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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 11:33 PM
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April 30, 1975
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_war

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Chaos, unrest, and panic broke out as hysterical South Vietnamese officials and civilians scrambled to leave Saigon. Martial law was declared. American helicopters began evacuating South Vietnamese, U.S., and foreign nationals from various parts of the city and from the U.S. embassy compound. Operation Frequent Wind had been delayed until the last possible moment, because of U.S. Ambassador Graham Martin's belief that Saigon could be held and that a political settlement could be reached.

Schlesinger announced early in the morning of 29 April 1975 the evacuation from Saigon by helicopter of the last U.S. diplomatic, military, and civilian personnel. Frequent Wind was arguably the largest helicopter evacuation in history. It began on 29 April, in an atmosphere of desperation, as hysterical crowds of Vietnamese vied for limited seats. Martin pleaded with Washington to dispatch $700 million in emergency aid to bolster the regime and help it mobilize fresh military reserves. But American public opinion had soured on this conflict halfway around the world.

In the U.S., South Vietnam was perceived as doomed. President Gerald Ford had given a televised speech on 23 April, declaring an end to the Vietnam War and all U.S. aid. Frequent Wind continued around the clock, as North Vietnamese tanks breached defenses on the outskirts of Saigon. In the early morning hours of 30 April, the last U.S. Marines evacuated the embassy by helicopter, as civilians swamped the perimeter and poured into the grounds. Many of them had been employed by the Americans and were left to their fate.

On 30 April 1975, VPA troops overcame all resistance, quickly capturing key buildings and installations. A tank crashed through the gates of the Presidential Palace, and at 11:30 a.m. local time the NLF flag was raised above it. President Duong Van Minh, who had succeeded Huong two days earlier, surrendered.

The Communists had attained their goal: they had toppled the Saigon regime. But the cost of victory was high. In the past decade alone, one Vietnamese in every ten had been a casualty of war—nearly a million and a half killed, three million wounded.

By war's end, the Vietnamese had been fighting foreign involvement or occupation (primarily by the French, Chinese, Japanese, British, and American governments) for 116 years.<185>
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 11:42 PM
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1. seems like forever
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 12:14 AM by SwampG8r
i learned in high school around 1972 about ho chi minh
we were told the party line about how he was a commie prick
i asked my civics teacher what ho was jailed for before becoming a rebel
he told me to find out figuring i would lose interest
one of the things he did to anger the french was to read a document on the capital steps
it was the declaration of independence
as a cook i learned of ho chi minh (hope i spelled it right) because he apprenticed to escoffier as a pastry chef
i watched the evacuation each night with uncle walter
i think of the family i lost
the friends i lost
and the potential that was wasted and i cannot see past the cluster fuck
if there is a hell johnson and nixon are roasting now
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 12:12 AM
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3. SP: Ho Chi Minh.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 12:13 AM
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4. thanks i will fix it
i was remembering and not fact checking thanks for the spelling
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 12:19 AM
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5. Here's a poem he wrote from a French prison:
From http://motherbird.com/hochi.html

Ho Chi Minh
Poems From Prison - Translated by Kenneth Rexroth

...

GOOD DAYS COMING

Everything changes, the wheel
of the law turns without pause.

After the rain, good weather.

In the wink of an eye

The universe throws off
its muddy cloths.

For ten thousand miles
the landscape

Spreads out like
a beautiful brocade.

Gentle sunshine.
Light breezes. Smiling flowers,

Hang in the trees, amongst the
sparkling leaves,

All the birds sing at once.

Men and animals rise up reborn.

What could be more natural?

After sorrow comes happiness.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 12:05 AM
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2. and the ones who deferred are the ones forcing others to fight now
McCain is so sick he is still trying to justify his torture then by believing we need to fight now
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 12:41 AM
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6. Kicking to annoy the unrec'er.
To counter whatever the fuck is wrong with their brain.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 12:49 AM
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7. Ah yes. The jackass brigade.
Too bad the number of rec's and unrec's is not a part of everyone's profile. Some here seem to see that option as an opportunity for them to engage their flying-monkey-throwing-feces inner selves without exposing themselves.
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The Damned Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 10:23 PM
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11. Got your back
K&R!
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:15 PM
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8. kick (nt)
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MODem75 Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:30 PM
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9. Johnson, Nixon and McNamura should have been tried for war crimes.
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 10:19 PM
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10. Our final crime was leaving so many supporters behind
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