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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:30 PM
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YO ALBERTO: Gonzales May Have Been Involved In Effort to Sacrifice Libby For Rove!
Edited on Tue Jan-30-07 03:32 PM by kpete
Yo Alberto!
by Steve Soto

Yes, Judy Miller is now on the stand at the Libby trial, but look who the Vice President's office dragged into the muck today:

Libby’s attorneys have accused White House officials of sacrificing Libby to protect President Bush’s top political adviser, Karl Rove. During cross-examination Tuesday, attorney Theodore Wells suggested that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who was counsel to the president in 2003, may have been involved in that effort.

Wells has described Rove as crucial to the Republican Party and said Tuesday that Gonzales was tasked with protecting Bush’s interests. Addington corrected him, saying White House counselors protect the interest of the office and the Constitution.

I love the smell of White House sectarian battles.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/009733.php
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:31 PM
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How the mighty might fall! Fitz did this in Chicago, didn't he? He
picked them off one at a time. :applause: :applause:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:32 PM
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2. He's doing it in Chicago again. Has his sight set on another governor,
I fear.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:53 PM
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11. Why yes, yes he did.
Took him 6 years but he got the guy at the top and took down 20-40 people on the way there. (Can't remember the number) Let's hope for a repeat performance.

:applause:



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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:31 PM
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1. It just gets better and better! nt
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:35 PM
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3. Hilarious!!!! Dog eat dog.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:46 PM
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4. Oh how I would love to see
each and everyone of those slimy, cancerous, low-lifes fall all at the same time. Go Fitz!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:46 PM
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5. Gonzales doesn't even know what's in the Constitution; how can he protect it?
Has anyone seen my good friend Habeas Corpus? He was here during the Clinton administration, but he seems to be locked up in Gitmo.

I have to wonder how much toilet paper the White House uses, what with all that ass-wiping going on there.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:57 PM
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6. Can an AG be Impeached?
Yes! Any Govt. Official can be Impeached. AG Gonzo needs to be Impeached forthwith!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:08 PM
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7. I don't think we give him enough credit. He's a creator. He's very
creative.

He's a creator to George's decider.

He's creating a new Constitution for the Bush family and their friends and partners.

Normally, we support creative people.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:09 PM
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8. Fitzgerald is meticulously building evidence of the players in a c-o-n-s-p-i-r-a-c-y.
Edited on Tue Jan-30-07 04:12 PM by seafan
..A conspiracy to out a deep cover CIA agent for pure revenge against her husband and for trying to cover up involvement of the White House and the OVP.

And it is a sight to behold.

It ain't about just little Scooter any more.


(Thanks to http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/009733.php">The Left Coaster and kpete for finding this gem.)
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:15 PM
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9. Does what we've learned about the Fleisher resignation and the
insight into the way the lawyer's work for Cheney and George plus all the subpoenas - make anyone think the resignation of Harriet Meirs might mean something in this trial?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 07:16 PM
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12. Not sure about Meirs, but I think Rumsfeld's resignation is interesting.
It wasn't the elections or the war, I'm pretty sure of that. Re: elections, when does the Bush Junta give a fuck about what the American people think? They don't--ever. Re: the war. Anything changed? Nope.

So what was it?

If you think a bit about the issues BEHIND the Libby trial--the Niger forgeries (Pentagon connections likely behind them), and the Junta effort to circumvent the honest professionals at the CIA, by, among other things, Rumsfeld creating the Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon (for cooking the intel)--you gotta wonder what ELSE these criminals were up to, and who had the most direct operational oversight with regard to intelligence, cooking intelligence, "hunting" for the WMDs, torture, rendition, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, and....? My guess: attempting to PLANT nukes in Iraq, to be "found" by US troops who were "hunting" for them. And IF that is what Rumsfeld was up to, the main bar to that nefarious scheme would be the CIA's international Brewster-Jennings WMD counter-proliferation network, headed by Valerie Plame. It was their JOB to detect and prevent illicit WMD movement.

I can see that Fitzgerald is building a case against Cheney and a case for conspiracy, but that conspiracy--on the political end of things--may be the last line of defense against exposure of the REAL or PRIMARY reason that Plame and B/J were outed--to cover up not just the cooking of intel, but the manufacture of evidence to support the phony intel. And both of these things (cooking intel/manufacturing evidence) would be Rumsfeld's bailiwick.

There's a memo in which Cheney says they shouldn't blame the outing* on one guy (presumably Libby) because of the "incompetence of others." Who could he mean? Could be the "incompetence" of the other outers of Plame. But it could be something else--the "incompetence" of those who couldn't get the WMDs planted in Iraq. That is, Rumsfeld's incompetence--or the incompetence of all those shady characters that the Pentagon was funding or had contact with (--people like bank felon and known liar Chalabi, notorious Iran/Contra arms dealer and known liar Ghorbanifar, and rabid NeoCons like Michael Ladeen).

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*(Many of us make the mistake of thinking in terms of one outing--that of Plame, on 7/14/03. But there were TWO outings--the first of Plame, and then an ADDITIONAL outing, of the entire B/J network, on 7/22/03. So, if foreign bad guys hadn't connected the dots between Plame and covert US counter-proliferation people in their own country, they got extra help by being told, in the newspaper, that Brewster-Jennings was the front company. Thus, all of our deep cover agents/contacts in foreign countries were put in peril of their lives, and all of their efforts to prevent WMD proliferation were disabled. A related theory of Traitorgate has to do with what happened between July 14 and July 22--the highly suspicious death of the Brits WMD expert and whistleblower David Kelly, on July 17. His office and computers were searched. THEN B/J was outed. I suspect that the "dark matter" that Judith Miller didn't want to testify about--re her meeting with Libby--may have had to do with Kelly, an old colleague of Miller's, and the one to whom he wrote his last email, on the day he died, in which he expressed concern about the "many dark actors playing games." (Yup, Kelly wrote this to Judith Miller, on the day he died. He was found the next day, near his home, outdoors under a tree, supposedly having slit one wrist (minor artery) and bled to death all night, in the rain. Note: Kelly was a scientist--and a very good one, from all reports.) My suspicion is that Kelly knew something about a scheme to plant WMDs in Iraq, and was killed because of what he knew. (He had been outed to his bosses, interrogated at a "safe house," and threatened with the "Official Secrets Act," in the week leading up to the Plame outing, July 1-7. He had begun whistleblowing anonymously to the BBC, about the "sexed up" pre-war WMD intel, in late May.) The Miller/Libby meeting content was a big issue between Miller and Fitzgerald, and I believe that he agreed, finally, to let her testify only to the parts of the meeting that pertained to national security leaks and Wilson/Plame. What is she hiding? Does the "dark matter" (my term) that she does not want to be questioned about have anything to do with the "dark actors playing games" that Kelly was worried about, hours before his suspicious death? And if Libby, Miller and the entire top level of the Bush regime was worried about insider WMD whistleblowers in the US--Wilson, Plame--wouldn't they be equally worried about WMD whistleblowers in the UK, which was in cahoots with the Bush Junta on cooking WMD intel? It seems like it would be a logical thing to come up, in the Libby-Miller meeting in mid-June--with all hell breaking loose in England at the same time, over Miller's old friend Kelly and his BBC whistleblowing.)
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 08:43 PM
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13. I think everyone thinks all of this started with the SOTU speech.
Edited on Tue Jan-30-07 08:48 PM by higher class
Though it's true that they built-in their lie to get their war with those 16 words, the entire story isn't about what followed it, but what preceded it. As you say.

And it isn't just about stockpiles of wmd, but also the commercial trading in it - before, during, and after.

There are leftover tidbits of questionable loose ends in the rumor that we left something (vile?) buried someplace in Iraq during Iraq War I. Then, there was a story on the internet early on about how soldiers were sent on a mission to move something soon after shock and awe and they got very sick.

What if this might be true and there was something there, but a leftover, and that what was supposed to be there was what they were planning to 'find' to rationalize it all and make themselves our saviors so they could get carte blanche. And they would get Iraqis to do what PNAC planned and thought they would to - receive us and let us make deals on the oil in exchange for all these improvements in their country (as if they needed us - or make that ... as if they needed Halliburton, Blackwell, KBR, etc. making profits there). And let us build our military bases moving them out of the U.S. and Germany, plus Saudi Arabia.

We know about pillaging of the national treasures of Iraq and the region = The Cradle of Civilization. We know rumors about supplies of U.S. made storage units of weapons being pillaged. It could be that the buried 'weapons' were also pillaged.

Rumors, secrets, and private gain doesn't make for honest government - it makes for private government.

In addition to Kelly - there were about 1 1/2 dozen (?) abrupt deaths of other biological scientists during that period.

Additionally, the internet is full of stuff about Khan of Pakistan, Khashoggi, Cheney trading in nuclear 'parts'.

And, rumors tell us that B-J was investigating the trafficking of nuclear parts.

Was the discovery that there was a branch of the CIA investigating trafficking the key that kicked it all off. And maybe things were set up from there?

I can't imagine how dark the dark stuff is. I can accept that they would use Judith Miller and the NYT to disseminate planted nuggets of persuasion, but I can't believe they would include her to the degree they seem to have done.

Did Chalabi discover the planted stuff and move it to Iran?

Was the planted stuff depleted uranium (which makes people sick) and yellowcake?

How would a renowned author script it? Are our leaders just authors or desperately more?

We are so stupid, so gullible, so trusting ... just as we were programmed to be. I go back to my usual rant - we need to throw out the school books and bible and Torah lessons and stop lying to our kids. We are not a democracy and we are not led by good guys.

And if we're gullible, think about all the stockholders of the weapons companies and reconstruction following destruction companies, plus the service companies who cater to war. They will be the last ones to throw out the books and stop lying to children.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:30 AM
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21. There were two reports in the Islamic press of covert WMD movement by
the US into Iraq. One at the Basra port, of WMDs (some kind of rockets) in boxes with Red Cross covers. Another, of a Pentagon debriefer who heard reports of a friendly fire incident, described as a botched CIA effort to move WMDs into Iraq (but it seems likely that, if true, it was a botched Pentagon effort, or perhaps CIA white hat vs. CIA black (Bushite) hat). Also, there was a strange report in a Congressman's book about a Manucher Ghorbanifar incident, him trying to get the CIA to believe that Iran had stolen Saddam's nukes and taken them to Iran--a story that evaporated upon investigation. Ghorbanifar tried to disguise who he was. He's persona non grata at the CIA, a known liar--notorious Iran-Contra arms dealer. He was present at the Rome meeting in late 2001, where many suspect that the Niger forgeries were cooked up. Re: the first two reports, if they are true, I would suspect that witnesses were tortured/disappeared. So, no confirming reports or followups. The Ghorbanifar story could have been aimed at getting US forces to cross the border chasing WMDs, escalating the war right into Iran in 2003. But its flimsiness (according to the report) makes you think, hm-m. Could it have been Ghorbanifar probing for CIA weaknesses and Bushite -type gullibility, or, more interesting, ferreting out who the honest professionals were, to get them called off/purged? This would make sense if Ghorbanifar, at that time, was the point person of the Rome group for procuring and moving WMDs into Iraq. They needed to know who would try to stop them.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 03:46 AM
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20. Fleischer announced he was resigning that summer in May 2003. He was already going out the door
before they played "leak to the press" on Plame.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:48 PM
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10. Addington said he showed Gonzales every subpoenaed document
Libby's attorneys have accused White House officials of sacrificing Libby to protect President Bush's top political adviser, Karl Rove. During cross-examination Tuesday, attorney Theodore Wells suggested that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who was counsel to the president in 2003, may have been involved in that effort.

Wells has described Rove as crucial to the Republican Party and said Tuesday that Gonzales was tasked with protecting Bush's interests. Addington corrected him, saying White House counselors protect the interest of the office and the Constitution.

Addington said he showed Gonzales every subpoenaed document before sending it to the Justice Department. After reviewing a note in which Cheney said Libby was being sacrificed to protect another staffer, Addington said he believed he showed it to Gonzales and called Cheney's personal lawyer, Terrence O'Donnell.

"You told Mr. O'Donnell you thought this was a very important document?" Wells asked, before Fitzgerald objected and the line of questioning was cut off.

The Justice Department had no immediate comment Tuesday. Gonzales has recused himself from the case.

http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2007/01/30/ap/headlines/d8mvo22g2.txt
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 10:02 PM
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14. Ooooh. n/t

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 10:05 PM
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15. FDL's name for Gonzales is ABU GONZALES
Edited on Tue Jan-30-07 10:06 PM by mod mom
:rofl:
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 10:32 PM
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16. This case stinks so much CONSPIRACY
It Reeks!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:52 PM
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17. ROFLMAO!!! KR
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:44 AM
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18. KCIK
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:53 AM
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19. Did you hear the caller in on the radio today, I think it was the
Rachel Maddow show, who said we should impeach Gonzalez? Her point was that John Dean said we should go after the more minor characters first because their indictments and subsequent trials will provide more and more information that will lead to snaring the big fishes, Cheney and Bush.
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