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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:47 PM
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Boycott Barnes and Noble.
They have a banner ad on Hush Limbaugh's homepage.
I'm stunned that Barnes and Noble is supporting that turd by advertising on his website.
They hardly seem the sort of company that would support a dope-addled idiot who would mock Michael J. Fox's medical condition and write a song entitled "Barack the Magic Negro".
I sent a nasty-gram to them via the customer service section of their website and called them as well.

Contact them here...
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/help/customer_service/cs_cds2.asp?PID=7973&z=y
or call
1-800-THE-BOOK
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:50 PM
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1. No. They're a business doing business.
Having an ad on a site you don't like is no reason to boycott them.

How about we boycott you? There's ample justification considering that you've been spending time on Limbaugh's website. :eyes:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:53 PM
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5. Exactly.
I've seen online ads HERE that might be considered questionable. But I'm sure as hell not going to boycott DU.

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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:55 PM
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7. Sponsoring hate is EVERY reason to boycott them
OxyRush isn't paying for his airtime out of his own pockets. His advertisers are. His advertisers are the ones handing him the microphone and saying "Here. Go ahead. Say whatever you like." If they're enabling that scumbag, I'm going to Borders.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:58 PM
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11. Borders isn't Blue; B&N is.
They probably deal with third-party ad bundlers and don't make "here and there" decisions on their ad placements on the web. Write them and see what they have to say about it.
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:03 PM
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15. They were last time I looked
Unfortunately, buyblue.org isn't around to check, but I remember being pretty happy that something like 98% of their corporate political donations went to Democrats.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:13 PM
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21. They advertize on Premiere radio network.
Which has a ton of programs, not just Limbaugh. They also do George Noory's Hour of Batshit Konspiracy Loonasy
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:18 PM
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25. EXACTLY. Geez. Anyone who signs up to DU to immediately demand "we" boycott
a company, bears a bit of scrutiny. MKJ
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 05:57 PM
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33. I'm pretty sure that Borders is in the apolitical area.
(i.e., either gave equal amounts to both parties or no money to either party.) I don't have a problem with a company being apolitical. In fact, it's my preference since I don't think that corporations should be trying to influence politicians. (Yes, I'm a hopeless idealist.)
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:56 PM
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8. Why not?
They're lining Rush's pockets and thus enabling his message. That's a great reason to boycott them.



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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:02 PM
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14. of course, the reason people advertise there
is because people visit there. so the OP contributed to Rush's bottom line by visiting.

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:07 PM
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18. And we're contributing to pigboy's bottom line by discussing him,
making him a controversial figure, and encouraging other DUers to visit the website to see what OP is talking about.

Oh where does it end????

:cry:
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:03 PM
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16. Hey let's be nice!
But, don't you think that when RL's followers finally learn to read, that they will be needing some good books to read?
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:51 PM
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2. Before you do, know that the owner is a big Dem contributor
Edited on Sat May-05-07 03:53 PM by Sabriel
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=New+York&st=NY&last=riggio&first=leonard

(I tried to restrain myself (unsuccessfully) from saying, "Don't Barnes & Noble know those people don't read books?")
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:52 PM
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3. As they're basically a Blue company, why not just Write to them first?
Edited on Sat May-05-07 03:55 PM by mcscajun
And I don't mean a "nastygram"; I mean a real paper letter with a stamp. Ask them Why they're advertising on that site. See what kind of response you get.

Boycott BN? No thanks. They don't give a Dime to Republicans. You want a bookseller to avoid? Amazon. Red right down the line.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:53 PM
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4. Done, thanks, K&R. nt
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:54 PM
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6. Companies often have no idea what sites their banners are appearing on.
They buy advertising from third party advertising companies who sometimes show them across their network of affiliates. I don't know if this is the case with B&N but don't be so quick to jump on them without knowing the facts.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:57 PM
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9. Well...
Edited on Sat May-05-07 03:57 PM by wtmusic
It may behoove B&N to find out where their ads are appearing. Especially if they get enough negative PR from this.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:00 PM
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13. No argument.
Edited on Sat May-05-07 04:01 PM by drm604
I was just pointing out something that the OP seemed to be unaware of. Boycotting them over something they may not even be aware of is not a wise course of action.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:58 PM
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10. Oh! But the discounts.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:59 PM
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12. Another inconvenient truth
Dayum!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:03 PM
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17. No. When a company buys advertising they don't know where their ads will wind up -
Edited on Sat May-05-07 04:04 PM by IndyOp
You can contact them and ask them if they know that their ads are appearing on Limpball's site and tell them you want them to demand that their ads NOT appear on reich-wing hate sites.

Remember the campaign that got Disney Family Channel to demand that their ads not be played on a California hate radio program? Disney did not know their ad money was supporting hate radio & they took action to pull those spots.

Do the same with B&N -- document Limpball's hate speech and then demand B&N require Google keep their ads off of that type of site.
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:14 PM
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23. I don't buy that for a second
Disney did not know their ad money was supporting hate radio

That is complete and utter BS. I remember talking to a friend of mine who is an advertising salesperson for a radio station about that incident. She knew damn well that ad buyers scrutinize every bit of demographic information related to the programs where their ads will appear. They do that to ensure they're getting their money's worth, but they also do it to make sure they don't step on any landmines like that one.

Disney's denial of any knowledge of where they were running their ad was nothing more than PR spin. The knew they were going to get kicked in the teeth in the media, and lied their way out of it.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:31 PM
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29. General demographic information is not the same as knowing the content of a particular show...
Edited on Sat May-05-07 04:32 PM by IndyOp
I know that they certainly get information about the number of people who listen to their ads and/or the number of times the ad is played. They also get information about ages, gender, economic, and political demographics. There are "black lists" for both right and left wing talk radio -- advertisers who don't want their ads associated with anything controversial at all -- just sports and music, please. Still, knowing demographics of the stations that play the ads does not mean that they know the particular content of specific shows -- particularly local shows. IIRC, the specific hate radio show to which I am referring was a local, not a national show. Finally - if the company gets general descriptions of national shows, but does not listen to it themselves, then they don't necessarily know what is being said. I never listened to Imus so I had no idea how offensive he could be until the worst of his remarks were gathered together and posted online. I think radio personalities should be held accountable for the worst of their remarks and that we should tell companies when we are offended by their ads supporting certain shows.

This particular OP hit me the wrong way because Barnes & Noble is a blue company and because Google ads are notoriously "not-well-targeted" -- what about lefty ads that show up on Ann Coulter's site -- should I boycott those left organizations, books, websites?

On edit: My initial example in the last sentence made no sense...
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:09 PM
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19. No.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:12 PM
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20. Here's a thought: buy from your local bookstore
or <gasp> go to the library. Blue or not, these mega-chains ain't good for us in the long run.

Remember when Walmart used to be patriotic?
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:15 PM
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24. Local bookstore?
Oh, I don't shop there - they don't sell anything but Bibles at the only one I know of.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:14 PM
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22. The place is a public library. All the books have been read/fingered/dog eared
by loafers who sit around & never buy anything. The coffee house part is filled with Asian students sharing their homework problems.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:19 PM
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26. um, no. there are real people working there just trying to make a living.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:21 PM
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27. So are the people who work for Blackwater. nt
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:27 PM
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28. that is ridiculous.
Edited on Sat May-05-07 04:30 PM by KG
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:43 PM
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30. OK, it's one thing to be free and loose with online ads. However,
when a company gives a long term customer the idiot treatment, that's something else.

About four months ago, I emailed B&N about the Limbaugh ad, saying that I didn't understand why a quality company would associate in any way with a racist and bigot who would publicly mock someone with a serious medical condition.

What I received in answer was a obviously canned message probably keyed to respond to the words racist and bigot informing while B&N understood my concerns, it believed in offering a wide ranged of opinions in its book selection.

I wrote back and said to the effect "Hello, I didn't say a word about your books. I said ... cut and paste.

I received exactly the same message again.

So, maybe I didn't hit the right button, but B&N no longer gets any of my money.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:53 PM
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31. I had heard earlier that Barnes and Noble supported dems.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:53 PM
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32. I had heard earlier that Barnes and Noble supported dems.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 06:06 PM
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34. Then there's CheapBooks, who advertises on DU.
I doubt they know it.

Some, like "Elect Lee T Horne III" probably specify DU. Others, like Chroma Knife, probably not.

Then there's the spate of Bhutan ads. Probably triggered by Google's search engine tagging a recent post about Bhutan. Let's all support DU and go to Bhutan. :eyes:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 06:07 PM
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35. No.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 06:41 PM
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36. A book store supporting an appeal to illiteracy?
Strange indeed.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:00 PM
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37. I'm sure B&N is unaware of this.
They definitely wouldn't want their advertisements being wasted on people who don't read.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:02 PM
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38. Ideally, there'd be plenty of independent stores to go to instead.
Now they're like hens' teeth. :(
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