Being Pro Life Includes Persons Who

[boston bean]

Believe their way is the only way for everybody.

Believe No abortion no MATTER what.

A pro life person would never believe a woman could make a different choice.

[BrklynLiberal]

1. Forced birthers are holding onto a totallly indefensible position.

[Shell Beau]

2. I think you should change the title. I am pro-life and pro-choice.

It is really anti-choice.

[JuniperLea]

3. I agree...

The two ideals are not mutually exclusive.

[boston bean]

6. no, pro life means you believe no woman should have an abortion no matter what.

You are pro choice alone.

[Shell Beau]

8. That is their meaning of the word. Not mine.

[boston bean]

9. Does it really matter, what it means for you? Do you know what Pro Choice means?

You are pro choice. If you would never have an abortion for yourself, but would not impose that beleif or choice upon another you are the neon sign advocating for choice.

Why do you need to make the distinction?

Pro lifers, who are anti choicers, have done a great job of redefining choice.

Take back the word choice, unless of course it's your personal feelings that win the day and are what you define as important.

[petronius]

12. I think you've got it backwards - anti-choice means the no-abortion-period people,

and using it reclaims the word "life", which, when you consider that women are people too, is actually more appropriate for the pro-choice position anyway...

[boston bean]

14. by reclaiming "life" you are redefining choice.

What do you mean by pro life? Do you mean you would never have an abortion yourself, for whatever reason.

[Shell Beau]

16. If a woman dies in a back alley abortion, how is that pro-life?

It will happen if it is outlawed, so therefore, they aren't pro-life, they are anti-choice.

[boston bean]

22. the anti abortionists have done a fine job of defining pro life and have got women

who believe in choice to use their rhetoric.

Choice already includes the right to feel however you want about abortion. just don't force your feelings on someone else.

Does it make someone feel better to say they are pro life, but would never dream of making it illegal.

Why does the distinction have to be made.

Are you choice, or are you pro life, the way it is used today, not your definition.

So if you are pro choice, just use that. Don't give the jesus freaks any juice.

[Shell Beau]

26. Or I can use the wording that I feel best describes it.

Their wording is wrong. It needs to be changed. If they were pro-life, they'd be concerned with the lives of the women who won't be able to get a "clean" abortion. They aren't. Pro-life sounds all lovely, but it isn't.

[boston bean]

28. No kidding pro life doesn't sound lovely. Why would you want to use that term to describe yourself

I assume, you would never have an abortion. Correct?

When I hear people say they are pro life, they mean they will never have an abortion.

Well if you would never have an abortion and don't want anyone else to have one, you are pro life.

If you would never have an abortion and would never force your view upon another, you are pro choice.

I don't care how you meant it.

[Shell Beau]

30. I know the meanings of the words. Thanks for the lesson, but

I didn't need it.

I am pro-life for the women who will not be able to get an abortion in a safe way. Why doesn't that make sense to you?

[petronius]

21. That's what anti-choicers mean by pro-life. By correctly calling them "anti-choicers"

we clarify that "life" means a lot more than merely a fetus...

[boston bean]

23. They are not just calling pro lifers anti choice, they are calling themselves pro lifers.

it does not help.

[petronius]

46. Who is "they"? Are you talking about some specific incident/group?

Was your OP intended to be a reply in another thread? :shrug:

Regardless, I call my self pro-choice. People who are opposed to abortion I call anti-choice. I do not call anti-choice people pro-life, and I do not concede that word to them, because their position is not truly pro-life. If they are pro- anything, it's pro-fetus.

[Shell Beau]

13. It matters because they are anti-choice. Being pro-choice doesn't

make one anti-life. I don't like the wording of it. That is why it matters.

[boston bean]

15. Well, you might as well be in their company, they have already claimed the word.

And by trying to reclaim it you are morphing what Choice means. And spreading their slogan around.

[Shell Beau]

17. Excuse me? You're not making any sense.

[boston bean]

18. Why would you use a phrase to describe yourself, that goes against what you say you stand for.

If you say your are pro life, but pro choice, you are morphing what choice is.

Choice already means that you can believe what you want personally but would never force it upon another person.

Why do you feel the need to distinguish between the two?

[Shell Beau]

20. I am pro the woman's life and her option to choose.

[boston bean]

25. Then you are pro choice, what you feel is already included in pro choice.

[Shell Beau]

27. I know that, but I don't believe they should be allowed the word

"pro-life" because that isn't what they are.

[boston bean]

29. For yourself, would you have an abortion?

What exactly do you mean that you are pro life?

Because if you believe in the health of a woman and life all the way around, there is no need to distinguish yourself as a pro lifer.

[Shell Beau]

31. This is frustrating. Jeez.

Nevermind. I can't explain myself any more clearly than I have. You aren't getting me, and I am certainly not getting you.

And to answer your very personal question about me having an abortion, no I wouldn't. I have taken my friend to a clinic and sat with her while she made her choice though, and I had just miscarried. Didn't matter. It wasn't me. It was her and her choice.

[boston bean]

33. Are you calling yourself pro life because you don't believe in abortion for yourself?

[Shell Beau]

34. No.

[boston bean]

35. Okay then, abortion would be an option for you personally?

[Shell Beau]

36. No, but that is not why I use the term pro-life.

I edited one of my posts to answer that question for you earlier.

[boston bean]

37. Really, that is the reason I run across most often as to why people

call themselves pro life, but pro choice.

And my point is, a person that feels that way is not pro life (as it is defined today, not your interpretation) they are pro choice, and there is no need to make any further distinction.

[Shell Beau]

38. I don't understand why you don't have a problem with their use of the

word "pro-life". They are pro-fetus. They aren't pro-woman's life.

[boston bean]

39. because pro life is already thoroughly defined.

And because it is so well defined, trying to reclaim "pro-life" people are morphing what choice means.

I myself am pro choice, I would never describe myself as pro life. Pro life means no choice.

Also, I just explained why many people use the term "I'm pro life, but pro choice". For some reason they need to make a distinction, and when that is done, I think it weakens the pro choice stance. It's almost like they would never do anything so disgusting. It's almost like they feel the need to make themselves feel better about themselves. I think it is also indicative of how far the fundies have gotten into the head of women.

So, I chose to defend choice, not reclaim a term that already had a very clear meaning.

[Shell Beau]

40. Well I choose to refuse to let them have a word that doesn't mean

what they stand for.

[boston bean]

42. Shell, you will never convince them they aren't fighting for life. And in doing what you are doing

you are weakening the true meaning of choice, imho.

[Shell Beau]

44. I respectfully disagree.

[boston bean]

45. How many women, who believe abortion could be an option, call themselves pro life.

I will agree that the pro life term sucks, but it means what it means.

[Shell Beau]

47. Although we agree on the pro-choice stance, we differ on our opinions

on the terminology. Many here also seem to disagree about the whole pro-life terminology.

[JerseygirlCT]

24. Yup

Absolutely.

Do not allow them their phony label. There's nothing of "life" in people who think they can control a woman's body and very personal choices.

[AuntPatsy]

4. The truth is, their church leaders tell them they should believe..otherwise they could care less...

That the truth of ninety nine percent of them and their church leaders are led by the GOP operatives...hand in hand, the exchange of currency and power is the transparency as to why this is even up for debate six months out of every year...

[boston bean]

5. The reasons for my postings are because, it seems

as though people do not understand what the terms mean.

do I think pro life sucks as a term, yes, but the definition of it is clear. And it is what i wrote above.

[AuntPatsy]

32. The simple truth is that pro life is simply an untrue jingle being used to ensure

the gop has something to use come election year....


we live we die...no one lives forever therefore it is more than obvious at least to myself that life is just not all that important when all is said and done...to pretend otherwise is surely limiting to one's time they do get to walk this great and wonderful planet of ours and be able to feel the sunshine and breathe in the breathtaking views and splendors that surrounds us while we do exist....

such worrying in my opinion takes too much energy and time away from that is truly important...using that time wisely is the key, helping not hurting others should be first priority..enjoying those that are with you in the moments you exist instead of ignoring the happiness they might otherwise be able to share with you, nothing is forever, nothing...and the sooner some realize that the easier it will be to enjoy what little time we are given wisely and honestly and help others to experience the same...

[OHdem10]

7. Exactly!!!

[bain_sidhe]

10. That is the anti-choicers' definition, sure

But that's not MY definition of "pro-life." I don't accept the anti-choicers' definition of "pro-life."

Objectively, "pro" means "for" or "in favor of" and "life" means - well, many things, technically, but in this instance, it means: "the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally."

I am for life, I am in favor of the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

I am pro-life. I am also pro-choice.

[boston bean]

11. by taking back the words "pro life" you are re-defining choice, to it's detriment.

Choice includes all definitions, as long as your will is not forced upon another.

[WeDidIt]

19. I don't consider those people "pro-life" as they are truly pro-death. n/t

[Blue Meany]

41. I presume they are also against war and the death penalty n/t

[Shell Beau]

43. Exactly. They are opposite of pro-life.