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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:31 AM Original message |
Why don't us Dems have our own version of Frank Luntz? |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. Dems don't need a luntz; Dems have ideas they're trying to implement, |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. But if we implement something and don't get credit for it ... |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Frank's messaging has lost them both sides of the House. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I am not suggesting we spread lies like the GOP |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. A luntz won't fix what ails Dems; maybe a less complicit media would. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
15. Wrong. Democrats have always had the best ideas and the facts on their side |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Wrong. luntz is there solely to cover rethugs' asses without offering |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. We need messaging that is effective |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:20 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. We primarily need a media that covers what's happening instead of |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
4. because i would rather duck all of the marketing strategy and actually get ideas |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. I have just designed the best product in it's category |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. politics and government isnt a product though...and again, we won last time |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. We won the elections but we are having too much trouble getting support for our ideas out in the |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. It's also about knowing how to sell the message in a way that appeals to feelings |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I agree |
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90-percent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
6. Dems |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
8. ...or conferences where we get some free air time while we discuss our ideas |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
9. Luntz is nothing without the worthless media blaring his talking points 24X7 |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. yup! its 'media' vs. 'government' 75-85% of the time...its an easy job |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
12. If our messaging worked, there would not be polls which indicate |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
13. Because the ruling political elites don't want the democrats to be on the same footing as the GOP. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
14. A Frank Luntz is useless without corporate media to promote him. n/t |
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scubadude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
19. Gee, I didn't get a refund this year and I was unemployed for most of it.... |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Kind of hard to compare when your income has changed as you indicated |
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scubadude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. That is true Don, but that is a lot of work. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
23. Beats me. nt |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
26. Because our intent is not to lie and deceive the public? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
28. We already HAVE one - his name is George Lakoff |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
29. We need an obfuscator? |
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