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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:07 AM Original message |
Kagan helped shield Saudis from 9/11 lawsuits |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. Shielded the Saudis, and protected the whole Siegelman vote rigging ring--was there quid pro quo? |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
2. Obama wouldn't choose anyone who would make waves for the oligarchy. |
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pocoloco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
62. Political genus! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. Bump |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
29. . |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's called Sovereign Immunity |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. People here are confused as to why she followed the law. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. There seems to be a lot of that going around |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Except for the fact that you are completely and factually WRONG. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Huh? Libya was not considered a "friendly state" back then, and was... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:38 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Don't let details get in the way of a good froth |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. I said that YOU are factually WRONG and you ARE. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:20 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. The suit was barred under FSIA, that is a very simple fact |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #48 |
81. the problem is that the saudis are not on the list and should be. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #81 |
102. You are exactly correct. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #102 |
123. "This whole notion of this being consistent with the law is bullshit" |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. If I could get you to glance at reality for just a second, |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #48 |
90. Doesn't the president decide who is on that list of state terrorists? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. No |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #92 |
104. I don't Libya mentioned in this post. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #104 |
115. I'm not sure what you are asking |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #90 |
103. Some of it went through the Pakistani intelligence agency ISI. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #26 |
66. Why should that matter? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. For a couple of reasons |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. That's pretty much just what I said |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #74 |
105. So was the Lockerbie case some kind of innoculation or something? |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #105 |
114. The families lobbied Congress for an exemption in the Lockerbie case |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #105 |
116. Read the excerpt you posted above |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 06:37 AM Response to Reply #116 |
120. So the facts of the two cases are the same? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Again, you confuse the law as it "should" be with the law as it is |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #121 |
130. Don't give up yet, you're almost there. |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #26 |
86. How can Saudi Arabia be considered a 'friend' when 15 of the 19 terrorists came from their country? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. And most KKK members are US citizens |
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AnArmyVeteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Yeah, I see your point... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #93 |
131. Saudi Arabia finances those Islamic schools from which terrorists come |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. Don't forget the guy who was supposedly in charge of the whole thing. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #26 |
89. Because if they sponsored terrorism, they should be recognized as such, |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. "the lawsuit that Kagan stopped" |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #94 |
111. I understand how the courts work, but Kagan did not have |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #111 |
122. Read post 121 |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. I supported Kagan's nomination until I heard a snippet of her |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:43 AM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Clearly You Should Have Written The Brief For The Other Side |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #35 |
44. I simply pointed out that YOUR analysis is WRONG. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. You really ought to read the decision |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:43 AM Response to Reply #44 |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #35 |
53. I have to go with the other poster. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I did that because he keeps misinterpreting my words. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I'm sorry you think that |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
70. Keep it up, and perhaps the Pron guy and RB McTexas will rally to your side! |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #56 |
72. But why, given that evidence has it that all the terrorist of 911 were both funded and sourced |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Those are great questions |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #76 |
106. So now you are arguing that soveign immunity is irrelevant? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #106 |
117. Once more, with feeling |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
101. Did somebody get his feelings hurt? ALERT! ALERT! nt |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
107. I know that this thread is about Kagan's involvement in this case. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #107 |
118. Bingo - and here's a larger point about Kagan |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
108. The problem most people have is that the laws are not being followed. |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
73. Could suit have been brought in International courts? nt |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #73 |
79. On behalf of private individuals, no /nt |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
124. Yes, nations are immune, _until we declare war on them_, THEN |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. Bump |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. "But Kagan, acting as President Obama's Solicitor General, argued " |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Notice That Specter's "Solution" Here Is To Amend The Law That Barred This Suit |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
8. Bump |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'm not digging this Kagan selection. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. In Your View, Then, How Did This Suit Satisfy The Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act? |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I was not commenting on the suit. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. And the law provides mechanisms for changing the law |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. She seems to think the unitary dictatorship thing is cool |
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noise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Note how "the law" becomes all important when |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. bravo |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
126. . |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
36. To any attorney, the client's interests are certainly "all important" |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
42. if it had been someone in, say, the Hugo Chavez admin who sponsored the hijackers |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #42 |
57. Why would the court have decided differently |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. oh, I see, as with "terrorists," countries can be "designated" at our govt's whims |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I guess you weren't going to answer the question |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #64 |
75. Cuba, supporting all those terrorist Doctors in the third world. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Your issue is with the State Department, not Kagan |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #77 |
82. My issue is with this government. I'm so sick of backward |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. I agree completely |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
97. nothing is less potent |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. indeed |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #97 |
119. Amen |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
39. is suing "members of the royal family" the same as "suing a country"? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:02 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. A good place to start would be in the court's decision denying jurisdiction |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #14 |
43. Damn, branders, I guess berryhill nor his posse |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. It's all about persuasion |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. lol, poor fella |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. I agree completely with your sentiments about the course taken since Reagan |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
16. Bump |
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ejbr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:41 AM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Forrest...Gump n/t |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:20 AM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Close, actually ... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
18. K & friggin R. nt |
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Obamaknowzz (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
20. Jeez, Obama is the best "democrat" friend the Bushtypes ever had. |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:49 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Oh for fucks sake. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #32 |
45. oh, really? |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. You got it! And Kagan will play an instrumental part in that, if she |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #45 |
59. Yes really. Claiming that Obama is plotting the next "Perle" Harbor goes beyond "teh stupid". |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. who said HE's plotting it? |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
109. Is there any substantial policy difference? |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. The fact that you ask that question "seriously" shows it's pretty pointless to answer. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. So you can't see anything either. |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. We both know that's not why you asked. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
129. "Perle Harbor" |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
22. Demoralizing. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
23. ^%*@$! |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
24. Yummmm |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. . |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Umm yea. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #33 |
84. Apparently a lot of peeps here are under the impression that Status Quo is Latin for Hope and Change |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
37. It's Changetacular® ! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
25. 'because it would interfere with US foreign policy with the oil-rich nation.' |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
30. . |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
38. I agree with Kristen Breitweiser |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:21 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Yes. Que the contortionists. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
127. . |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #38 |
55. It would be great, and our right as American citizens |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #38 |
85. What you call spinning.... |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
46. Yes, yes, we must have this wonderful, clear-thinking, humanitarian |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
63. K&R to combat the noise from Tools of the Empire (n/t) |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
65. Rut roh |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
67. At least she's never taken a DIME from Goldman Sachs! |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #67 |
83. I see what you did there... |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
71. Interfere with US foreign policy with the oil rich nation |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
80. Bookmarking. n/t |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
87. TeaBagger Headlines "Kagan flew jet into WTC after leading terrorist training camps." |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
88. I sometimes wonder whether we are, in fact, ruled by the Saudi princes |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Might as well be |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #88 |
98. Same difference. |
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