I have to say Romney

[Wetzelbill]

He's a slick guy, got the looks, is kind of dumb, utterly shameless. Classic GOP.

He was much more articulate than the rest.

[Seen the light]

1. Of the top 3, he was the most articulate by far

Of the second tier, I thought Brownback scored the most points with his base.

[roamer65]

2. Mittler is a Dick DeVos clone.

:puke:

[knitter4democracy]

37. *shudder* That's enough to scare me to death.

He's got Mormon missionaries in Michigan going around trying to get his signs in business windows already. Seriously.

[Ilsa]

44. Great. Get some video. We can start taxing the Mormon Church.

Since they steal, I mean take, 10% off the top of their members' paychecks, it could be a pretty good haul. Might buy a few weeks of the war.

[knitter4democracy]

111. It happened to a shop owner I was on the phone with.

She was more than a little upset about it, too, when she got back on the phone.

[blitzen]

3. but they don't really like articulate

[Wetzelbill]

7. good point

Of course, Reagan was "The Great Communicator" so are you saying something bad about sacred Ronnie?

Wby do you hate America so much?

[AlCzervik]

4. he'll win their primary, i have no doubt unless he has a youtube moment.

[MannyGoldstein]

21. Like This One?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

Trying to prove he's to the LEFT of Ted Kennedy?

(Actually, even this won't sink him. What I keep saying - and nobody listens - is that the MittFlopper is the most dangerous candidate out there. As evil as Bush and 40 times smarter. Be very afraid.)

[AlCzervik]

25. maybe but he needs a more current one, i watched that one live on tv

when i lived in Mass.

[Cha]

55. To witness..romney swarmed

his way into the guvship of Massachusets.

Oh well..they have a good one now. But, we know how those republicons love swarm and willard has tons to spare.

[Colobo]

5. Romney is the man we are running against

Giuliani will probably be his running mate.

[Mr. Blonde]

10. I would guess Hunter is his running mate

Both coasts and all that. Plus the true believers over at Free Republic seem to like Hunter a lot, and there is a lot of Romney hate there. If he is their nominee he will have to have someone the far far right will vote for, and Guiliani ain't it.

[WinkyDink]

86. Two N'easters? I doubt it!

[blm]

114. GOPs can get away with that. The corpmedia won't treat it like a penalty the way they

do EVERYTHING about the Democrats.

[deadparrot]

6. But he's a New England elitist...

Not a good ol' boy like Dubya and Ronnie. :crazy:

[Wetzelbill]

11. that is a definite problem

Maybe he can move to Texas, clear brush with a chainsaw on a "Ranch" with no horses? I bet he'd do it. He seems like he'd do or say anything.

[sniffa]

14. ewwww

he's not from here! x(

he's from utahchigan.

[Bucky]

80. I think that's the excuse they're saving for after he loses the election

Romney does look like a president, which is of course how we got Warren Harding.

[gollygee]

115. They're trying to pretend he's from Michigan

like they pretend W is from Texas

[Sparkly]

8. Nasty, divisive, insulting, pompous, chauvanist, sanctimonious Used Car Salesman

Yup, the wingnuts will love him.

Him and also Duncan Hunter, that's my guess.

[sniffa]

9. and as reagan once reaganed

reagan and the reagan of the reagan, reahanesque reagans on the reagan.

[Wetzelbill]

13. how Reaganesque

It's like The Smurfs. Oh you look smurfy today.... that's smurfilicious!

[sniffa]

16. every candidate had their reaganizer working

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[Seen the light]

17. As a former member, I think I'm uniquely qualified to say....

No chance in Hades. Although many hardcore Christian Republicans I know are unaware that Romney is a Mormon.

Once that comes out and gets a lot of play (and it will the closer to primary season we come), he's gone.

[UTUSN]

15. Yip, ROMNEY won. GIULIANI lost. Ron PAUL lost.

Basically Mittenfuhrer was unflappable even on his flip flops.

GIULIANI almost blew it on the Sunni-Shia question, stumbling into the correct answer, and being totally TENTATIVE throughout.

Ron PAUL stumbled on the "crisis decision" question, saying "I don't think I've ever made one..."

Who were the 3 or 4 a-holes raising their hands on disbelieving evolution?

[Hawaii Hiker]

31. "Who were the 3 or 4 a-holes raising their hands on disbelieving evolution?"

Brownback for SURE, I couldn't make out the others....

[Ediacara]

36. Brownback, Huckabee, and Tancredo

Thanks to A-Schwarzenegger for sending that along to me!

[Matariki]

68. Huckabee? And he seemed like such a nice, articulate guy on Colbert n/t

[Bucky]

85. He is a nice, articulate guy... just one who thinks the world is flat

Left to run a homeless shelter or a humane society pound, he would do the world a lot of good.

But sadly we live in an age of faith-based leadership... and we have the dead soldiers and tarnished reputation to prove it.

[Ilsa]

48. Ron Paul NEVER made a crisis decision while practicing medicine?

What did he do, just let people die?

[LibDemAlways]

91. I caught that, too. It was bizarre.

I can't picture that guy in a profession dedicated to helping and healing people. His whole philosophy seems to be based on survival of the fittest. Very, very odd guy.

[rurallib]

18. "Articulate" - can you say that about a Mormon?

[FreeState]

49. Im mormon

and I really don't appreciate the bigoted comments I keep seeing here.

[rurallib]

112. Sorry if you took that as bigoted. I was playing off the Biden

comment on Obama from a few months ago. I grew up catholic and had my share of bigotry aimed my way, so I try to be very sensitive to that. As for candidates and religions, I am sick of any and all candidates who flaunt their religion. It grates on me to hear Obama constantly invoking God, and Huckabee talking of how his religion will influence his decisions. I am also tired of Romney's opponents using his religion as a negative.
I often times feel like my country has left me.
Edit to add:
I was a fan of Mittens father George. Mittens is in no way even a shadow of his father.

[alfredo]

19. Early on he in effect he wouldn't listen to the will of the people when it

comes to the war in Iraq. Look at the transcript or rerun.

[saltpoint]

20. He has the Hollywood matinee idol physical profile but he's just a bit

too creepy for me.

Well, that's not true. He's WAY too creepy for me.

[Wetzelbill]

22. well yeah, which means he's perfect for the GOP

[saltpoint]

23. yep. I hear you, but he seems even ultra-creepy. Creepier than their

usual, I mean.

Creepy-plus.

[Wetzelbill]

27. Romney is unnervingly creepy, kind of like Tom Cruise

Like he has this pristine, good looking exterior, but is completely freakish otherwise. Like brainwashed freakish. Like waiting for Hale-Bopp freakish.

[saltpoint]

41. The Hale-Bopp connection works for me. I see Mitt in his bunker

with the white sneakers on his scaley legs...

Good lord.

[TayTay]

34. I lived through Romney in MA

He is far creepier in real life than the guy he plays on TV.

At least none of his campaign ads have yet shown him lounging around the pool with his shirt off. However, the campaign is not that old yet. And they give no warning when this stuff comes on TV. One minute you're having a nice dinner with your kids and the next, wham, Romney on the TV shirtless.

Shudder, shudder, shudder.

[mloutre]

39. *AIEEEE!* Run away! Run very away! (n/t)

[saltpoint]

40. They let Mitt Romney in pools with all that crap in his hair?!?

Oo yuck.

[Blaukraut]

42. Romney has done nothing but screw up Mass

and now he has the cojonas to run on his record in our state. Record fuck-ups maybe. He may be handsome in the 'I just got oiled and waxed' sort of way, but that pretty head of his is full of nothing but no good shit.

[saltpoint]

59. Good sources from the Bay State agree with you, LevensonK. A former

high school friend now in Boston has NO interest in Mitt Romney at all, nevermind as President of the United States.

[TwilightGardener]

24. Yup, Romney--most presidential of the goofballs.

[global1]

26. Reminds Me Of Robert Redford In the Movie 'The Candidate'....nt

[fedupinBushcountry]

38. Are you nuts n/t

[highplainsdem]

28. Scarborough picked him, said he was hearing from conservatives

already that Romney won.

Another phony GOP candidate. Really not a very good one, but it's a pretty sad-looking field of candidates.

[TahitiNut]

29. It's Nutshell Official!! The WINNER of the debate tonight was ....

Fred Thompson!!

... for sure.

[TwilightGardener]

35. Actually, the big fat loser--he gave Romney a chance to shine.

[Hawaii Hiker]

30. Mitt Romney came across as a real pompous ass

I dislike him immensely....Flip-flopping champion of the world - yuck, Romney makes me sick..

[Bryan]

32. Romney was scary

Articulate, relaxed, immaculately groomed, and brimming with conviction (that spiel about believing that every action Bush has taken is sincerely focused on winning the "War on Terror" was delivered without a hint of sarcasm or irony. It was astonishing). As far as the Republican field is concerned, Gov. Romney is Public Enemy #1. We've got to keep an eye on this guy.

[Ediacara]

33. He reminds me of Tony Snow with a VERY BAD dye job

Just as slick, just as phoney, just as condescending.

[Disturbed]

50. The Bush Family is promoting Romney/Jeb

It's in the bag.

[WinkyDink]

87. Is that the "After/Before Jenny Craig" ticket?

[IChing]

43. "Battlefield Earth" he will never live that down

as his favorite book.



http://instapundit.com/archives2/004722.php

[BlooInBloo]

45. Yup - no one flipflops better than Mitt! Sheesh. The things that impress DUers.

[Wetzelbill]

53. not impressed at all

just saying he won tonight. But look at the competition. I tell you what, that was one weird reply.

[AlCzervik]

54. no one is impressed--sheesh.

[rox63]

46. He is as bad as us MA residents have been telling you

And he was able to lie about it effectively enough about it to get elected Governor of the bluest state in the country. He is one scary individual. :scared: After having lived under one Romney administration, I DO NOT want to be forced to live under another one. :scared:

[oberliner]

47. He is pretty articulate for a white guy

Hopefully someone didn't beat me to that joke.

[bullwinkle428]

64. Articulate enough to repeat a series of lines from his campaign commercial verbatim!

Another DUer pointed that out as well at almost the same moment in one of the running debate threads...

As Stephanie Miller likes to say, "a human talking point!"

[WinkyDink]

89. Clean, too!

[Blue_In_AK]

51. He looks like a game show host...

Come on DOWN!

[AlCzervik]

52. Guy Smiley!!

[Blue_In_AK]

69. The spittin' image.

:rofl:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

58. Or a Mortician - with that smarmy unctuous look

[adigal]

56. Yup, the new corporate puppet

Outsourcing, lower taxes for the wealthy, cuts in all sorts of programs like Social Security and Medicare, and more,more,more for the corporations.

Perfect Republican.

[skipos]

57. I am hoping for a Mitt nomination.

Even Hillary could beat him.

[Erika]

60. Too bad Chris didn't ask him about calling his wife up to heaven

Mormon women can only gain access to Heaven if they are called "up" by their husbands.

Also no questions on how Mormons believe their men will become Gods to their own planets upon their deaths.

[minkyboodle]

63. I never heard that before

I was raised in a LDS household. That doesn't mean its not true,
I'd just like to see a source. About the becoming gods thing,
that is definitely something that finds its way into LDS thought.
I thought that once a family was "sealed" that they were together
forever in heaven etc. Once again I may be wrong but I was actually
in the church till I was 13.
Minkyboodle

[FreeState]

66. Thats because its not true

Im a return missionary - first clue the previous poster does not know LDS doctrine would be that he refers to "heaven" as one place. (remember there are three kingdoms of heaven and the highest has three degree's in it as well). However it is church doctrine that husbands who have been through the Temple will call their wives up to resurrection (not the same as "heaven").

[minkyboodle]

67. good point

the tiered system is unique to LDS theology. thanks for the reply.

[Erika]

70. Please don't challenge me on Mormon doctrine

I've been there done that. It is up to the man to call his wife "up". Up is the term I used.

[FreeState]

71. I am LDS and temple endowed

I'm fairly certain I know what I am talking about. And you said "up to heaven" - they call them for the resurrection - that takes place before the Judgement.

[Erika]

72. My relatives came over with the handcarts and are buried

in Cache Valley, with the seal on their tombstones. From New York and Nauvoo.

[FreeState]

73. So are mine..

doesn't mean you know squat about LDS doctrine... like the fact to got to Outer Darkness you have to hold the Priesthood.

[Erika]

75. Outer Darkness is the Mormom threat to instill fear in all

If you don't follow church doctrine, you will be cast out into "outer darkness" where it is dark and you are alone, to never hear or see anyone again.

A type of terrorism especially effective on the very young.

[FreeState]

77. Wrong there is only one way to go to ourter darkness

Wrong there is only one way to go to ourter darkness and that is to deny that Jesus is the Christ after having your calling and election made sure. You must hold the Priesthood for this to happen. IE women can not go to hell - all women got to one of three kingdoms of heaven - none are separated from God.

[Erika]

79. The denial of the Holy Ghost is the only way to Outer Darkness

But children are taught about Outer Darkness from a very early age.

[FreeState]

81. Women are called to heaven by their men? All women go to heaven

All women go to one of the kingdoms of heaven LDS or not. So how is it their husbands call them up? Please tell me how unmarried LDS women are called up when the LDS doctrine teaches no women can go to Outer Darkness

see: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/76/43#43

[Erika]

88. Show me your passages on how all women "go to heaven"

and none can go to outer darkness. Show me the "Holy Books" those passages come from.

Then, tell me that a man is not responsible for calling/or not calling his wife "up".

[FreeState]

90. Heres a list

Sons of Perdition (Note the use of Sons not daughters all male)

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/tg/s/227

John 17: 12 none of them is lost, but the son of perdition.
Philip. 1: 28 an evident token of perdition.
2 Thes. 2: 3 man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
1 Tim. 6: 9 which drown men in destruction and perdition.
Heb. 10: 39 not of them who draw back unto perdition.
2 Pet. 3: 7 day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Jude 1: 6 angels which kept not their first estate.
Rev. 12: 4 his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven.
Rev. 17: 8 out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition.
2 Ne. 2: 17 an angel of God . . . had fallen from heaven.
Mosiah 2: 39 final doom is to endure a never-ending torment.
Mosiah 16: 5 (Alma 11: 41) he is as though there was no redemption made.
3 Ne. 27: 32 led away captive by him, even as was the son of perdition.
3 Ne. 29: 7 he that doeth this shall become like unto the son of perdition.
D&C 76: 26 was called Perdition, for the heavens wept.
D&C 76: 32 They are they who are the sons of perdition.
D&C 76: 43 except those sons of perdition who deny the Son.
D&C 84: 41 (D&C 132: 27) shall not have forgiveness of sins in this world.
Moses 4: 3 because that Satan rebelled . . . I caused that he should be cast down.
Moses 5: 24 thou shalt be called Perdition.
Abr. 3: 28 second was angry, and kept not his first estate.
See also 2 Thes. 1: 9; 2 Ne. 2: 29; Jacob 6: 10; Jacob 7: 19; Moro. 8: 28.

[Erika]

93. Believe as you may.

I can only bear my testimony that the church is closest to the Muslims , concerning the role of women, as I have seen.

Bearing of testimony has a special meaning to the Mormons. Like testifying on a Bible.

[FreeState]

95. Im not a believing Mormon

I am agnostic, however I just had to call you on your in correct statement.

[Erika]

100. I made no incorrect statements. Been around too long.

[FreeState]

103. LOL

What ever. If I had known you had no idea you had no intentions of admitting you're wrong I would not have wasted my time. But Im sure anyone reading this can see that LOL. Night.

[Erika]

105. You're a returning missionary

but not a believing Mormon?

OK.

[JVS]

106. Actually, it is very hard to determine who is correct or incorrect in this discussion.

This is largely do to most readers having almost no familiarity with LDS doctrine.

[Erika]

108. And they should be thankful for that. n/t

[JVS]

94. The wikipedia articles says there is confusion on this issue

"Most church members now to associate the term "Outer Darkness" to Gnolaum or the place where Sons of Perdition will go in the afterlife. The confusion likely arose because Smith described the place where sons of perdition go as having "no light.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness

[FreeState]

96. But its still all male

"Sons of Perdition"

The no light reference is in reference to God the Father - he is a being of light (and all those other Biblical references to Light as God).

[Erika]

98. That's because the LDS never thought of women

as a soul in their own right. They still don't.

[FreeState]

101. Whatever N/T

[Erika]

97. The theory "outer darkness" was taught at the grade school

level. One graph was an individual soul circling the sun
on his own orbit, never to be joined by anyone.

Very effctive terrorism.

[JVS]

99. This usage of terrorism weakens the meaning of the word.

Not unlike the news article recently in which the Vatican calls statements against the church terrorism.

[Erika]

102. Believe me, when you tell a young child that he/she will

be cast out to outer darkness, that is terrorism. I have the nightmares to prove it.

[JVS]

104. How about calling it psychological abuse, or fear-mongering then?

Terrorism kind of already has a definitions of committing violent acts to kill many people in a very attention-grabbing manner.

[Erika]

107. I think the term "Mormonism" says it all

Never would I vote for a Mormon for president.

[JVS]

76. Oooh boy, LDS doctrinal challenge

:popcorn:

[Erika]

78. I doubt if it's too much of a challenge

The LDS Church is 100% male dominated. Unlike the Catholics, women can never obtain sainthood. Women are seen only as an extension of the man.

[REP]

92. Forgive My Impropiety But

Please do not compare Temple garments next!

I'm from RLDS country, and born near the Garden of Eden.

[Forkboy]

61. I still think he'll be the nominee

And as a Mass resident all I can say is;

I'm sorry. :scared:

[minkyboodle]

62. agreed

As far as the typical rethug candidate he has got it in
spades. One problem though, "magic underwear" :crazy: :crazy:
Minkyboodle
PS Any LDS person looking to yell at me for that phrase I defy
you to find a more accurate and succinct description of garments,
btw I was raised in an LDS convert family I'm like LDS kryptonite :)
Minkyboodle

[flaminbats]

65. I think Romney failed to make a lasting impression tonight..

Romney looked really bad when asked about his flip flop on abortion tonight. He had an excellent opportunity to outline the healthcare reforms he made as Governor, and to reach out to those Republicans who are just as mad at insurance companies as they are at the federal government. instead he avoided the question and implied that we have "the best healthcare system in the world!" :eyes:

Most importantly I was surprised that McCain came out in favor of federally funded embryonic stemcell research, but that Romney was too chicken to embrace any coherent position on that issue.

[JI7]

74. i find him to be totally creepy

[Bluebear]

82. Would you "have a beer with him"? That's what that side likes. nt

[dddem]

109. he doesn't drink.

[Bluebear]

110. Doesn't matter, it's the same question brain-dead Americans said yes to about bush Jr. nt

[dddem]

117. I realize that

But frankly, having lived with him as my governor, that's about all I could come up with.

[Wetzelbill]

119. no I wouldn't

so what are you calling me brain dead?

[LibDemAlways]

83. If it looks like Romney is gaining any significant traction with

the primary electorate, McCain and Ghouliani's goons will start publicizing some of the practices and tenets of Mormonism that fundies might not be familiar with.

Not passing judgement on Romney's religious beliefs, just that those beliefs are something the others can, and will, use to their own ends to persuade the wingnuts that Romney's not "one of them."

[WinkyDink]

84. Look out, varmints!

[cooolandrew]

113. Yep, they'll pick the far out guy could well be McCain in the end. Still Romney did generate big...

... donations. The ironic part is he does look like a young John Kerry which would be ironic if he won with how they bashed Kerry for his appearance.

[Blue-Jay]

116. He's many things, but "dumb" ain't one of 'em.

From Wiki: After attending Stanford University for two quarters, Romney served in France for 30 months as an LDS missionary. Upon returning from France he transferred to Brigham Young University, where he was valedictorian, earning his B.A. summa cum laude in 1971. In 1975, Romney graduated from a joint JD/MBA program coordinated between Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School, where he was named a Baker Scholar. He graduated cum laude from the law school and in the top 5 percent of his business school class.

He's on the wrong side of just about every issue, but he certainly ain't "dumb".

[in_cog_ni_to]

118. He struck me as extremely ignorant. As for his looks, his politics makes him repulsive to me.

He's an ugly, ugly man. He's trying to win this election on his looks and saving the Olympics...BFD! So he saved the Olympics! WHO CARES? I don't and I certainly don't see him as 'good looking.' He makes my skin crawl just like ALL repukes do.

The GOP doesn't have a chance in hell of winning the '08 election if this bunch is the best they have to offer.:eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

120. He may be the best looking one by default........cause the rest of the pack is soooo sorry!

which is not a good way of becoming the nominee, IMO.

So sad that looks really is one of the main ways that even we here judge.

Gov. Gilmore made a much better showing, in a Republican sense, than all of the rest of them, but he doesn't look presidential, is what they will say.

Television politics suck big time! :(