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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 12:21 PM
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Teabaggies too dim to figure out what to think about financial reform
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 12:21 PM by BurtWorm
Even their puppetmasters are too dim to know what to make their puppets think and feel about it.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-04-20/why-the-tea-party-isnt-touching-financial-reform/


Republicans and Democrats alike have been gearing up for battle on financial reform, with GOP senators united in their opposition and Democrats all but daring them to filibuster. But if it comes to a fight, will the Republicans have any backup outside Capitol Hill?

Tax Day rallies last week in Washington, D.C., were devoid of signs, slogans, and speeches on the finance bill, and influential right-leaning websites like Red State and Hot Air have all but ignored the issue this week, despite major movement on the Democrats’ legislation. There are some exceptions—Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) took at least a little heat from activists for playing ball with Democrats on the legislation last month—but by and large there’s been no high-profile campaign to defeat the bill, and a number of conservative activists concede that the grassroots are inactive.

“It’s almost like the whole grassroots movement can’t get loose of <health care>. Because of the repeal issue, the battle isn’t over. The Tea Party movement is not moving on.”

Dick Armey, president of Tea Party organizer FreedomWorks, acknowledged in an interview that his group has yet to make its mark on the debate.

“We haven’t had a chance to study it,” Armey said. “We have a general skepticism that wouldn’t know how to regulate the financial industry.”


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Phillip Dennis, founder of the Dallas Tea Party and state coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots, said he was largely unaware of the finance legislation, but expected it to stir a reaction eventually.

“I think it will become more on the radar as it becomes closer to a vote,” he said. “I don’t think a lot of people understand it yet and the details are just starting to come out.”

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 12:25 PM
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1. apparently Rush and Sean haven't told them what to think yet
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:33 AM
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 12:26 PM
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2. To far over their heads...we cannot expect them to know what derivatives are
and why we should regulate them! I mean, that is too much for the teabaggers.
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Ralphie40 Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:38 AM
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17. I wouldn't bring that up
Clinton himself said that he didn't understand them and took bad advice.

Maybe you can explain it to us. I watched the PBS special on Brooksley Born and her warnings to the Clinton Administration, but they didn't get into much detail.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 12:37 PM
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3. i.e., they know they oppose it, they just don't know why yet. n/t
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SocialistLez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 12:37 PM
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4. Just lower the banks taxes and then they'll behave better
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 12:44 PM
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5. If the popular media could bring themselves to write "Republicans in disarray"
But of course, the only party that can be in "disarray" is the Democrats, so the media can't say that Republicans are in disarray, even when they patently are. Mitch McConnell made a lot of tough statements about stopping financial reform legislation in the Senate, but when some of his caucus (like Sen. Grassley) said that they were in favor of reining in Wall Street’s excesses, McConnell began backing off his obstructionist language. At this point, the only Republican making brave noises is back-bencher Eric Cantor, claiming that every Republican in the House is going to ferociously oppose regulatory reform. It’s empty rhetoric, like Sister Mary Elizabeth at Our Lady of Perpetual Sorrows saying she’s going to stop LeBron James in Cleveland’s next playoff game.

The Republicans are in no position to help their fatcat pals, and they know it. That will not, however, stop the popular media from pretending that they can, and filing a lot of misleading reports implying that the banksters are going to escape scrutiny.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 02:31 PM
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8. Which article of the Constitution is that?
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 02:32 PM by BurtWorm
Is that next to the one telling how many cubits long the ark should be?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:58 PM
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:03 PM
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12. Learned all I need to know about silver from the Hunt Brothers a few decades ago
Thanks but no thanks.

Don
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:42 AM
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19. What Wonderful Taste In Sources You Have, Sir
From your link, verbatim; no comment necessary....

The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are...

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.

Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.

Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:50 AM
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20. Number 1 says abolition of slavery is an evil commie thing. Wow. Just wow. -nt
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:00 AM
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22. With No. 10, Sir, Closing With The Horror Of Public Education....
And in passing, denunciation of 'women in the workplace', the Civil Rights Act of '64, Social Security, and so much more....
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:17 AM
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23. And did you know the IRS is actually headquartered at Puerto Rico?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:23 AM
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24. The Hell You Say, Sir
One learns a new thing every day, eh?

"Agencies like the IRS are based in Puerto Rico, because as a Federal territory is exempt from the limitations of U.S. Constitution."
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:29 AM
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25. I'm curious about what our little metallic-headgear-wearing friend will say when he wakes up.
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 02:30 AM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
Assuming he won't bang his nose at the underside of a thick slab of rock when he does so.

It's always a pleasure to go hunting alongside you, Sir!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 02:34 AM
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26. Thank You, My Friend
The feeling is mutual. I am for bed, however: it is well past Beelzebub's bed-time....

"Tally-ho!"
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 11:37 AM
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34. Doggone it, you all scared him off!
Serves me right for not checking in on the thread more often.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:47 AM
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28. A point to always keep in mind:
Opinions come from facts. The rightwing does not have facts, they have lies. Therefore they have no opinions, they have delusions.

Personally, I take offense to crap spewing like our friend stargazzr for two reasons; 1) what he is saying isn't true, which is enough, and 2) who are these "Americans"? Am I not an American because I disagree with him? Point 1 makes me want to laugh at him, point 2 makes me want to beat the shit out of him.

Good job slaying the troll.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 09:22 AM
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29. Well Said, My Friend
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:57 AM
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21. That site you cite says the 14th Amendment is a bad thing. Do you agree with that?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 02:33 PM
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9. So, I should plunge on silver then?
Lordy, wherever they come from, the supply seems endless.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 07:11 PM
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 09:37 AM
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31. How much is a douchemark worth?
For you, sir, have been marked.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:30 AM
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18. Do you really offer silver coins at gas stations? And people give you 5 galloons for each? Where?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 02:36 PM
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10. Hahaha...the Legacy of Dubya - ignoramuses who talk as 'good' as GWB.
Oh this should be rich...watching a bunch of Bush Idiot Clones try and explain social-economic decay! :rofl:


Teabaggers - series, just give up now you guys don't stand a chance.
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:34 AM
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16. Fox Noise haven't given them any opinion yet
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 03:04 AM
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27. This is that 'changy' thing they talk about, changing the flow of money back to them
but they are just too too stupid to wrap their teabags around a concept such as investing.


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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 09:33 AM
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30. The GOPers are just good at stealing money, not accounting for it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 09:49 AM
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32. Maybe the truth is that some TeaBaggers have figured out that their fascist funders were USING THEM
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 09:55 AM by blm
and their movement to trick them into siding with CORRUPT INSURANCE companies and BIG BANKS and FRAUDULENT FINANCIERS and MURDEROUS MINEOWNERS.

It's quite possible that Armey and his deregulation crowd haven't found the words that can dupe even the dumbest teabagger on this issue. You can bet they have Luntz focusgrouping words like crazy at this point.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:06 AM
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33. Yes, they do have Luntz working on it feverishly.
But I wouldn't give their rank and file too much credit. They've proven themselves to be very docile dupes.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 04:37 PM
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35. 'Government Take-Over Of the Entire Private Sector' Seems The Emerging Line, Sir
Boehner trotted it out yesterday. Most will swallow it, hook, line, and sinker....
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