Company, lawmaker: Don't boycott New York tea ( AriZona tea)

[cal04]

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9FC8V2G0.htm

A New York-based beverage company finds itself in the middle of the controversy over a new immigration law, simply because it shares its name with the state where the law was enacted.

An initiative apparently started on the Internet asks people to boycott the AriZona Beverage Co. because of claims the new immigration law in that state will unfairly target Hispanics.

But Don Vultaggio, chairman of the Woodbury-based beverage maker, says it has always been a New York company. He says it was started by "two hardworking guys from Brooklyn" in 1992.

Vultaggio says the company has been headquartered on Long Island for 16 years and he has no plans to relocate.


Opponents of immigration law call for boycott of Arizona Iced Tea - but it is brewed in New York!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/04/28/2010-04-28_ariz_law_leads_to_misfired_ire.html

[ShortnFiery]

1. Paranoia strikes deep.

Don't you think some here have jumped the shark?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. LOL, you're one to talk.

[ShortnFiery]

4. Hey, I'm primarily protesting two illegitimate occupations where people are slaughtered.

This hardly compares. :shrug:

However, if SOME HERE would show "half the anger" at the continuation of these immoral occupations, we just may have a chance in hell of bringing the troops home?

But no, you're peeing your pants over THIS.

IMO, your priorities are way messed up.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. You're upset over the boycott of racist legislation.

Which really puts your posts over Obama into perspective.

[ShortnFiery]

15. No, it's SOP in almost every other country. I have lived all over the world and

have experienced it first hand ... I have no problem with showing my IDs.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. Are you familiar with the phrase...

phony as a three dollar bill?

[ShortnFiery]

17. Am I to consider that a self description?

:evilgrin:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

14. One little law codifying racial profiling and everyone goes bananas! The nerve!

:eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

18. Anyone who looks "less than lily white" knows that cops racial profile all the time anyway.

:shrug: It's a fact - people are not blind and it's human nature to stereotype.

Yes, we should guard against buying into those stereotypes, but to deny their existence is living in willful ignorance.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

19. Yes, and it used to be against the law. Now it's codified INTO the law.

I'm guessing you're not Latino. I am. Maybe that's the difference.

But thank you for that wonderful justification of this shit law: "People do it all the time already! It's human nature!" I'll remember that.

[ShortnFiery]

22. You haven't lived or traveled extensively overseas or you wouldn't over react like this.

:(

p.s. Stereotyping is HUMAN NATURE. Watch young children play - grouping like things is a natural way to make sense of our world.

That doesn't mean that NOTING DIFFERENCES in skin tone should make us ACT NEGATIVELY or believe less than flattering generalizations about "others."

Reality is where I reside.

Latino? I'm American with southern German Ancestry.

But first and foremost I AM AMERICAN. :shrug:

And no, I don't mind showing my IDs and paperwork to prove that.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

23. LOL...when you find yourself to the right of Tom Tancredo, perhaps you need to step back for a bit.

It doesn't matter what other countries do because the United States has its own laws and ideals to live up to. Other countries have no separation of church and state. I suppose the next time that gets further eroded, you'll just say "Hey, other countries do it! Why not?"

[ShortnFiery]

25. If you step foot overseas, better have your IDs and paperwork handy. Yes, us Americans are spoiled.

Not unlike the fact that we fail to learn at least one other language while those in Europe know at least two or three.

This has nothing to do with the teabaggers - I empathize with Arizona trying to make ends meet.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

27. This is an American law, not a foreign country's.

They've already arrested one Latino-American (born and raised here) because of his ethnicity. He didn't have his papers (why would he?), so he went to jail.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

29. I've been overseas often as I am married to a Briton.

D'oh! That bullshit didn't stick either.

[ShortnFiery]

32. The UK 's real foreign? No, we disagree. eom

[Starbucks Anarchist]

34. Yes, England is a foreign country.

Shocking, I know.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

36. I'm sorry, when you said "overseas", I thought you meant a country that was "over the sea".

[ShortnFiery]

40. No need to continue to snipe each other. Let's say "we disagree and leave it at that."

[Romulox]

84. Wait a minute. I was frisked by a guy with a submachine gun in Heathrow airport

That was AFTER I showed him my papers. Nobody called a news truck.

Let's get some perspective here.

[awoke_in_2003]

76. as an American...

if I were to go to Europe, I would expect to have to show my papers- I am a visitor. But what if you are like my wife, a 3rd generation Mexican American? Why should she have to prove she belongs here (innocent until proven guilty- it is a real stickler). For that fact- I am lilly white- why should I have to prove I am not some illegal Dutch immigrant?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

26. Some other countires put women in burqas.

I wonder if she'd be okay with that?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

30. Clearly, if the United States made a law that said all women had to wear burqas and you disagreed

with it, it would just be because you were a dumb hick American that had never been overseas.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

24. Do you know what "codified into law" means?

And how do you square your allegedly liberal beliefs with this law that threatens (for now) Latinos, legal or not?

Then again, they're not looking for undocumented Germans, so I guess you don't care after all.

[ShortnFiery]

28. This is bullshit! If more of you had traveled expensively overseas you wouldn't be having

a hissy fit.

Go your own way but be advised how you nurture your own personal hate may reflect less positively on you than you think.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

31. I see you also don't understand analogies very well.

You, an AMERICAN, had to show ID in a FOREIGN country. But you're comparing it to the Arizona situation, where AMERICANS in AMERICA are being asked for their papers.

I can't explain it any more simply than that.

[ShortnFiery]

35. Nurture you hatred. That's the way to look real good. eom

[Starbucks Anarchist]

37. All I hate is your incredible ignorance and logical fallacies.

Compared to you, I look great.

[ShortnFiery]

41. Oh, I'm sorry for my ignorance:

I only hold a masters in clinical psychology. :crazy:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

44. And George W. Bush graduated from Yale.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

46. Ron Paul is an MD. I guess he was on to something with those comments about fleet footed black

teens.

[fascisthunter]

61. nevermind

[SemiCharmedQuark]

33. I think the next time you complain about how Israel stereotypes Palestinians, many people will have

your own words to throw back at you.

"Stereotyping is human nature!"

[ShortnFiery]

38. And you know, Stereotyping doesn't mean that you act on generalizations.

Take an introductory Psychology Course for details.

But thanks for the personal attack.

That's so mature of you. :eyes:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

39. No, to you it just means you make a law that mandates it.

And using your own words isn't a personal attack.

Your words: "it's human nature to stereotype."

[ShortnFiery]

42. Read an Introductory Psychology text? Gee, talk about blinders? Let it go.

Enough of your hatred. You are NOT helping your cause. In fact you're tacking up a whole shit load of resentments from people who are basically (by social justice causes) on your side.

You brought up an extraneous topic (Israel/Palestine) - IMO, that was uncool.

Watch out what you wish for? :shrug:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

43. WTF does psychology have to do with this?

I took psychology as a humanities class. I'm genuinely curious now.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

45. I think she was the test subject.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

47. I have no problem with psychology, but I found intro psych to be a big waste of time

Most of the people in that class were taking it for their required science course. I was a BS, so I took it for humanities. I certainly don't remember immigration law being a part of it.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

It was in the "It's just in your head" segment in that poster's book.

[ShortnFiery]

51. There's no need to tag team. That's not classy.

;)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

59. Aww, are you inconvenienced?

Imagine how American-born Latinos feel in Arizona. :eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

63. No, I just don't care much for bully tactics. It's not even cute.

:shrug:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

65. Yet you're perfectly okay with the severe bully tactics of this new law.

[ShortnFiery]

67. No, I'm not. You didn't pay attention. eom

[SemiCharmedQuark]

68. And so we have a Poochie ending

I have to go now. My planet needs me.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

70. "Poochie died on the way back to his home planet."

:rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

54. I hold a BS and MA in Psychology. Thanks for asking. :-) eom

[ShortnFiery]

52. How rude. What's your problem? Manners? eom

[Starbucks Anarchist]

56. I have this crazy problem upholding civil liberties.

Maybe you should try it sometime.

[ShortnFiery]

66. No you don't. You have this attitude that you are invincible and cute by scoring cheap points

here on this forum. Truth is that you're neither. That's what's truly sad - we are wasting bandwidth with these petty disagreements.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

69. "Cheap points" like pointing out your clear inconsistencies and disregard for freedom?

So far, you've claimed the UK isn't overseas (!) while condoning Arizona's racist law by using a horribly inept analogy that doesn't even apply in this case.

Then you tossed in a bunch of non-sequiturs positively tying stereotyping in with legalized racism.

[ShortnFiery]

50. You take my statement of fact and twist it around.

You go forth with your buddies and slather that message of hate against Arizona.

Just watch out for the blow back.

No, we disagree. People do stereotype.

I guess you are "above any stereotyping"? Think again.

You jumped into the Israel/Palestine topic to slam me? THAT action was a form of stereotyping.

You think I don't care about minorities because we disagee on one facet of enforcment.

Way to inappropriately stereotype. ;)

[SemiCharmedQuark]

53. No, I brought up Israel/Palestine because you have moved and/or deleted messages about AIPAC all the

time. That isn't stereotyping, that's remembering what you post.

Of course everybody stereotypes, myself included. But I think we should try and correct that behavior, not make it law.

[ShortnFiery]

55. I have not deleted/moved - you have me confused with someone else.

Let's take this PM if you have an issue? Discussing a tangental topic is inappropriate. IMO.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

58. Well, let's get back to the topic at hand. What does psychology have to do with this?

[ShortnFiery]

62. Yes, because attacking on something perceived and off topic is inappropriate.

I'm glad you concur.

Psychology has everything to do with this and also why I'm going "agree to disagree."

Yes, I know I'm outnumbered here and don't have the desire or energy to future engage you.

Have a good evening.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

64. So psychology has everything to do with it which is why you don't want to talk about it?

Ok.

[awoke_in_2003]

72. "I don't mind showing my IDs and paperwork to prove that"

Then go right ahead and do it. This is America, not Nazi Germany- we really need to start acting like America again. We are supposed to be a melting pot.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

20. So let's support a law that heavily encourages it.

:eyes:

[awoke_in_2003]

71. Do they?...

my wife is a third generation Mexican American. And yes, she definitely looks latina. She has never been hassled by the cops in her life. What happens when this bill comes to Texas? This bill, should it come here, will give cops a free license to stop her just because of the color of her skin. When she calls me, I will have to leave work (not the easiest thing to do in my situation), go home, and dig out her birth certificate. Why? Because she isn't lily white like me. Meanwhile, she will be locked up because her skin is a little bit more brown than mine. It is a bunch of xenophobic shit. Cops do this to African Americans all the time (Driving While Black)- now they can expand it to latinos (Driving While Brown). We shouldn't be expanding this bad policy, we should be working at reducing it.

[fascisthunter]

57. ooops

wrong place

[EFerrari]

78. It is jumping the shark to boycott anything with Arizona in its name

but the internets are socialistic, you know.

[and-justice-for-all]

3. I was wondering if it was actually made in Arizona...nt

[SargeUNN]

5. Exactly why I have been calling for sensibility and

knowing what you are doing is effective and productive. Last thing we need in Arizona or this Nation is a bunch of reactionary things that only further the problem.

[azmouse]

6. Every state should boycott every other state.

After all, every state has RWers, hate groups, etc. That'll teach 'em.

[SargeUNN]

8. I have been wondering if

everyone is going to boycott Missouri, Ohio, Virginia who all are considering laws similar to the AZ law, and while we are at it, shouldn't we boycott Minnesota who won't get rid of Bachmann a woman who is spreading more hate and yet sits in the U.S. House of Representatives.

[azmouse]

13. Obviously not.

Ya see, it's only AZ that is deserving of all this hate. They have their hateful grip on AZ's neck and they don't want to let go.

In the entire history of the United States never has a state committed such an egregious offense (even tho the law hasn't taken effect yet).
AZ and its people need to be ground into a pulp, humiliated beyond belief for this.


:sarcasm: <---- 'cause some might think I'm serious

[EFerrari]

77. JIm Crow was protested in every state that had Jim Crow laws.

[EFerrari]

75. You forgot TX but your solidarity is noted!

[EFerrari]

74. Apparrently Arizona is a target rich environment.

I've been trying to find your thread about the referendum that you put up while I was working. What forum is it in?

[gmoney]

7. They should get the HFCS out of their products though...

[librechik]

9. That stuff's made in New York City????

well dagnabbit. Set em up for everybody in the bar, then! Wahoo!

[EFerrari]

79. I thought you were going to say, "Get a rope!"

lol

[Romulox]

86. Damn, I guess "get a rope" was a part of the Pace commercials, too...

Fuzzy memory. :)

[Romulox]

85. Anybody remember the ad for Pace salsa with the old-timey prospectors?

One guy holds up a competitor's jar and says "this one's made in NEW YORK CITY!"

The assembled group of old timey prospectors all chime in with high-pitched outrage: "NEW YORK CITY????" :rofl:

[ejpoeta]

10. imagine f they changed their name ti long island iced tea!!

:P :toast:

i did not know they were ny based .

[-..__...]

11. "Don Vultaggio"

Isn't he the head of one of the NY crime family's?

The iced tea business must be part of his money laundering operation.

Pissing him off wouldn't be a good idea.

[BlooInBloo]

21. My gripe isn't with the word "Arizona", but rather the state itself....

If they wish to avoid obvious confusion, they may wish to take stronger steps to distance themselves, however.

[SargeUNN]

48. again I call for sensibility on actions

this is exactly the kind of thing I have been trying to point out. Make sure your actions are directed at the enemy not allies. To generalize every thing with the word Arizona or everyone in Arizona or every business in Arizona is exactly doing what this hideous bill is doing. We need to target the ones who support this bill not only in Arizona, but Missouri, Ohio and Virginia who are considering bills just like the hideous law in Arizona. I know I have been accused of saying don't boycott anything, and that is totally those who aren't listening and generalizing because I live in Arizona, but truthfully I am saying what action you take make sure it directed properly at the very targets that it should be and hurt those who support such stuff. Now if that doesn't make sense I don't know what does. Reason, effective targets, support those who are trying to overturn this seems more productive than broadbrush targets.

[Bluenorthwest]

49. High Fructose Flavored gack is what they sell

Who cares where they make it, it sucks, it used to be good, now it sucks. A terrible product.

[SidDithers]

60. Perhaps they should have named the beverage "Woodbury Tea" instead...nt

Sid

[EFerrari]

73. They should just rebrand it "Venceremos".

lol

[krkaufman]

80. Come on, can no one laugh at the supreme irony of this story !?!?!

A boycott to protest a new law that may unfairly target innocent citizens... has resulted in the targeting of an innocent beverage!!

AriZona Tea Boycott: New York-Based Beverage Company Caught Up In Backlash Over Immigration Law

An initiative apparently started on the Internet asks people to boycott the AriZona Beverage Co. because of claims the law will unfairly target Hispanics.

:toast:

[NYC Liberal]

81. Hm. A whole lot of "Ignored" on this thread.

Interesting.

[krkaufman]

82. There were two posters sniping back and forth, apparently...

... then another jumping in to tag team. Very hostile.

[Romulox]

83. I will never touch another drop of that damn ice tea again! Thanks for spreading the word!

:rofl: