When you hear a Pro- NRA gun nut accuse Obama or Dems of taking their guns ..

[Union Yes]

stop them in their tracks and ask them to point to any specific legislation sitting before congress that would take guns or repeal the second amendment.

Ask them to specifically point out any legislation that bans guns.

Tell them to be specific. H.R.# etc.

Then, when they stare blankly back at you, incapable of any logical answer, tell them to take their Fascist ignorance and shove it right up their ass.

Because, there is no legislation.

Example of who I'm refering to: Palin, GOP, Teabaggers, Conservatives.

[90-percent]

1. hypothetical of their own manufacture

We all know that if Sarah Palin actually wins any form of elected office again, the first thing she wants to do is take all the registered Democrats and boil them alive in hot oil.

I get my facts from the same place Sarah does - pull them right out of my ass.

-90% Jimmy

:sarcasm:

[laughingliberal]

11. "I get my facts from the same place Sarah does - pull them right out of my ass."

That was great! and accurate.

[aikoaiko]

2. We can do that, but is there claim that there is a specific bill before congress?

Sadly, our President campaigned on the promise of preventing private sales of firearms at gun shows, making guns "child proof" (I don't know what means exactly), and banning new purchases of rifles, shotguns, and pistols in popular configurations and with popular accessories

He hasn't exactly said he is no longer supports those positions.

Fortunately, he hasn't acted on those promises and members of congress haven't acted on their promises either. I think this is due to the massive guns and ammo purchase panic just after the President's election. It showed him that people were motivated to protect their 2nd Amendment rights and they would act in the polls accordingly if he followed through on his promises.

I'm glad he backed away from his promises and muzzled AG Holder and SoS Clinton (as well as legislators), but I don't think he has had a change of heart on the issue.

If President Obama wants to shut up the NRA, he needs to say that he will veto any new Federal gun bans and work to eliminate the current ones.

[ellie]

3. I laugh in their face

Seriously. Goddamn loons.

[rucky]

4. Then ask them if they'd support legislation...

to prevent illegal immigrants and people on the terror watchlist from owning guns.

[slackmaster]

10. Hey rucky, would you support legislation preventing people on the "terror watchlist" from voting?

FYI, illegal immigrants are already barred by federal law from owning guns.

[rucky]

19. the terror watchlist deserves no legal recognition. n/t

[slackmaster]

20. Thanks. I agree with you completely about that.

:hi:

[elocs]

5. Well we have our own resident gunsters here at DU who would join hands with the ones you mention,

Palin, the GOP, Teabaggers, Conservative, and sing Kumbaya when it comes to guns.

[Ikonoklast]

6. Single issue voters can only see one tree.

While standing in a forest.

[elocs]

7. Yes, and guns seem to be the only tree many see, even here in their own enclave. n/t

[aikoaiko]

8. And then there are the DUers who like to take the "you're with us or with them" position

because of their stance on gun rights.

[Paladin]

9. Your Comment Would Have More Merit.......

.....if DU gun enthusiasts didn't keep turning up in other threads on other issues---health care, abortion, foreign policy, law enforcement, capital punishment, the ACLU, etc.---consistently spewing conservative talking points. It's pretty obvious that a sizable portion of DU gun rights people are "with them," and make no secret of it.....

[Scuba]

12. Well, I'm a DU gun owner...

...and definately not with 'them'.

Fact is 'them' is getting so powerful I'm afraid I'll need a gun to protect myself when "them" gets the DU membership list.

[aikoaiko]

13. Hardly. They are just few like that.

There are plenty of DUers who focus on single issues whose steadfastness sometimes spills over into other issues.

[slackmaster]

16. Yes, people tend to post about issues they know and care about

bobolink usually posts about homelessness, I post about guns, Paladin Posts About Typing With All Initial Caps.

[Paladin]

29. Not Even A Good Try, Slack...... (n/t)

[Mari333]

14. wish I could ask my little brother but he wont talk to me

he is,however, holed up with a massive amount of guns and ammo and gold and food. waiting for Armageddon, says my sister.

I cannot imagine living in that much fear.

[X_Digger]

15. HR 45 was pretty heinous

Thank goodness it's dead in committee. HR 257 had some stinkers in it, as did HR 2324 / S 2878, HR 4298, S 843.

Thankfully when Holder reminded everyone of Obama's cmapaign promise to renew the assault weapon ban, he got smacked down.

"Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters.

[B Calm]

22. HR 45 was an Illinois state bill. The bill failed to attract one co-sponsor.

Hell it didn't have one damn fingerprint on it from President Obama.

HR 257 was a bill to protect children from access to firearms. How Horrible. . .

[aikoaiko]

24. I think you are incorrect about HR 45 (or mistaking it for something else).

Bobby Rush is a member of the US Congress and yes his bill died the death it deserved.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text

And there were some provision of HR257 I liked but it overreached.

[B Calm]

26. and President Obama fingerprints are not anywhere near this bill, right?

[aikoaiko]

31. I was merely correcting your factual error.

I really don't know how to answer your question.

[X_Digger]

33. I think he's forgetting the 'or dems' portion of the OP. n/t

[aikoaiko]

34. Thank you. Even Diane Feinstein has made it clear that the AWB reauthorization bills will be back.

(CBS) This story was first published on April 12, 2009. It was updated on July 16, 2009.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/09/60minutes/main4931769.shtml

"You have lots and lots of Democrats who got support from the NRA this time, and so they agree with the NRA. They'll vote with the NRA," Stahl told Feinstein. "I'm not going to disagree with that at all," the senator replied.

She admits she's facing daunting opposition. "The National Rifle Association essentially has a stranglehold on the Congress." Asked if anybody from the Democratic Senate leadership or from the administration has asked her to back off, Feinstein said, "No. Nobody said a word to me."

"There's some sense that the president has so many crisis issues on his plate right now that the idea of bringing up guns - which is considered part of the Culture Wars - would be such a diversion," Stahl told Feinstein. "I agree with you. I wouldn't bring it up now," she replied.

Feinstein said she's going to hold off, for now, but vowed she would eventually push the issue. "I'll pick the time and the place, no question about that," she told Stahl.

[X_Digger]

25. Actually, HR 45 was national senate.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:

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[OneTenthofOnePercent]

21. Are you claiming people who opose Obama's gun policy are teabagging racist NRA whities?

If so, that might be the most ignorant broad-brush stereotype I've heard in awhile. FWIW, I think Obama's "urban policy" and endorsed strategies to curb violence are horse-shit and will violate more rights than accomplish goals.

Does that make me a white NRA-loving racist teabagger?

[B Calm]

27. What do you hate about President Obama's gun policy? Could it be

that you now have more gun rights than you use to have?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

28. His "urban policy" explicitly stated several antigun sentiments.

Among them were ending private sales between people, banning the most popular rifles in america, Tihart, etc...
The measured he openly supports have proven to be failures. They cost rights with no societal benefit.
Also, his voting record and the records of the VP, SOS, and AG are very clearly stacked against gun rights.

Do I have more rights now as opposed to before Obama took office? Yes, but Obama is not to thank for that.
Obama's POLICY (what he endorses) is still the same. He's just smart enough to not be vocal about it.
The guns-in-parks was merely a ryder on must-pass credit legislation that would have getting signed regardless.
The REAL person to thank for that guns-in-parks is Senator Tom Coburn... the guy who sponsored the ammendment.

[Paladin]

30. Yeah, It Probably Does. (n/t)

[katzenjammers]

23. What about opposition to his gun policies? Does your description cover those people too?

I hope you're not saying that anybody of either or any political party who embraces the bill of rights in full is automatically a 'racist white NRA type' because that's completely wrong.

[Fire1]

18. I don't talk to pathological liers. n/t

[mr_liberal]

32. Sotomayor and Kagan will very likely

vote against gun rights on the supreme court. That would be my suggestion to them of how to respond to your question, and thats a HUGE deal. Its sort of like saying "well the Bush administration didn't do anything to take away your abortion rights" but then several anti-abortion, anti-Roe judges get put on the supreme court.

Im for both gun rights and abortion rights so I can see both sides.