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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 03:26 PM
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"We are going to get creamed in our district since we need the gay vote."
...Democrats in the House and Senate are basically fed up with the White House's unwillingness to keep its promise to repeal DADT this year. David called around to his contacts on the Hill and found that even more House and Senate offices have had it with the White House's inaction:

With that story, I have spent the day visiting on the phone with extremely reliable sources on Capitol Hill in both the Senate and House. With over twenty calls, I have been able to determine that the revolt is perhaps much larger than the media realizes. There is a sense of total frustration with the administration. They just don't understand why the White House won't move on this issue. Many of persons on the Hill that I spoke too are from states with large urban populations, including in the South. They feel the failure to vote this year on DADT will have a 'chilling effect' regarding voter turn out in the Fall elections. Those interviewed think that not only will many LGBT citizens stay home but also other progressives.

One high ranking staffer said, "We are going to get creamed in our district since we need the gay vote. It is just only a matter of time that what is happening to Pelosi in San Fran works it way down to our districts. We don't fucking need it. For God sakes, lets get this out of the way." An elected official in DC told me, "If the President digs in, he then guarantees that the debate will be ugly and divisive. I am really concerned about their intransigence." Another Chief of Staff confided to me that this is a 'huge mistake' since it was the President himself that set the expectations.

http://gay.americablog.com/
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 03:32 PM
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1. Pass a statute. Make Obama keep his promise. nt
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 03:33 PM
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2. Yup, and when the "cream" does happen, it'll be...we need to move to the center more!!!
Honestly, Democrtaic politicians are incapable of understanding politics.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 03:35 PM
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3. I'm not sure a lack of understanding is the problem
I think they count on the losses as an excuse to move to the 'center' where they want to go, anyway. Really. Have we seen anything to suggest our current crop of Democrats have any desire to move left?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 04:40 PM
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4. No there is No proof that Dem's don't wanna be
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 04:41 PM by truedelphi
Centrists.

We have a Wall Street controlled Presidency and Congress. With the Monsanto interests guaranteeing that soon we will not have food, just as a few years ago we saw that having housing and jobs was nigh to impossible.

If Gay Rights somehow allowed for a Major CorpoRATion to have a four per cent increase in profitability, Gay Rights would be a done deal!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 07:03 PM
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8. You said it.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:38 AM
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22. But even those big corporations are more progressive on gay rights than the WH!
Monsanto Ranks 28th on the 2010 DiversityInc Top 50 Companies for Diversity List
Monsanto has been named to The 2010 DiversityInc Top 50 Companies for Diversity list for its demonstrated use of measurable diversity best practices and results. A total of 449 companies participated this year, up 12 percent from last year. Ranked No. 28, Monsanto has demonstrated strength in the four areas measures – CEO commitment, human capital, corporate and organizational communications and supplier diversity. (March 2010)

Sheesh.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:36 PM
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24. Glad to know that a company dominating Wall St is employing
The LGBT community and doing it fairly.

But will that help us when the food is so Vomitoxin-contaminated that it is inedible.

Our household already avoids wheat, and although we may never know why both of us are so suddenly allergic to wheat, both of us know something is up.

And one of the researchers recently in the news for speaking out about the dangers of Monsanto's Glyphosate now needs to shut up? As though there were a gun pointed to his head?

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:02 AM
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17. Au contraire, Democratic pols are very shrewd when it comes to politics.
They know exactly how to string progressives/liberals along while doing absolutely nothing to earn their support, year after year after year.

That's a talent, if an ugly one.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:32 AM
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20. From now on they can apply their lip service to my butt
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:35 AM
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21. And we'll get all the blame.
Heck, we get it even when we DO vote.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 04:53 PM
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5. How'd that sitting on hands work out in Virginia?
It took the new wingnut GOV and AG about five seconds to overturn LGBT civil rights and declare Confederate History Month.

D'oh!
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:00 PM
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6. But I keep hearing that there isn't a dime's worth of difference
between Dems and Repubs, so why not let the Repubs have their at-bat since we apparently will notice NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER?

I'm sure those Virginia Dems would've shooed in Confederate Day and waved off slavery as not very significant soon enough...

:eyes:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 06:34 PM
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7. .
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 07:02 PM by Bluebear
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:51 AM
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10. blaming the base for leadership's failures
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 02:56 AM by AllentownJake
Is fucking retarded...just quoting the chief of staff. :-)

They are trying to protect districts and seats they have already lost. They have the votes without those soon to be ex-congressman and senators to pass it.

Problem with a "big tent" you have to be not a democrat or not a republican to win certain districts culturally.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:25 AM
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19. What else can this administration's votaries do, though?
Seriously, what else can they do besides say, "Well, yeah, but do you think {insert name of most evil person imaginable here} would do any better???"

What other possible defense can they offer?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:39 AM
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23. Cesar Chavez day was the excuse for high unemployment claims two weeks ago
Fucking asshole that Cesar Chavez.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:58 AM
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9. I really don't think the administration gives a tinker's damn about any election except their own
I think more Republicans in the House and Senate suits them just fine. That way, they don't have to worry about a bunch of whiny liberals who want to see more progressive policies. They can just keep serving their corporate masters and keep moving right while they collect their campaign donations. I can't see any other reason why they would slap every liberal constituency right across the face in just over a year. It looks like a concerted effort to suppress the liberal vote and I can't find one indication that this is not exactly what it is.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:55 AM
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11. Yeah...
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 02:55 AM by AllentownJake
Divided government right now will ensure a total societal breakdown. Probably going to happen.

These aren't the republicans Clinton dealt with in the 90s....
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:57 AM
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12. The only question I have is...
does the Obama administration realize that or does Rahm still think that Third Way crap works?

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:59 AM
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13. Rahm serves at the pleasure of the President
Barack Obama thinks he can negotiate with people who pray for his death before going to bed at night.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:40 AM
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14. Yes, I only mentioned Rahm because he was such a part of the
Third Way antics of the Clinton administration. If he's pushing this thinking it will work now and the President is buying it, it is, ultimately, on the President. I just wonder if they know the game has changed since the 90's?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:39 AM
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16. The President hired
Rahm, Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, Gates, Bernake, etc.

I'm way over thinking this is a Rahm Emmanuel Problem.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:32 AM
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15. I agree....it seems to me that they don't want to retain control
of Congress....and they certainly never call the rabid Right out on anything.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:07 AM
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18. They 'need' us -- they really really 'need' us!
My apologies to Sally -- but really the admin
is ridiculous on lgbtiq rights.

And many lgbtiq voters also want Medicare for all.
Disenchantment doesn't even begin to describe.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:54 PM
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25. They need us every other November~!
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