult, to learn more about them.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 12:04 PM
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16. I wasn't aware of that
It sounds like a book well worth reading. Thank you Octafish.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 01:24 PM
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21. JFK and Congo
While this is probably old news to you, Time for change, there really isn't much in the history books or on ABCNNBCBSFixedNutNoiseworks about how JFK felt toward the Third World.



JFK CRIED FOR CONGO



(JFK receives the news of Lumumba's murder)

The above caption, by Jacques Lowe, personal photographer to JFK, reads:

"On February 13 1961, United Nations Ambassador Adlai Stevenson came on the phone. I was alone with the President; his hand went to his head in utter despair, "On, no," I heard him groan. The Ambassador was informing the President of the assassination of Patrice Lumumba of the Congo, an African leader considered a trouble-maker and a leftist by many Americans. But Kennedy's attitude towards black Africa was that many who were considered leftists were in fact nationalists and patriots, anti-West because of years of colonialization, and lured to the siren call of Communism against their will. He felt that Africa presented an opportunity for the West, and, speaking as an American, unhindered by a colonial heritage, he had made friends in Africa and would succeed in gaining the trust of a great many African leaders. The call therefore left him heartbroken, for he knew that the murder would be a prelude to chaos in the mineral-rich and important African country, it was a poignant moment."

(end quoting from 1983 book "Kennedy A Time Remembered" by Jacques Lowe)

As news stories describe the massacre of thousands in the Congo (April 2003) I remember Orwell and JFK, two of my favourite people. In 1984 Orwell told us that once Big Brother took control of the world (One World Government) it was divided into three Super-States and the Disputed Territories, over which the Super-States waged continuous war. The people of the Disputed Territories (including equatorial Africa) were "expended like so much coal or oil". Their nations were gutted for their "valuable minerals and important vegetable products".

Like so much else of what Orwell told us, he was accurate about the fate of Africa. Its nations have never had a chance to survive on their own without interference. However, had President Kennedy been allowed to live and enact his policies for Africa, that continent could be equal today to Europe and America.

CONTINUED...

http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkcongo.shtml



Not much in college history courses about the, eh, change in foreign policy after Dallas, either.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:49 PM
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26. I wonder if Kennedy felt personally responsible for the assassination
I don't doubt that he guessed that his CIA was behind it -- in which case he would feel rather helpless about the fact that he couldn't control them.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 12:07 PM
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18. He wasn't around long enough to really do anything. LBJ is
the one who got all of the big, far-reaching programs passed
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 12:27 PM
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19. Wrong. JFK did a great job in 1,036 days as President.
Edited on Sat May-15-10 01:09 PM by Octafish
There were 1,036 days from Jan. 20, 1961 to November 22, 1963. That’s 24,864 hours or 1,491,840 minutes or 89,510,400 seconds.

The period’s been called the thousand days of Camelot. Really just a blink of an eye, for America it means more than that. It truly was a legendary time and America truly was a magical place — a place where anything was possible.

Consider what President Kennedy worked to achieve: He raised the minimum wage, cut taxes, kept America from nuclear annihilation three times, maintained world peace, set about to bring equal rights for all Americans, integrated FBI and the Secret Service, got the country to invest in the arts and education, and set out to do the impossible — land an American on the Moon and return him safely to the Earth. He did all that in 1,036 days.

A thousand days. That is not much time considering how much JFK accomplished. And President Kennedy used each day to make ours a better nation for ALL Americans.

My, how things have changed. Here’s a bit of reality programming — what’s happened in the 16,976 days since November 22, 1963:

• Vietnam
• Guatemala
• Chile
• Watergate
• October Surprise
• El Salvador
• Reagan Survives Hinckley and Bush
• Voodoo Economics
• INSLAW/Promis
• Haiti
• Iraq-gate / Banca Nazionale del Lavoro arms
• BCCI International Money Laundering for Terrorists & Intelligence Community
• Savings & Loan scandal in general and Silverado in particular
• Iran-contra Guns/Drugs/Martial Law
• Gulf War I Glaspie Gives Go-Ahead
• Selection 2000 Shreds US Constitution
• Tax Cuts for UltraRich
• Criminal Justice Department
• Suicidal Environmental Policy
• ENRON Energy Policy
• 9-11 Criminal Negligence, at best; Treason, most likely
• Illegal Iraq Invasion
• Afghanistan for UNOCAL
• New Orleans left to drown
• Trillions for Wall Street Quick Cash Bailout

It’s interesting in reviewing the above list, a list spanning 47 years since the "intervention in Dallas", just how much conservative neo-con corrupt Republican leadership has really been a Contract On America. The list demonstrates there have been puhlenty of business opportunities in the finance, energy, and defense industries; But, that brief listing doesn’t sound like it’s been a good deal for the average American for the past four decades.

Certainly, LBJ got us the Great Society and much true progress. However, LBJ also foisted the Warren Commission whitewash on America. So, while there have been occasional flashes of the old Democratic magic in the administrations of James Earl Carter, William Jefferson Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama, the fact of the matter is things haven’t really been the same for democracy in general and the USA in particular since JFK’s leadership.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 12:32 PM
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20. Is my memory correct that he was about to
Edited on Sat May-15-10 12:33 PM by Karenina
take on the Fed? As in, address the American citizen?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 01:39 PM
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22. Executive Order 11110
From what I understand, JFK wanted to take the middleman Federal Reserve Bank out of fiscal policy when he issued Executive Order #11110.

From JFK's ambassador to England and one of the great minds of the New Deal:

John Kenneth Galbraith on the Central Federal Reserve Bank

Remember how fast Smirko changed things from surplus to deficit? All those hundreds of billions in interest we now pay each year to finance the national debt goes to bondholders, not many of whom, I'd bet, actually work for a living. What must surely be coincidence, they happen to be the same class that benefits from all the tax cuts and ramped up defense spendig, too.

PS: Good to read you, Sis.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:42 PM
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25. Another reason why when I hear people like Chomsky and Ellsberg disparage Kennedy
focusing on his early days and not his final ones I blow a gasket. They were each able to surpass their own indoctrination and become aware of the deep state, but they won't accept that the Kennedy brothers were able to as well, and they even died trying to fight it. A failed empathy.
Or maybe it's survivor's guilt.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:44 PM
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30. Well, I wonder what the break down of his 'fucking' time is.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 02:08 PM
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23. K & R
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:23 PM
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27. k&r n/t
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:27 PM
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28. ""If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, ...."
Thank you very much!

Recommended, and bookmarked for later study.

Great post!
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Lagomorph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:28 PM
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29. I think part of the problem...
...is that, as older pirates retire, take their loot and sail into the sunset, younger pirates replace them and pursue the same path.

These guys all graduate from Ivy League schools and they are all sharks. What do they really teach in those schools?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:36 PM
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31. Kick nt
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