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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 05:57 PM
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ADVOCATE: White House shut down DADT repeal in February at secret meeting
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 06:02 PM by Bluebear
by Joe Sudbay

Kerry Eleveld has a blockbuster article tonight exposing what many of us have been hearing for quite awhile. Shortly after Obama told the nation in the State of the Union that he wanted to repeal DADT "this year," a meeting was held at the White House with gay "leaders" where Deputy Chief of Staff Jim Messina basically said it wasn't going to happen this year.

Yet just days after the January 27 speech, White House officials convened a meeting on February 1 with LGBT advocates in which they said the policy would not be included in the president’s recommendations for the Department of Defense authorization bill, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the meeting.

“It was a definitive shut-down from Messina,” said a source, who was present at the meeting and agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity, referring to White House deputy chief of staff. “He said it would not be going into the president’s Defense authorization budget proposal.” The news was a blow to activists since the Defense funding bill is the best legislative vehicle for including a measure to overturn the policy. “It almost seemed like the bar on the hurdle got raised two or three times higher,” said the source.

That was a huge blow. And, Messina would have been the one to deliver the blow. He's overseeing DADT strategy at the White House.

Even the Human Rights Campaign, which tried to downplay how devastating the Messina meeting really was, had to admit that right after the President promised in the State of the Union to repeal DADT this year, the White House began to back off the President's clear promise:
But the Human Rights Campaign’s David Smith, who also attended the meeting, recalls it differently.

“They were noncommittal about legislation in that meeting, but not definitively one way or the other,” said Smith, vice president of programs for HRC.
Non-committal only five days after the President was quite committal in his speech...

As we saw with health care reform, when the President dithered for a good year, the reform effort spun out of control and the entire thing was almost lost. When the President finally got engaged, finally put the full force of his presidency behind lobbying for the bill, suddenly the bill became law. It is flat out wrong, a lie, to suggest that the President has no power to influence legislation. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying to you, or has no concept whatsoever of how Washington works.

That is why even HRC had to finally admit that Gibbs' most recent statement was not helpful, and seemed to contradict the President's earlier promise to work with Congress to get the law repealed this year.

It's astounding how badly this White House has fucked over our community.

http://gay.americablog.com/2010/04/in-early-feb-white-house-backed-away.html

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:03 PM
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1. Well that's pretty fucking shitty, if true. We gotta get Obama moving faster on gay rights. :(
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:07 PM
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:24 PM
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9. Or, he committed publicly before telling his staff.
And there's something we don't know.

Why?

Obviously, this can't hurt the President politically, so why not do it now, many months before the election? There's got to be something else, some reason Obama's staff has slowed this down. I do NOT believe Obama's a stupid man, and to promise repealing DADT this year when he had no intention to do that would be stupid. The only way to describe him as a "craven liar" is if he did precisely this, promise it without intending to follow through.

Is making a promise and failing to keep it a lie? I would call it a fault, to be sure, but a craven lie? That's a bit much, isn't it?
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:33 PM
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15. This excuse cannot wash. It is a lie.
This is a major policy that the President felt important enough to include in his State of the Union. He knew much would be made of it in the media after making the statement during his speech. There is just no way his entire staff did not know his feelings on the matter.

It's funny to me. Everyone believes the President is this master strategist, crafty, intelligent, capable of getting his way.

And then LGBT issues come up.

And suddenly he's this clownish buffoon of a figurehead who has no idea what's going on or how to make anything happen.

It doesn't work for me.

And personally, I think it's strangely insulting to the President. Why do his defenders want to paint a picture of President Obama as a total powerless incompetent?

And why isn't this President ever responsible when things go wrong? Whenever there's a fuck-up, it's always someone else. In this case "his staff". Never him. Oh no, never.

So. Very. Sick. Of. This. when it comes to LGBT issues and this administration.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:32 PM
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13. The year has 8 months to go, and there is an off-year election
this fall.

He does not want to be put in a position where there is an obvious, easily referenced lie. My conclusion is he is holding on it until after the election so it can't be used against him - and you KNOW the repukes would campaign on it if he repealed it before the election.

What's wrong with this man? He is a cautious, pragmatic moderate, NOT the liberal icon the right would have us believe he is. But a liar? I don't think so.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:35 PM
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TriMera Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:38 PM
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18. No, no!
It's a chess game and we're the pawns. Remember?
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:41 PM
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19. He is cautious and pragmatic only when it he feels it may impact his political future.
It is not courageous, it is not anything to be proud of. And when someone says something and does another, that is the definition of a liar.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:29 PM
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37. "Pragmatic" is just another way of saying a person stands for nothing
and will sell out anyone to save their own career.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:17 AM
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39. Amen! I am so tired of hearing about "pragmatism."
It has become a nice euphemism for believing nothing.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:17 PM
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40. Quiet and go demonstrate how to separate an egg, homo.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:20 PM
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44. What's that mean?
Is there something newer than ponies I missed? Ponies and eggs? :shrug:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:20 PM
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41. Does seem 'pragmatic' is code for Democrats acting like Republicans.
It is the word we see whenever our Democratic majorities and White House are trying to foist another Republican policy on us.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 07:54 PM
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43. +
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:08 PM
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3. But I am sure there are those who will find a way to "justify" this.
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 06:09 PM by saracat
If nothing else they will say the Advocate is a biased source. :banghead: I can hear it already!:mad: :puke: Gay Rights are Human Rights. Period. End of story.
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:10 PM
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4. And gay rights "leaders" knew for *several months*
When were they planning on telling the rest of us?

Is there now any doubt whatsoever that the HRC serves the Democratic Party over the LGBT community?

Money, Power, Access.

Joe Solmonese should be fired if the organization is to maintain what threadbare credibility it now holds.

And Democratic politicians need to stop pretending that the HRC composes our community's "leaders".

No, no it does not. It hasn't for awhile now.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:13 PM
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5. leaders can be bought and sold, and politically pressured.
i think a lot of that happened in 2008. Obama was never an advocate for the lgbt community.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:16 PM
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TriMera Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:19 PM
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7. I'd have to respectfully disagree.
I don't think the proud men and women who chained themselves to the WH fence can be bought or sold. It's looking like that's the kind of leadership we need. Not the HRC. IMHO.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:23 PM
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8. I am not talking about those leaders, HRC, the Advocate itself was a huge obama supporter.
I feel the same about some womens organizations as well.

Women have gotten kicked to the curb as well. But still there are women groups and "leaders" who make excuses and continue to support.

Ms. Magazine put him on their cover as This is what a feminist looks like.
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TriMera Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:27 PM
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10. Well, I can't disagree with that. n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:13 PM
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23. Aravosis and Americablog were huge Obama backers too. Now they are "teabaggers" to the apologists.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:22 PM
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26. True.
I understand how it happened back then, but there comes a time where you have to stand up. Americablog was one of the first.

Of course they are the enemy now. It's how it worked in 2008 and nothings changed for some since then.
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:27 PM
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11. Pam Spaulding confirms story with "three independent sources"
Now, the HRC is trotting out their financially interested defender Robert Raben, but Pam Spaulding today noted that three independent sources confirmed the Advocate's story:

http://pamshouseblend.com/diary/15913/the-advocate-whs-messina-told-hrc-dadt-repeal-in-dod-authorization-was-off-the-table-back-in-feb

And I can say here today on the Blend that I have heard the exact same story about that meeting Kerry has reported on --from three independent sources. As in her case, none are willing to go on the record. Why? I can't speak for the sources, but DC is a company town -- with the industry being politics. I've remarked before that I've never seen so much free leaking in my life -- nothing stays a secret for long, as long as it doesn't go on the record, which could jeopardize professional relationships that are tightly intertwined. It doesn't mean those sources are wrong -- Kerry's article only strengthens the case, and places more heat on HRC regardless of the spin.

The President breaking his promise on DADT repeal -- we know that the dance around defense authorization with Robert Gibbs has been going on for months -- is a bit of a red herring here. Gibbs hasn't answered simple "yes" or "no" questions from Kerry in the press gallery for months, no matter how keenly she's recalibrated the question. The only conclusion one can come to is that the WH is politically afraid to answer directly.

But as you see above, there is this secondary, but no less important story about how our lobbying organization on the Hill conducts its business. One of the core definitions of non-profit institutional rot is when an organization's leadership crosses the line, willing to abandon the core mission in order in favor of sustaining its bloat. This has nothing to do with the hard work of the people doing the work on the ground in good faith, true believers accomplishing work that advances equality goals. That's what makes it so insidious.

Is that what is happening here? There are a lot of questions that need to be answered. Why, for instance, would Joe Solmonese purposely, definitively, go on the road, before cameras, before donors at all levels with their checkbooks out, and say that DADT will be repealed this year? Well, the cash flows in if people sitting at those tables believe HRC has the influence to make it happen then goals of one kind are achieved, but it certainly isn't mission based.


The HRC is going to lie their heads off about all of this, and many people are going to latch onto that to defend the President's mendacity on our issues.

Don't let them.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:48 PM
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32. thank you
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:30 PM
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12. And there it is.
It is flat out wrong, a lie, to suggest that the President has no power to influence legislation. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying to you, or has no concept whatsoever of how Washington works.

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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:36 PM
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17. That is one of the most maddening talking points, I read.
Do the people who spout that bs realize they are basically calling him a powerless fool, who can't get anything done?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:55 PM
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30. They're also reinforcing the stereotype that Democrats can't be effective leaders.
But I guess any spin is acceptable as long as reinforces the frame that Obama is superhuman and above all reproach.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:51 PM
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29. There are more than a few here who need a tattoo of that sentence!
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:01 PM
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31. and then have their keyboards confiscated. n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:10 PM
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34. nodding
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:32 PM
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14. K&R
They're fucked up; we're fucked over.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:45 PM
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20. knr
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:06 PM
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21. KICK AGAINST LIARS AND BIGOTS
NT!

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:08 PM
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22. Sad and pitiful. nt
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:15 PM
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24. I don't understand how the president could change his mind about DADT so quickly....
If I didn't know better I'd say President Obama wasn't being entirely forthcoming during the SOTU.

:shrug:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:15 PM
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33. Do you know better?
Really? Do we?
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:50 PM
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45. I know that this prez like thse before him don't mind using gay rights as a political footbal. n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:22 PM
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35. Remember "IT'S JUST ONE SONG!!!"? That was a warning about how Obama REALLY thinks of gay people.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:06 AM
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38. Do I ever.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 04:09 PM
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42. Let's not forget: "ITS ONLY GOIGN TO BE A TO MINUTE PRAYER!1!!!11!" N/T
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:13 PM
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46. +
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:18 PM
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25. Anyone who is surprised by this simply was "listening" challenged.
It wasn't what he said (although some things bothered me) it was always what he didn't say. He exhibited no emotion or understanding regarding our community. He just didn't/doesn't get it and it was always clear that he would not spend ANY political capital on this issue.

Some call him a liar. I call him a coward.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:25 PM
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36. He's both. It takes cowardice to create a liar.
NT!

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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:28 PM
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27. sad thing is, it's no longer surprising to learn this
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:39 PM
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28. Bigots in the White House. Shame. nt
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