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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:07 PM
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Poll question: Do you believe Marijuana use should be legal for adults?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:09 PM
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1. I say it should be mandatory for all adults.
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:57 PM
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13. +1000
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:07 PM
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15. agreed....
Seriously.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:11 PM
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2. I stopped smoking pot when I became an adult because I didn't want to risk employment or
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 02:12 PM by aikoaiko
a criminal record. I miss that wonderful buzz, but I like my job better.

I thank all my toking brothers and sisters for all their civil disobedience. :)
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:25 PM
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6. I also quit when I became an adult -
I think I was 35 at the time.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:37 PM
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9. I never really got started. A friend got busted when we were 14/15... most of us stopped.
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 02:39 PM by OneTenthofOnePercent
It was OK, I guess. But it's just not worth the consequences.
Now, as a grownup, it makes zero sense to risk the consequences of drug use (or alcohol abuse).

Edit: Damn... it's weird to think of being 14/15. Despite being decades ago, it seems like yesterday. Bummer.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:35 PM
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40. 35 is the new 20
So you could probably start toking up again. :)
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:45 AM
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50. But 55 is the new 35,
so I'd just have to quit again tomorrow.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 05:21 PM
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33. I quit smoking for basically the same reason.
I enjoyed it, but it wasn't worth losing my job or risking jailtime over.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:15 PM
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3. I believe it should be legal with the same restrictions as alcohol or tobacco.
I say this as a non smoker or drinker.
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JenniferJuniper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:28 PM
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7. What, you don't think driving in the breakdown lane at 5 mph is cool?
All the while looking over your shoulder for the cops, of course.

If you are speaking about kids, I agree. But as far as I'm concerned, if you can join the military at 18, 18 should be the standard age for the usage all legal substances.

But you raise a point to think about. How does one measure marijuana impairment?

I'd much rather be in a car with a stoned driver than drunk driver, but there's no denying one shouldn't be doing certain activities whilst baked.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:34 PM
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8. Indeed. Give it a purchase age of 18 and use restrictions similar to alcohol.
Almost everybody can't show up to work drunk, you can drive drunk, carry a firearm drunk... etc.
Make it the same for Marijuana. Then people have no reason to compalin about the negative externalities of stoners.

If we can regulate the use of alcohol then the same can be done for pot.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 05:27 PM
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35. The Cal ballot initiative largely mirrors alcohol laws.
The grow limits, for example, are similar to the limits that home brewers face (can't transport or sell). It will be illegal to use it in public. It will be illegal to be stoned in public. It will be illegal for anyone under 21 to posses or use it. It will be a felony to provide it to anyone under 21. It will be a felony to drive under the influence of it. Stores wishing to sell it must be licensed to do so. Businesses wishing to allow people to use it on their property must be licensed to do so. And on, and on.

It basically mirrors the entire legal structure that already exists for alcohol.
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:28 AM
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55. Which doesn't make sense...
I've aced university exams and worked shifts proficiently while under the influence.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 11:10 AM
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58. So?
I know a guy who drinks at least a six pack of beer a day, starting with breakfast. He's an incredibly skilled CNC operator, and you'd never know that his BAC is probably never under .04. I know another guy who gets buzzed off of one beer (skinny little guy, doesn't drink much...he's hilarious at parties).

Laws are written to the lowest common denominator. That's just how it works.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:15 PM
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4. Need a: "Hell Yes!" option
:smoke: :applause:
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 04:42 PM
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30. Seems to be implied by the # of "yes" votes!
n/t
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:16 PM
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5. Think of the tax revenues that could be made of dope
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:40 PM
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10. OK, lissen up & I'll tell you what's wrong with legalizing pot.
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What was I saying?
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:25 PM
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20. That joke never everevereverever gets old!
Never ever ever ever ever ever ever!!
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one_voice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:52 PM
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11. Yes.
But then again I think prostitution should be legal too.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 02:52 PM
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12. I have never smoked it, but I believe it should be completely legal. what I fear...
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 03:03 PM by Javaman
is that once it becomes legalized and heavily regulated, that there will suddenly be mass commercialization.

What will result is types and strains that will be so watered down and so completely soaked in chemicals, that the industry will become no better than the tobacco industry.

Once it is realized, across the board, how much money is to be made world wide, it will stop being something fun and relaxing to something that will be annoying and frustrating.

Anything that was once fun, no matter what it is or was, once the ad execs get a hold of it, it becomes so completely saturated that the original concept of why people did what ever it was originally, will be gone.

I know people can easily grow their own, but for the vast majority of smokers, they don't.

So it will be very interesting to see how things play out once william morris starts promoting it.

It's all fun and games until someone legalizes it. Then it becomes business.

People will look back at these times as the good old days.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:21 PM
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19. OTOH, you could always light one and laugh at the TV commercials. nt
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:39 PM
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41. I think it'll be more like the beer industry with microbreweries and homebrew enthusiasts.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 07:51 AM
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49. That would be the best outcome.
I think, initially, it will be heavily taxed.

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:51 AM
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52. Have you heard of the (completely legal!) product called "K2" and "Spice"?
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 08:52 AM by Romulox
All your fears have come true even with a full blown Drug War. :hi:





Photo: K2 is a popular brand of "fake pot."

"A 10-year-old child could walk into a head shop and buy it," said Shawn Rhoads, a police detective in West Plains, Mo. "It's not a tobacco, it's not regulated by anything. It would be like sending my 10-year-old son into Wal-Mart to buy potpourri."

The substance, often called "Spice," "Genie," or "Zohai" is sprayed with a synthetic compound chemically similar to THC and mostly made in China. It's smoked in joints or pipes, just like the real deal.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-6219654-504083.html
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:20 AM
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53. I recently heard about K2.
Interesting stuff. I know the feds are all freaked out about it.

I wonder if they will deal with this on Weeds. LOL
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marginlized Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:04 PM
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14. And CA is going to get the chance this fall....
I just wonder how many people who I know have smoked it will suddenly get cold feet when it comes to voting for it. As far as I've heard, the entire campaign is being underwritten pretty much by one wealthy guy. Maybe that's what it takes these days to make change.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:09 PM
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16. Funny the NYT poll claimed only 33% of American want
legalization. However after reading some of the quotes in the poll, I noticed that all the "againsts" were people over 60. Some of them actually still think Reefer Madness is a documentary. :rofl:
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mrmpa Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:10 PM
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17. Out of the mouths of seniors
I had a conversation with a 70 year old man in my building. He uses a scooter to get around, and phenatyl(sp) patches and vicodin to control the pain. He said he's waiting for the day pot is legal. He believes it would control his pain better and would not wreak as much havoc on him as the "legal" stuff does. I don't think he used pot in his earlier days, as he was a NCAA division 1 athlete and spent 20 years in the Navy. From his mouth to the ears of our legislative bodies.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:15 PM
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18. define legal
legal to add to food products for sale, to use OTC, to use with a prescription, to grow and use your own but no for sale...
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:28 PM
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21. Similar as alcohol and/or tobacco restrictions.
Food product is fine so long as there is full disclosure and it's only sold to adults.

Growth for personal use should be permitted, if need be require fencing or locking precautions to prohibit minors from partaking.

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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:30 PM
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39. ok
some state are more restrictive than others on these things in terms of purchasing and where you may use them. But overall I get it.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:36 PM
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22. There is not ONE viable reason it should be criminalized in the first place
For it to be illegal and liquor and tobacco being subsidized is just another example of how screwed up our legal system is.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:38 PM
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23. +1000
It's all because of Hearst.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 04:00 PM
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27. The criminalization of Hemp is even more egregious..
Think of the things we could have been using hemp for. From Wikipedia...

In modern times, hemp has been used for industrial purposes including paper, textiles, biodegradable plastics, construction, health food, fuel, and medical purposes.<1> with modest commercial success.<2><3> In the past three years, commercial success of hemp food products has grown considerably.<4><5>

Hemp is one of the faster growing biomasses known,<6> producing up to 25 tonnes of dry matter per hectare per year,<7> and one of the earliest domesticated plants known.<8> For a crop, hemp is very environmentally friendly as it requires few pesticides<9> and no herbicides.<10>

Cannabis sativa L. subsp. sativa var. sativa is the variety grown for industrial use, while C. sativa subsp. indica generally has poor fibre quality and is primarily used for production of recreational and medicinal drugs. The major difference between the two types of plants is the appearance and the amount of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) secreted in a resinous mixture by epidermal hairs called glandular trichomes, although they can also be distinguished genetically.<11> Strains of Cannabis approved for industrial hemp production produce only minute amounts of this psychoactive drug, not enough for any physical or psychological effects. Typically, hemp contains below 0.3% THC, while Cannabis grown for marijuana can contain anywhere from 6 to over 20%.<12>

Industrial hemp is produced in many countries around the world.<13> Major producers include Canada, France, and China. While more hemp is exported to the United States than to any other country, the United States Government does not consistently distinguish between marijuana and the non-psychoactive Cannabis used for industrial and commercial purposes.<12>
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 04:04 PM
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28. Yep. We could be growing it for fuel, paper, and clothing.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:40 PM
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24. Absolutely.
It is nothing short of ridiculous to keep it illegal.
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harry_pothead Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:46 PM
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25. Read this poll, Senator Boxer.
These are your supporters.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:43 PM
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42. BB thinks prison guards are a better base than stoners, I'm afraid....
Don't get me wrong-- I like Boxer a lot, but on this issue, she has chosen the wrong constituency.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:58 PM
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26. Yes, of course
next question
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 04:06 PM
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29. Yes
My garden should be full of nice buds right now :smoke:
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:37 AM
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56. One in the grow room.
One flowering.

One aging/drying.


Best fucking hobby for a retired loafer, hands down.


:hi:
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:49 AM
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57. You bet
sounds like paradise :smoke:
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 05:18 PM
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31. Yes, and I'm not really interested in partaking either. n/t
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 05:20 PM
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32. Absolutely.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 05:23 PM
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34. Do I think it should be legal: YES ...
Do I advocate its use ... not really. I'm not into alcohol either ... but, to each her own.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:18 PM
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36. self-selected kick! :)
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:20 PM
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37. Yes
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:25 PM
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38. Since there's not a "Fuck, Yes, and well past time, too" option-
I voted Yes.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:20 PM
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43. and for unruly children
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:20 PM
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44. and for unruly children
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 11:44 PM
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45. Of course.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 12:23 AM
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46. I've never used it.
I voted Yes because it's not up to me to make choices for others who do use it. I like to have a few beers now and then and I smoke cigarettes. I don't drive when I'm drinking and I am mindful of non-smokers when I'm smoking. I mind my own business and wish others would mind their own too.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 12:28 AM
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47. I can't believe this is still even a question and I haven't smoled in years.
What the hell. We let idiots into national parks with guns, people who don't even know they owe that to Obama, people who can't find their parking brake with a map, but we can't smoke a joint legally in our living rooms?

Man.

:rofl:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 12:47 AM
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48. Yes, but I don't want any.
Can't stand weed. But it should be legal.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:48 AM
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51. Disturbing that there are 12 lurking fascists out there. nt
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:26 AM
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54. Fascists trolls. Not one of them had the nerve to actually comment. n/t
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