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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:14 AM Original message |
Romanticizing Republicans and Dubya - Comparing Obama To Neocons - The Miranda Question |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. We must have a check on Executive Branch Power lest we morph into a Monarchy. eom |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Which is exactly why Holder is bringing the issue to Congress, glad you are starting to see the |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Holder is part of the Executive Branch. Shame on him for flaunting the Constitution. eom |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. As Attorney General I think it's part of his job to "flaunt" our Constitution |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. I Think Democrats and Liberals Should Flaunt The Constitution |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Once again, Your "Monarchy" Argument That It Is Okay if Congress and Supreme Court concur... |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Disagree. Even if Congress and Supreme Court Concur, May Not Make It Right |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
2. Thanks for posting I have been making the same argument. This is a complex issue |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. No, human rights via the Constitution are not ambiguous. They are FIRM and CLEAR. eom |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Yet the Miranda ruling and rights came from an interpretation rather than a direct reading |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. Kudos To You For Trying To Engage In Discussion... |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Right back at you, this is an interesting topic and it certainly warrants some in depth discussion |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
11. The Quarles case concerns an "immediate interest" |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. No, In Quarles, The Suspect Was In Custody, Thus The Need For Miranda... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. you know the distinction I was making |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. When you are stopped by a police officer, you are not in custody... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. In the real world none of this matters, of course |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. What do you do with someone that is openly hostile to the US and swears they are going to kill |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. All of these grim hypotheticals have normal criminal law analogs |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. To be honest I am not sure what the system's options are in the case you describe |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. It will always be the case in an open society |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. From my understanding of the issue it's more than just the lawyer |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. A more appropriate example- A bomber is captured such as the Times Square Bomber |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Do you want the law changed or not? |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Here Is The Current Law...President and Congress Can't Change Supreme Court Ruling |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I really think that New York v Quarles opened the door that there are not absolutes in terms |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. opening the door is a trial term, not a Constitutional concept |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I don't "shit-canning" is a good choice of words. Neither Holder or the courts |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Miranda has always gotten in the way of saving lives. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. response to questions |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I recognize the valid interest in other plots |
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