Arizona law - nobody is stating the obvious

[AnnieBW]

For all of the people who are freaking out about communism and socialism - having government-issued papers and allowing the police to challenge people for their papers at any time is EXACTLY WHAT WENT ON IN THE SOVIET UNION. If that's not "socialism", I don't know what is.

[Ian David]

1. You know who ELSE had a closed border with a big wall?

[bridgit]

30. Yeah, but I thought you were going to say Israel

[aquart]

2. No, that is NOT "socialism."

Sometimes people on DU just scare the crap out of me.

[grasswire]

3. people often say "socialism" when they mean "totalitarianism"

High school history teachers need to hammer that distinction.

[SocialistLez]

11. Then you'd have right-wingers getting their panties in a wad

Teaching kids the REAL truth about socialism?

We can't no doggone lernin' in the skools. That's for communests!

[csziggy]

16. Back during the Cold War we had to take "Americanism vs. Communism"

As part of our eighth grade Civics class. It gave us a superficial overview of the American version of democracy and the Soviet version of communism and how our system was supposed to be superior. An intensive six weeks of attempted brainwashing.

What now strikes me as the ultimate irony is that my Civics teacher emphasized that one of the wonderful things about the American system was that no one had to show ID to just walk down the street. This was in the mid-1960s when a black person was lucky if he were asked for ID before the segregationists beat the crap out of him.

And we all know how walking while black, Latino, whatever works in many neighborhoods.

[aquart]

24. High school history teachers need to LEARN that distinction.

[Cornus]

9. Was thinking the same thing! nt

[Kalun D]

4. the obvious ROOT CAUSE

that this countries trade and economic policies promote illegal immigrants

because that's what they need to equalize the economic conditions to lead to the

N. orth
A. merican
U. nion

which leads to a one world government

which has been the centuries long goal of the Rothchilds, the true owners of this planet.

[KonaKane]

15. Your tinfoil hat is a little tight, isnt it?

By the way, the North American Union is horseshit. From snopes....

North American Union - Nonsense
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp

[Kalun D]

18. Denial

is not a river in Egypt

all your snopes article says is that at the last meeting of the leaders they signed no NAU treaty

it doesn't say that Rothschild is not persuing a one world government

I suggest you read a couple of articles which you might find enlightening

unless your just not interested in who really controls the world

I'm mean isn't it pretty obvious that all the politicians are puppets?

ignorance is not bliss, it's just ignorance

Police State Road Map

The History of the House of Rothschild

[Kalun D]

22. (Video) NWO

Straight from an Ashkenazi Jew's mouth

[classysassy]

19. Shhh

Aipac is listening.

[Kalun D]

25. CIA

more likely, they are the largest police arm of the global elite

you will find them all over the 911 sites including the DU dungeon

the internet is a loose end for the Builderbergs Rothschilds, they've got all the other media tied up tight.

[BunkerHill24]

5. I concur. If we allow this legislation to stand, we've lost our way toward liberty

...and we lost our freedoms as well. We are no different than what we hated with the USSR, and we are on par with the ruling communists of China and North Korea. Show Me Your Papers!

[sfwriter]

6. Not Socialist... TOTALITARIAN.

Big difference... Big damn difference.

[leeloo]

7. Socialism worked out in France and Great Britain,no walls...n/t

[Greyhound]

8. Just wow...

:thumbsdown:

You don't know what is.

[KingFlorez]

10. That's totalitarianism, rather than socialism

I get your point though. The types that passed the bill are the same ones who complain about too much government. This really is too much government.

[State the Obvious]

12. I"ll say it. The "freakers" are clueless as to what they are saying. nt

[Odin2005]

13. The Freepers think Hispanic citizens aren't "REAL AMERICANS" and thus don't count.

To them only Whites are "REAL AMERICANS" and thus everyone else can be treated like shit.

[NoNothing]

14. No offense, but that ship has sailed

A long time ago. Any number of government agencies can demand any number of papers from you at will. Forget identification. How can you rationally get upset about requiring citizenship papers without getting upset about the IRS being able to demand papers regarding all of your financial transactions, where you work, who you gave money to, who you supported, what you bought, what your medical expenses were, and on and on... We already live in such a society. It's a little late to start objecting now.

Anyways "papers please" had nothing to do with identification, but about free movement - the fact that travel could not occur without prior authorization.

[northzax]

21. Hang on-

The IRS doesn't 'demand' any of those papers. What they demand is that you tell them how much you made, look it up on a table and find out what your share is. That's all they demand. Almost everyone can, if they so choose, file a 1040EZ electronically and be done with it. The only time any paperwork beyond where you work and how much you were paid (including interest) comes into play is if you choose to claim additional deductions, voluntarily, from that amount. Don't want the IRS asking you to document your charitable donations? Don't claim a reduction in your taxes for them. Same for medical expenses, etc. The IRS only cares if you tell them. There's no obligation to take those deductions, if you choose to, then you really should be prepared to document it, don't you think?

Personally, if I were a police officer in Arizona, I'd be stopping everyone I saw, especially those from out of state, and asking for proof of legal residency. Basically, make everyone qualify an I-9, all the time. No passport/visa/residency card/birth certificate and ID? Off to the pen until a judge can sort it out. You know how much fun the first Arizona State game will be? All those fresh faced illegal immigrant students? Like shooting fish in a barrel. Heck, I'd just be doing my job, right?

[LooseWilly]

26. Hehe... "I thought he might be an illegal Irish immigrant..."

bammo... arrest all the white people without proper documentation...

good times...

And that would change the law pretty GODDAMNED QUICK...

[northzax]

31. Tourists. College students.

Retirees. joggers. Skiiers. Flyover staters visiting the Grand Canyon. Golfers. Boaters on Lake Havasuu. Does Arizona have any sort of industry besides those?

[applegrove]

17. South Africa under apartheid too.

[Clyde39]

20. Do Arizona Republicans want to be a "pocket of the real America"?

"We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation."

-Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in Greensboro, N.C., Oct. 16, 2008

[Lex]

23. " If that's not "socialism", I don't know what is."

You don't.

[Ichingcarpenter]

27. Thank you....... you saved me from posting the same thing

[northernlights]

28. that's not socialism

it's another form of "government," but not socialism.

[AnnieBW]

29. I was wrong on two counts

1) You are correct, this is not communism, it's totalitarianism and/or fascism (there's a difference?). Either way, it's un-American.

2) Seth Meyers called it on "Weekend Update" last night.