okay, one more time: THERE IS NOTHING FUCKING WRONG WITH SOCIAL JUSTICE!!!

[The Damned]

You would not BELIEVE the number of Beckerheads on various sites--some political, some social-- who are speaking of social justice as though it's actually something to be feared!

Or maybe you WOULD believe it: After all, 'tis no different than the Tea Partiers protesting against policies that benefit them, ignorant (willfully or otherwise) of the fact that they're being manipulated by people who "earn" more in an hour than they do in a year!

[KonaKane]

1. Just another term they have demonized.

Beck is a lunatic. I don't know why anyone with a brain would give him the time of day.

[Cleita]

2. When they become a victim of the lack of social justice, maybe

they will see things differently. Don't worry eventually some group will start blaming their group for what's happening to them. However, it will probably be too late for either group unless they see that they are being manipulated and join together to stop the manipulators.

[jtuck004]

7. Oh, I can hardly wait. Obama is laying the ground for something with

his remarks today.

""The truth of the matter is that we're going to have to spend the next couple of years making some very hard decisions getting our deficit and spending under control," he said in response to a question about tax reform. "It's not going to be fun.""

I wonder who he envisions feeling the pain? Old people on social security or corporations who just a couple years ago were whooping it up with profits greater than any corporation in history had achieved?

- John Paulson's Four Billion Dollar Plus Long Positions
- Seven hedge fund managers broke the one-billion-dollar mark last year
-Goldman Sachs
-The 4 firms that just celebrated a winning quarter with big gains and no losses


This could get interesting. The teabaggers get their candidates in, start yelling about the deficit, and are faced with a choice between cutting their own social security and paying more taxes or taxing the corporations and upper incomes at a rate and in a way that would insure investment in this country.

Could be fun...

[sabrina 1]

40. Obama better go after the people who took the money and

demand it back from wherever they have hidden it. I hope he's not planning on taking it from the already destroyed middle class or the elderly, the sick etc.

He could stop these wars right now and we could pay for everything. Then we could start doing what Iceland is doing, throwing the thieves in jail and recouping the money they stole.

He's sounding more and more like a member of the ruling class, in Europe and elsewhere. Let's see if he can sell this and get a second term. I don't think so.

[madrchsod]

3. it`s been around for thousands of years and it`s not going way anytime soon

beckerheads are really, really, profoundly fucking stupid.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

4. I have been listening to Glenn Beck's radio show every morning

for the past month or so and he talks about equal justice vs. social justice all the time like a broken record, but he has gotten off of it the past couple of days and has started obsessing about how god is on our side not theirs (communists, marxists, one worlders, Obama, anyone in the Obama adminstration, liberals, progressives, Al Sharpton and MSNBC). He is somewhat entertaining when he isnt quoting the bible and talking about how he is fulfilling god's destiny for him.

[The Damned]

9. Sorry, but I do NOT find Beck entertaining

Unless you wish to classify Lee Harvey Oswald and John Wilkes Booth as comedians!

[spiritual_gunfighter]

22. I find horror movies and comic books entertaining n/t

and as much as I rail against these people (Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, etc.) I really had never listened to them and actually know what they are saying other than the stuff that makes the blogs. I felt like I should and now I do.

[TheMightyFavog]

28. Know thy enemy.

It's good that we got people keeping an eye on assholes like Beck.

[DaveinJapan]

5. A friend of a friend wrote a letter to his churches "authorities"

demanding to know what their mission statement meant by "Social Justice" and when they were going to remove the offensive statement.

This was on FB, so I was able to read the reply as well. Essentially it was "we're aware of the problem and are planning to alter our mission statement to make it more "Biblical", and God Bless you for bringing this important oversight to our attention".

What a bunch of loons. And so MANY of them!

k+r

[Crystal Clarity]

26. Left Wing Christian response to Beck...

Most of the babbling on Social Justice that you are hearing from Beck began over a month ago when he urged his peeps to "avoid social justice Christians like the plague they are" (or something to that effect). The demonization you are hearing from Beck is actually an attack on left wing, social justice Christians The blog below will explain it better then I can.


http://blog.sojo.net/2010/05/06/glenn-beck-immigration-and-social-justice/

Beck, Immigration, and Social Justice
by Jim Wallis 05-06-2010

After Glenn Beck said “social justice is a perversion of the gospel” and a “code” for Marxism, communism, and Nazism, I invited him to a public dialogue to discuss the true meaning of social justice, which I said was at the heart of the gospel and integral to biblical faith.

In response, Beck promised on his radio show that “the hammer” would be coming down on me and my organization, and that he would devote a week of his television show to bringing me down. I took that as a “no” to dialogue.

<<<<<snip>>>>>

You said, “America, this is what you have to understand: equal justice, not social justice. Equal justice of the law demands that law-breakers not be rewarded for their illegal activity, that instead they be treated like everyone else,” and that “equal justice” means when anyone comes to the United States illegally, they should be deported.

Glenn, I wish you could have been with me to meet a woman in Phoenix just two weeks ago. Yes, she came here illegally — as an infant, on her farm-worker father’s back 47 years ago. Her whole life has been here, her children are here, and now she works for a Christian ministry taking care of vulnerable people. Is she really a threat to us? Should she just be deported? Or should we together reform the immigration system in a fair, humane, and compassionate way?

You said, “Equal justice says she’s got to go home.” Glenn, she is home.

<<<<snip>>>>

Your definition of “equal justice” requires that every person be treated equally. So in Arizona, that means the police should be authorized to ask every person they stop for a traffic violation for proof of citizenship. There should be no discretion for those who they have a “reasonable suspicion” are undocumented. In practice, “reasonable suspicion” likely means those with darker skin or a Spanish accent. How do they know that the Caucasian who just ran a red light is not an undocumented immigrant from Canada or France? Or that the darker-skinned Hispanic isn’t a third-generation U.S. citizen? Do we really want a society like Nazi Germany or apartheid South Africa, where all people are required to carry passbooks with documentation of their status? “Reasonable suspicion” is not equal justice; it is a false solution to a real problem. The law itself is unjust, and “equal” application of an unjust law is still unjust, regardless of how “equally” it is applied.

Equal justice focuses on individuals. Social justice urges that we work to change the conditions that lead people to come to this country, rather than singling out people that the authorities suspect might be undocumented. The solution to 12 million undocumented people is to fix a broken immigration system, not to demand identity papers. Biblical justice involves standing with the most vulnerable, as well as changing structures, institutions, systems, and policies, especially in democratic governments where we have the opportunity to do so.

So Glenn, let’s talk about this.

+Click here to tell Glenn Beck you’re a social justice Christian

Jim Wallis is the author of Rediscovering Values: On Wall Street, Main Street, and Your Street — A Moral Compass for the New Economy, CEO of Sojourners and blogs at www.godspolitics.com.

[The Damned]

27. Click Where?

I'm sorry, real sorry, but when I hear/read the word Christian.....

[Crystal Clarity]

29. I know what you mean

I've felt that way for the majority of my adult life about Christians. Mainly because the only ones we hear about are the shrill, self righteous, bigoted, narrow minded, intolerant, hypocritical ect kind. But not all are that way.

...I'm just pointing out that Beck hates us too...He thinks Christianity belongs to the right only. And it's literally blowing his pea-brain that we (liberal Christians) are fighting back. That's what this Social Justice vs. Equal Justice thing is about.

BTW as one newbie to another, welcome to DU :hi:

[The Damned]

30. Indeed

If you're not C Street, Becky no say u b Christian!

[David__77]

6. And there's nothing wrong with working class solidarity and struggle.

There's nothing wrong with internationalist solidarity and anti-imperialism.

[MkapX]

8. Social Justice has made the world a better place

[dkf]

10. Exactly what does he mean when he says this anyway?

Sounds like typical buzz words to me.

[The Damned]

11. Oh, Glenny Boy word LOVE you to believe it's a buzzword!

For whatever dipshit theory he's ejaculating onto his blackboard at any given time!

Seriously, though, one must ask: Exactly what part of the term "social justice" are you having a problem with???

[dkf]

12. He is an idiot. He makes as much sense to me as Charlie Brown's teacher.

[The Damned]

13. Mrs. Donovan???

Hey, man, y-y-you know, there's no need to be DISSIN' her like that! :cry:

[dkf]

14. She has a name?

No kidding.

[The Damned]

15. Hey, man, don't MESS with Peanuts!

:patriot:

[dkf]

16. I have to admit I didn't get wah wa wah wah wah til I got older.

When I was a kid I thought she just talked weird.

[The Damned]

17. No need to feel bad about it

I felt the same way whenever Dubya opened his yap!

[dkf]

19. I feel the same way about spinmeisters period.

Meet the press can drive me nuts.

[kctim]

18. It helps if you understand

the difference in beliefs.

They don't "fear" social justice, they fear the loss of rights in its quest. They believe you have a right to have the opportunity of getting a job, not to have a job provided to by govt. They believe you have a right to access to healthcare, not to have it provided to you. etc...
They don't protest against policies that YOU think benefit them, they protest against policies that take away from what THEY think benefits them.

If you understand their beliefs, you see they don't worry about how much other people make, they just want to be left alone. Beck and others preach about govt staying out of their lives and leaving them alone. THAT is why they are so successful.

[chillspike]

20. If the teabaggers want to be left alone then they need to...

...renounce their membership to the human species.

What these teabaggers have forgotten is that the human species didn't get where it is by everyone looking out for themselves. We are a group species not a solitary species. Solitary species don't rise enough on the evolutionary chain to dominate the planet. They are weaker than group species because they are competitive even among their own species.

If they want to live like a solitary species, competitive within their own species, they need to renounce their membership to the human species and see how far they get alone.

Their ultimate and unconscious goal is to make humans a solitary species. That's where all this "Leave me and my money alone" crap is ultimately going.

The truth they can't face is that, as a group species, one individual's gain should naturally benefit the survival of the group as a whole. That's how we rose as a species. They are trying to undo everything that cooperation and compassion has given us.

[kctim]

21. And being so closedminded

accomplishes what? Nothing.

Our country was founded on the principles of each individual living and helping as they choose. That is a huge part of our US culture and it is not going to change overnight. It has taken us what, 60 or 70 years to reach this point and it will probably take another to reach the point you desire.

Like it or not, our country is pretty divided down the middle with those who want to live and help as they choose and those who want to make that choice for everybody else. We do not progress as a nation if we try to force either way onto each other overnight, we only fail. Especially when we call each other names or demand how and what the other should believe.

[The Damned]

23. You've reached 1000+ posts without being banned???

:wow:

[redqueen]

24. Overnight?

Are you joking? They've been forcing their dogma on the rest of us who disagree for over 60 years now. Enough.

[kctim]

31. The say the EXACT same thing RedQueen

and that has brought us to the point we are at as a country: fighting amongst ourselves instead of fighting together for ourselves.

[The Damned]

32. Uh, kctim...

.....why don't you just yell us a "Giggity" and crawl back into your cave?

(Seriously, people, you've been here longer than I: Who is this guy? If I spouted HALF the shit that he is, I'd be labeled a freeper troll and banned!)

[kctim]

35. Sigh

its possible that I have not been 'banned' because I do not call people names or tell them to crawl back into caves.

And IF you were to take a second and actually read what was written, you would see that I was trying to EXPLAIN what I believe their beliefs to be based on my experiences, not SPOUT beliefs which are mine.

Either way, if you are looking for a lockstep cheerleader, you can just hit ignore and never hear from me again.

[The Damned]

38. You're trying to justify Teabagger "motives,"

when you know full well what their TRUE motives are!

[kctim]

43. I neither justified

or promoted their views. What I did do is explain them, but sadly, since that does not confirm you're personal OPINION of what they believe, you choose to ignore.
But by all means, you keep believing you know better than them about what they believe.

[The Damned]

44. You have the magic 1000+ number, I don't.

Thus, I shall refrain, having been advised to do so.

[EFerrari]

34. That isn't the opinion of a closed mind, that's science.

In fact, most of the greater apes are more ethical than the teaklanners. They gather food together, they take care of each other's offspring and they protect, amuse and groom each other. Penney Patterson's gorillas certainly had a better grasp of language than they do.

And then there's group theory. An individual who lives in a group is more likely to succeed in proportion to the extent that his basic needs are consistently met. Which is why smart people understand social justice is a win-win project and idiot teaklanners whine about fictitious welfare queens and their Cadillacs, rave about "illegal aliens" and bitch about the massive foreign aid that we, in reality, do not send to other countries. These people wouldn't know their own better interests if they tripped over them on the way to fetch their social security check from the mailbox.

[havocmom]

36. LOL Funny you should mention the word choice. Teabaggers want to make decisions for all of us

but they are a very tiny percentage of the population.

Not all of us want to pick on immigrants

Not all of us think the concept of government to enact policy and action for things which are best done communally is a bad thing.

Not all of us want tax cuts for the wealthy while the Treasury is raided by the top tier using the teabaggers as tools.

Not all of us are gullible. And we prefer to form our own INFORMED opinions regarding policy, society, and equality.

[The Damned]

39. Naw, they're only CHANELING decisions

From Jee-zuss!

[havocmom]

42. word

:thumbsup:

'Because the bible says it, I believe it, that settles it!' Yep, only the voice they think is Jee-zuss is that of various editors of the Master's works.

[The Damned]

46. Ned Flanders on "The Simpsons"

"Lord, I've obeyed the Bible, even the self-contradictory parts!"

:rofl:

[havocmom]

25. No, they 'believe' white people get rights and 'social justice' wants rights for all

They want the right to veto others' rights for punitive purposes and/or for the issue of color/gender/orientation.

They want slaves so they can feel strong and important.

edited for typo in subject line

[kctim]

33. Ummmm, yea

you go right on believing those excuses to be fact. I'll stick with trying to do something productive.

[AnArmyVeteran]

37. The BIBLE has 2000 references to social justice!!!!

Beck even attacks empathy and compares it to Hitler. The right wing is pure evil.

[The Damned]

41. Not the C Street Bible!

Nooooooo, in that version, you get to lie, cheat and steal in Jesus' name! 'cause, well, you know, He wants you to do so! Yeah, that's it!

[AnArmyVeteran]

45. And don't forget the fornication those C-Streeters are engaged in!!!

If it's evil, it's religious right!

[troubledamerican]

47. Justice = not opposed by the average American

[Juche]

48. Yes the white, heterosexual christians in Becks audience hate social justice

They either don't need it or too dumb to realize they benefit from it (there are tons of women in Becks audience). Same with welfare, when the ones who are 70 and on social security & medicare rail against welfare.

I hope these clowns collapse in on their own stupidity.