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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:15 PM
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'They just threw me in jail'-Round Lake Park woman protests penalty for T-shirt
'They just threw me in jail'
Round Lake Park woman protests penalty for T-shirt


A Round Lake Park woman was held in contempt and jailed for two days for the message on her T-shirt.

The message was: "I own the (female body part), so I make the rules."

Jennifer LaPenta, 19, of Round Lake Park, was cited for contempt of court and sentenced to two days in jail for wearing an inappropriate T-shirt in the Lake County Courthouse.


Jennifer LaPenta, 19, was released from the Lake County Jail Tuesday.

"They should be out looking for people who are breaking the law, not arresting someone wearing a T-shirt," LaPenta said.

Associate Judge Helen Rozenburg charged LaPenta with contempt of court for wearing the garment in her courtroom Monday. LaPenta was sitting in the gallery waiting for a friend's case to be called when the judge called her forward.

Rozenburg asked LaPenta if she thought her shirt was appropriate.

LaPenta said she told the judge that it would have been inaprorpriate had she been the defendant.

Rozenburg immediately sentenced her to 48 hours in jail and had her cuffed, LaPenta said.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/newssun/news/2236168,5_1_WA05_LAPENTA_S1-100505.article
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:16 PM
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1. vulva?
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:17 PM
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3. Mulva - I think it was Mulva... n/t

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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 03:04 PM
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66. Delores... nt
TYY :D
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:51 PM
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95. De-lor-es!
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:32 PM
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12. Another reason why women should not drive Volvos....
How's your Volvo running?
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:38 PM
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14. My volva is seething.
A little Pagan play on words.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:46 PM
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17. LOL
:hi:
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:07 PM
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21. My Volvo won't start.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:25 PM
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41. Cause you need my key
:rofl:
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:49 PM
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57. Lose the key
get no new-key!
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:17 PM
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2. Lewdness does not play well in court, regardless of what plumbing one 'owns.'
LaPenta should take it as a lesson in how to not be so scummy.

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:42 PM
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15. hahahahahahahah!
hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl:

Yes, freedom of expression stops at the courtroom door!

hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl:
hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl:
hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl:

It's a damned activist judgette !!!!!

hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl:
hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl:
hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl: hahahahah! :rofl:

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:43 PM
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16. And PLEASE!!!!!!!! No white pants after Labor Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahah! hahahahah! hahahahah! hahahahah!
hahahahah! hahahahah! hahahahah! hahahahah!
hahahahah! hahahahah! hahahahah! hahahahah!
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:16 PM
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27. hey there! nice to see you around!
agreed. Where did all these authoritarian types crawl in from? Wow - on one side of DU there are patriots clutching their hearts and the fourth amendment with tears of patriotism (or paranoia) in their eyes talking about protecting our freedoms and we have some people here who have NO idea that with authority comes responsibility to instruct, not to bludgeon people into conformity and pretend it has something to do with instilling decorum and respect. The only thing that girl got instilled in her was resentment and distrust.

I would say the judge failed to do anything but act like a petty tyrant.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 03:12 PM
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68. That's the whole point
In his/her courtroom, he/she is G-d and makes the rules. That's just the way it is.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 03:39 PM
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69. I get that it's just the way it is
I get that they hang gay teenagers in Iran and that some people bludgeon baby seals for fur and for fun. Just because "that's the way it is" doesn't make it right.

A judge should have as little discretion as possible in sentencing and in directing anything to do with "decorum". That's what the bailiff and the door are for in matters relating to the gallery.

Most especially, the reason for that discretion is to control the proceedings in front of the bench to keep vexacious and disruptive people from wasting everyone's time. Controlling a t-shirt in the gallery with a "contempt of court" ruling is beyond petty and is not something I would continue to allow in the judiciary if it were up to me, ESPECIALLY in traffic court. The administrative judge does have the power to set some limits on their bench judges, and after this incident certainly should.

That woman clearly had control issues and a person with control issues is not someone who should have virtually unlimited discretion to abuse authority.

Anyway the object lesson was not taught to the individual. All she learned was that some judges are neither impartial nor fair, and get away with it. That's actually teaching DISrespect for the court in a way that runs much deeper than outerwear.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:17 PM
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83. And I'm pretty sure
there is absolutely no recourse. You can't sue the judge or appeal a contempt citation (I don't think). I agree the judge overstepped in this case but there is really nothing that can be done short of voting her out.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:15 AM
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103. yep
You are right about that - contempt of court and contempt of congress are one of those processes that really require some form of check that is absent. Voting somebody out does not give back the heartbeats lost sitting in jail, and putting someone in jail is equivalent to disallowing their civil rights. To do so capriciously is un American. Recall the HUAC contempt charges that had people molding in jail for multiple years during McCarthy, merely for exercising their fifth amendment right, of all things.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 04:59 PM
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79. Well, she thinks she is. But she's just a civil servant.
In the final analysis IT IS NOT HER COURTROOM, IT IS OURS.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:13 PM
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81. Not until you vote her out
You are speaking of what should be. I'm speaking of what is.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:24 PM
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86. True, you are writing about what's fucked up
Voting is only one of a handful of approaches that are possible. The Judiciary is not completely autonomous, it answers to itself, and it can also be constrained by legislative actions.

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CurtEastPoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:22 PM
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36. Mrs. Hinkle... are you insane? n/t
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:12 PM
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61. But, of COURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:18 PM
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4. Clear cut case of contempt of court.
That sort of thing has been considered contempt of court for a very long time.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:21 PM
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6. yes and contempt court is a discretionary subjective call.
Which makes judicial "prudence" and discretion even more of a joke.

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:27 PM
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10. Actually, it makes the court room a place of decorum and procedure
Violate it at the cost of your freedom for a short time.

It is designed specifically to instill respect. When a person demonstrates blatant disregard for the decorum and respect of the court room, they get what they deserve.

She's lucky she only spent two days in jail. She should also have to pay a stiff fine and do public service for her crime.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:09 PM
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22. Anathema to me.
You cannot "instill respect" - that is a completely fallacious idea. All you can do is punish people for not conforming to YOUR idea of respect.

And public service is slavery, pure and simple. Another non-liberal non-progressive concept designed by people looking for free labor and unrestricted by any control but discretion. It's disgusting and shameful, in America of all places.

No she's not "lucky she only spent two days in jail". She should have been asked to leave the courtroom at most - this is a travesty of authoritarian excess, as is your statement. Seriously leaves me wondering.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:12 PM
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23. You're against community service sentences?
So then, I take it you're for more jail time?
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:17 PM
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28. I am against community service.
do NOT put words in my mouth.

It is not either/or. Community service is a form of slavery - we won't hire people who need jobs to go pick up trash, we'll get free labor from the judiciary instead.

I take it you're for slavery?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:22 PM
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34. No, community service is PUNISHMENT in lieu of jail time
Get it straight.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:25 PM
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40. you are not a progressive.
Telling me to get "it" straight? I am rolling on the ground queen.

You don't have the faintest idea or concept of "justice", or the purpose of the judiciary. Glad to see DU has wide enough parameters to include democrats from the old south though.

Would you like a mint julep with that opinion?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:29 PM
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43. I am a damned sight more progressive than the likes of you
You present yourself as more of an anarchist than a progressive.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:34 PM
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45. bwa ha ha ha ha
progressives don't promote civil slavery. Progressives don't promote punishment over rehabilitation. You should go get yourself a dictionary - it might lead to more intelligent (and intelligible) conversation.

Do you even KNOW what an anarchist is? I'm not an anarchist, which certainly informs me about the depth of your knowledge when attempting to pretend outrage.

I don't believe you for one picosecond. Look around toots, there are real progressive everywhere on DU. Do their opinions sound like yours? You can't just say you are something without evidence that your worldview aligns with that moniker, and your postings are anything but progressive.

Read up a little, and then don't get back to me.

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:24 PM
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80. Sorry, but you describe anarchy, not progressivism
But don't let the facts get in your way.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:08 AM
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102. what a joke
Edited on Thu May-06-10 08:19 AM by sui generis
Go take some poli sci classes and do some real scholastic research, then don't get back to me.

edited to remove rant about stupid people.

edited again to add, please please give me what you think the official definition of an anarchist is, anyway. but before you do let me offer some advice. There is no definition except in the very broadest terms, and those terms are not exclusive to any one political ideology, meaning you could be describing anarchy, progressivism or libertarianism. Do you believe there are generally accepted negative connotations related to broad political concepts?

I'm pretty sure you're not qualified to answer, and wiki can't do it on your behalf, but go ahead, give it a shot. I recommend gracefully finding something more pressing to do than engage on this one though.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:41 PM
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50. It's your opinion it is slavery
I'm asking you, are you for more jail time? Or are you for more slaps on the wrist instead?
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:43 PM
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52. are you for apples or are you for kiwis?
Please. my opinion is clear.

My view is that extreme discretionary punishment for IRRELEVANT missteps in a court room is inappropriate and does not merit jail time for sure.

Mandatory public service has no checks and balances when the amount of service is discretionary, so I am extremely opposed to judges working with the city to make up for their budget shortfalls by handing them people to work for free. That is slavery. Now, if a ticket said, 200 dollars for running a stoplight or 3 days of public service, I'd be okay with that, because it would be voluntary.

When a judge just pulls a number out of her uptight ass and keeps adding to it for non-compliance - that's not progressive.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:50 PM
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58. I'm not talking just for this case
If someone gets arrested for a semi-serious offense, like drunk driving, you're against community service in addition to the jail time served?

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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:15 PM
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62. if it's mandatory community service, then yes.
If they're given a choice or alternative that doesn't smack of coercion then I can buy into it, barely.

Our cities should be hiring and paying people to work for them, not creating a free labor force by leveraging the bench.

If there was a non-discretionary way to do it, as in a fine alternative with a fixed number of days the way we have a fixed number of dollars associated with tickets, I'd be more comfortable.

I distrust discretionary authority in the extreme - power doesn't corrupt, it just attracts the corruptible. Regulate power and you regulate personal bias in judicial decision.

I'm also against "shaming" (the scarlet letter sandwich board punishments) and any other weird judicial "punishment" - it's barbaric and tribal, not the hallmark of an enlightened society.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:13 PM
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25. Fuck, I think 30 days in jail is too little for her stunt
She deserved at least 60 days to cool her heels, then 16 hours per week of public service.

At the very least.

She committed her crime the moment the judge entered the court room. She did the crime and now she complains about doing the time.

To hell with the little whiner. She got off lucky.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:19 PM
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:21 PM
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31. The disruptor was the idiot who showed contempt of court
She got what she deserved. Whining about it won't alter it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:22 PM
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:25 PM
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39. My number is 42. n/t
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:21 PM
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32. No need for a lawyer or trial, huh?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:23 PM
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38. Not with contempt
Edited on Wed May-05-10 01:23 PM by WeDidIt
There is always an option of appeal with contempt, but no need for a lawyer or trial as the crime is committed in open court.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:17 AM
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105. the only 'crime' is being a Kohlberg level 1 human
you used the phrase "the likes of you" responding to me in an earlier post. I'd like you to elaborate on that, in great detail, please, and unlike you I promise I won't press the alert button like I'm having a stroke, or at all in fact.

I think you believe yourself to be a progressive but your opinions show moral development no higher than Kohlberg's 1st level of authoritative punishment. That's not progressive by any stretch, and on any amount of pscychotropic reality altering medication.

Prove to me that anything in any of your statements in this thread disagrees with that conclusion.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:27 PM
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42. Deleted message
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. Now making ad hominems against me.
How very "progressive" of you.

:eyes:
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:40 PM
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46. and I apologize for that
if you are indeed a progressive. No harm no foul in that universe.

At any rate, hurt feelings aside, the views that extreme discretionary punishment for IRRELEVANT missteps in a court room are appropriate are not what I know progressive opinion to be.

Mandatory public service has no checks and balances when the amount of service is discretionary, so I am extremely opposed to judges working with the city to make up for their budget shortfalls by handing them people to work for free. That is slavery. Now, if a ticket said, 200 dollars for running a stoplight or 3 days of public service, I'd be okay with that, because it would be voluntary.

When a judge just pulls a number out of her uptight ass and keeps adding to it for non-compliance - that's not progressive.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:40 PM
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48. bullshit.
anyway you've seen my opinion multiple times.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:44 PM
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53. Oh, come on.
The judge should have ordered her out of the courtroom. If she mouthed off, then the contempt charges should pile up.

I'm not for crowding cells for 60 days for being an idiot with a t-shirt.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:34 PM
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89. Was it cirminal or civil contempt, and did woman understand it was a breech of decorum?
What if it was a cross dresser with no hope of every passing? What is the line between a warning and imprisonment? Are the standards clear, publicized and well known. Its not the judges ever have fits of pique...

My own story was along those lines. I was called to be a witness in a court proceeding. As usual I rode my MC to court and was wearing a one piece riding suit (Aerostitch not form fitting leathers). When I was called to the stand I walked up wearing the suit. The judge stopped me and asked if I thought I was appropriately attired for her court. I pointed out that it was what I was wearing when I witnessed the event I was going to give testimony on, that it would lend credibility to my testimony, and that she would like what I had on under it even less. I also pointed out that I had not been given any direction to do wear anything in particular and it fully complied with published guidance. She was not pleased but allowed me to be sworn.

Later both she and the prosecutor wished I had never been subpoenaed and the defendant was found not guilty in a matter of a few hours.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:55 AM
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100. Free speech is a crime?
I take it you will not be bitching when the mods finally get around to delivering your tombstone.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:10 AM
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104. thank you
I'll contribute the pepperoni AND extra cheese, no charge.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:56 PM
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96. Clear case of abuse of discretion
Edited on Wed May-05-10 08:56 PM by depakid
With a little facism thrown right in from the cowardly "law and order" types.|
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:20 PM
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5. Rozenburg, you flaming (female body part)!!!
Seriously, that is a "judge", and yes I use quotes liberally, who should not be on the bench.

If she was in Dallas, I would actively campaign against her as inappropriate for the bench. You can eject someone from venue if you think they're inappropriate without taking up the city's resources.

Somebody send that stupid woman the bill please.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:24 PM
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7. The time to address the t-shirt problem was when letting her into the gallery.
And before the Judge entered the courtroom and began the session.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:40 PM
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47. 'xactly, that is what a good baliff would do
I got sent home from jury duty once for wearing sandals and by god, he was correct to do so. Bonehead mistake on my part.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:25 PM
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8. 19 years old, and clueless.
The judge could have just kicked the idiot out of the courthouse.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:29 PM
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11. The crime was committed the instant the court was called to order
At that time, it was too late to simply ask her to leave. Failure to prosecute the crime invites future disregard for court room decorum and procedure.

Shit, DUers loved it when an attorney got slapped with $20,000 in fines for disregarding court room decorum and procedure. Shat this stupid 19 year old got was far less severe, but then she isn't an attorney.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:13 PM
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24. So maybe the judge did what she had to do. Thanks for the explanation.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:20 PM
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30. no "had to" about it. It's 100% discretionary.
Or in her case, excretionary.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:35 PM
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90. That would have been the better course
Some judges are just way too full of themselves.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:26 PM
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9. The judge should have given her the option to leave
She wasn't being contemptuous of the court by any means.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:37 PM
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13. I was in a courtroom about a year ago
waiting for my group of potential jurors to be called up for voir dire, and one of the potential jurors that went up to the jury box was wearing a skinhead T-shirt, with a message that I can't remember. But I was pretty shocked. I'm not sure whether the judge noticed the wording or not (it was on the back), or just thought it was some sort of heavy-metal T-shirt. But nothing was said. Apparently, one of the lawyers did, because he was not chosen for the jury (thank heavens!). It was a First-Degree Murder case.

That T-shirt was a lot worse than the one this young lady was wearing, and she was just in the audience, not the jury box!
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:14 PM
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26. Several years ago I accompanied my nephew to court when he got a DWI
most the people there that day were in court for the same reason and, after sitting through a few cases I thought my nephew got off a little easier than the others first offenders (though there isn't that much wiggle room).

I concluded this was because several people ahead of us tried arguing with the judge one to the point of being threatened with contempt and nephew had the sense to plead guilty (he was) and respond "yes sir, no sir" where appropriate.

But the best one was the guy right whose case was called right ahead of him. He was also a tad beligerant and was wearing a T-shirt that said "I'm so wasted!" (really, at his DWI hearing. And someone in the gallery was wearing a Bud Light tshirt). Nephew had had the sense to wear a dress shirt & pants and take responsiblity.

And the good news is, he seems to have learned his lesson.



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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:56 PM
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65. That's good
I mean it's good your nephew had the sense to dress and behave appropriately in a courtroom, and especially good that he's learned his lesson.

But what do these people who wear "I'm so wasted" shirts to court for a DWI think they are doing? I kind of boggles the mind.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 04:28 PM
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72. It does boggle the mind, doesn't it?
Definitely someone who could be a contender for a Darwin Award someday.

I understand if someone can't afford to go out and buy dressy clothes for a court date but you at least show up in clean clothes (and looking like you might have bathed recently). The guy must have had at least one plain T-shirt somewhere in his closet.

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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:59 PM
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18. One Woman's Vulgarity Is Another Mans Lyric
Cohen vs. California

I know, I know, stare decisis no longer exists in this country.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:02 PM
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19. If you want to live in America then speak English. Damned attorneys and Latin
:rofl:
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:03 PM
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20. Unfortunately, it appears that Traffic Court judges don't need to read up on that sort of thing.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:22 PM
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33. Dumb to wear that to court. But then, the entire notion of 'contempt of court' is ludicrous. nt
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 04:28 PM
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73. So, should you be able to shout out "liar" during someone's testimony if you...
think they are making things up?

After all the First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech.

:shrug:

The ability to cite someone for contempt is necessary. Without it, anyone could disrupt a trial or refuse to testify.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:09 PM
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97. Did I say that? No.
Purposefully attempting to disrupt a trial is a separate issue from deciding to wear something someone else might not appreciate.

If the ability to cite someone for contempt is necessary, then 'contempt' should have a clear cut definition. As far as my understanding goes, and I am quite ignorant regarding the proceedings of a court-room, it is subjective. In this specific case, I don't see how a t-shirt with some silly quote is disruptive of anything; the only disruption occurred when the judge chose to make an issue out of it because he and his ego felt 'disrespected'.

Basically, I suppose my opinion is that disruption = bad, disrespect = irrelevant.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 07:24 AM
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99. I know you didn't say that.
Edited on Thu May-06-10 07:37 AM by MilesColtrane
It was a rhetorical question.

The point being that you leave all kinds of rights at the courtroom door when you enter.

"I don't see how a t-shirt with some silly quote is disruptive of anything"

Keep in mind that we have only heard the aggrieved party's version of events. (and her lawyer)

What are the chances that she, in her haste to file a lawsuit, is downplaying her response to the judge's question?

Is it a stretch to think that a person who wears a shirt with a commonly accepted vulgarity (the word is banned here at DU) in public would be a belligerent asshat in an exchange with a judge?



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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 03:57 PM
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107. Not much of a stretch, no. But the shirt isn't exactly rare.
If the judge truly wanted to avoid 'disruption' I feel it would've been easier to ignore the damn thing.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:22 PM
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35. Sorry, not on her side here. What the hell is someone thinking to wear something like that into
a courtroom? Do people not possess a shred of decorum anywhere anymore? If my kid wore something like that into court I'd slap the shit out of him.
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 03:05 PM
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67. I agree with you...
But maybe a fine would have been sufficient.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 04:25 PM
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71. Not saying an overnighter in jail was the way to go, but I'm not saying it wasn't, either. But
Edited on Wed May-05-10 04:26 PM by salguine
something like that has to be dealt with. This infraction really defines "contempt."
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 04:30 PM
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74. delete
Edited on Wed May-05-10 04:31 PM by MilesColtrane
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:27 PM
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84. I don't agree with her either, but I wouldn't assault my kids for something like that.
You do know that kids can be disciplined without being hit, I hope.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:41 PM
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49. Not sure who is more pathetic
the idiot girl who wore that shirt into a courtroom or the moronic judge who threw her in jail for it.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:39 PM
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92. The idiot girl is. The judge did the right thing.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:42 PM
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51. dont know what the "body part" word was, but depending, wearing that across her chest was fine
yet humiliated when officers were laughing at her.

hm.....
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #51
75. I believe it's the P word.
I've seen that on a shirt before...woman sitting at a booth in a diner.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 04:46 PM
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77. well, then... i expect her intent is to offend. and that she did.
i tell my kids to think things thru, especially repercussions, especially if the intent is to offend.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:44 PM
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54. There seems to be a lot of people here
that think that she got what she deserved. She had been at the gym, her friend asked for a ride, she was trying to be a good friend. She did not flaunt the shirt and the judge called her up.

You seem to think it is okay for a judge to decide to send you to jail because they do not like you.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:49 PM
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55. Stunning, isn't it?
We've become a happy little Nation of judgmental, hateful, anti-free speech or damn near anything else Authoritarians. The power elite couldn't be happier.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:00 PM
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59. They scream the loudest when it happens to them
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:00 PM
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60. dupe
Edited on Wed May-05-10 02:18 PM by Angry Dragon
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:18 PM
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63. I don't think they represent
Although I did get my ass deleted a bunch upthread for being inveterately anti-authoritarian . . .:evilgrin:, and I'll do it again.

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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:45 PM
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85. this place has become the authoritarian underground..
thankfully i have many of those assholes on ignore.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:30 PM
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88. They have become legion. nt
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:30 PM
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87. A sign of the times.
Like cheering on the tasering of a 17 year old boy for running onto a baseball field.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:49 PM
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56. Like someone said up post
They should have stopped her at the door. Didn't the cops notice it? Granted not something I would wear either, but she is 19 after all. Are there signs of dress code for court? It's suppose to be a given that everyone should know. 50 years ago I would think you had to wear a suit and tie to be present in a court room. Today most look like they are waiting to get into an amusement park. LOL! So I say they over reacted, and the judge should have made her an example in the court room and threw her ass out. Judge Judy style. LOL!
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 04:38 PM
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76. We're only hearing her, and her lawyer's side of the story.
It is unusual for a judge to cite someone with contempt without giving them a warning first.

I tend to think that she said something more than the shirt would only be inappropriate if she were the defendant.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:22 PM
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64. Keyword = COURTHOUSE
My friend was not allowed on jury duty once because she wore flip-flop sandals..:rofl:

(she had to re-schedule her jury duty)

no sympathy here.. this woman was not jailed for her shirt..she was jailed because she deliberately defied the court.. there ARE still rules in what's allowed in courtrooms..

I doubt that was her only shirt.:)

If she wanted to "make a statement"..she did.. she just did not like the response..(except for the part where she got the desired attention and news coverage she wanted in the beginning :rofl:..)
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 03:45 PM
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70. figures - kalifornia has spoken
You can't help it, you've been conditioned by exposure.

She should not have been jailed - it was the baillif's s bailywick to manage the gallery. She should have as likely had the baillif arrested for failure to pay attention. If he missed a t-shirt, what else might he have missed that could have disrupted the court?

Vuh, and by vuh, I mean vuhhhhhhlvuh.

Demanding respect by punishing one into compliance does nothing to achieve that end. Do you think that girl now respects the court? Hell no, in fact she no longer has faith that the courts are anything but a ridiculous bunch of gasbags if they start JAILING people for wearing a t-shirt instead of paying attention to matters of greater import.

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NM_hemilover Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 04:52 PM
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78. agree with you completely


Rules DO matter, respect for the law DOES matter.

Way back as kids, I remember the loud mouth smart ass kids usually got thier clock cleaned, and then cried "whad I do". Young smart ass kids grow up to be adult smart ass people, who still don't understand why rules apply to everybody.



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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:15 PM
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82. At the very least, she was a nitwit to wear that shirt to court.
Should she have been jailed? Probably not. It seems like a waste of resources to jail someone for being an idiot, but a fine would have been in order. I'm sure she's enjoying all the attention she's getting, though.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:37 PM
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91. gee she wanted to draw attention to herself
and she did.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:47 PM
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93. "All the officers thought it was hilarious -- it was humiliating,"
Maybe not the attention she wanted, but what did she expect?
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:49 PM
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94. I can think of better uses for the time and resources of a court.
The bizarre fascination our culture has with naughty words is just too much. We can march into a foreign country, kill a million of their innocent people and wear a t-shirt extolling that fact. But wear one with a female body part on it and look what happens.

What a bunch of stinky monkeys.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:12 PM
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98. "What are you in for?" "..Wearing a t-shirt"
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 08:00 AM
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101. Free Speech Free Zones
Edited on Thu May-06-10 08:00 AM by CBGLuthier
Sure it was rude. She should have been asked to leave or change it. Jailing her is an abuse of power. Fuck the judge, how's that for some contempt.
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Daninmo Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:36 AM
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106. Reminds me
of the scene in the movie "My cousin Vinnie" where he wears that ridiculous suit, because the judge hates his leather.
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