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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 08:54 AM
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An unexpected brush with the TeaBagger mindset
Edited on Sat Apr-17-10 08:59 AM by Orrex
This week I wrapped up my very brief stint of employment as an enumerator for the US Census. This round of the census involved the cataloging of "group quarters," such as shelters, jails, rest homes, and the like; door-to-door enumeration should commence in a week or two. Many of our assignments involved the census team meeting in a room at a group facility and filling out dozens or hundreds of census forms from printed rosters of the facility's residents.

There wasn't a whole lot of work, to be honest, though I suspect that this is different in other parts of the country. However, I noticed several things that disturbed and amazed me.

1. The average age of the 20 workers in my group was somewhere over 60. I'm 38, and I was the second youngest of the entire team. This was kind of cool, in a way, because I'd never worked with such an age-skewed demographic. However, nearly all were male, and all were white. Two non-white people were in the training class but left before the actual work started.

2. Several of my census colleagues were openly and unabashedly racist. On the day that we enumerated a local soup kitchen, one of my colleagues broke the ice with a trio of "negro jokes." What annoyed me wasn't simply that was racist; it was his clear assumption that everyone else is equally racist (which, I admit, wasn't too far off the mark, given the response by the other workers).

In addition to the ambient current of racism, I noticed that most of my colleagues were conspicuously preoccupied with race in general. "I bought a pack of cigarettes, and the cashier--she was Puerto Rican--shortchanged me," or "that Oriental bus driver took a different route, so I got home ten minutes later," or "Sue and her husband--he's black--bought a new air conditioner." They go out of their way to mention race even when there's no clear reason to do so; they described nothing else about these people but found it necessary to observe that he or she wasn't white.

Every time a "non-white-sounding" name would appear on our reports, one of the bigots would laugh derisively and point it out to the rest of us. "Latoya Washington," he guffawed to us. "What do you think?"

3. The workers proclaimed an almost unanimous distaste for government bureaucracy, despite being more than happy to take a paycheck from that bureaucracy. Literally every single day that we worked, they mocked government "inefficiency and waste," with one of the aforementioned bigots actually scoffing "and they want to run healthcare? No thanks!"

When I pointed out that the government does not, in fact, want to run healthcare, he cited the old wisdom about a camel's nose getting in under the tent. "And you know that Abdul can't be far behind," he observed sagely.

I also pointed out that every corporate job that I've ever worked was at least as inefficient and wasteful as the government, but this was dismissed.

4. The workers expressed an absolute disdain for college students. I heard complaints about how easy "these kids" have it, and how they don't know anything about the world, etc. One of our assignments was the enumeration of a local college, and we're going over the questionnaires completed by the students. Every time a minor error would pop up, such as a transposition of first and last name, my esteemed colleagues would laugh at this proof that college students have no common sense.


All in all I was fairly disgusted. I admit that I didn't confront any of them about it, mostly because there seemed to be no point. The job was only slated to last a month at most, and these septuagenarians aren't going to abandon years of bigotry just because some young Liberal tells them to. Besides, even if I'd submitted a complaint, it would have done nothing except (maybe) shortened their employment from four weeks to three, and it seemed likely to guarantee that I wouldn't be invited back for the next round of census work.

Through all of this, I couldn't help noting that my colleagues seemed to have been cast from the same mold as the TeaBaggers that we're seeing in the news 24/7 lately: white, over 50, and happy to take government assistance while castigating others who do so. None of them actually self-identified as a TeaBagger, but the similarity was quite striking.


Also, I should disclaim that my experience likely doesn't represent a standard attitude among census workers generally, and certainly not the standard among the 65-and-up demographic nationwide. However, I live in a fairly conservative county, and (sadly) this does indeed seem to be the local standard.

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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:07 AM
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1. K&R
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:10 AM
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2. I've always said we need to learn from our old people.
Because if we don't learn, the cycle will repeat.

Thanks for the story.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:19 AM
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3. I'm of that generation and I have found
that, if brought to their attention, they shut up quickly. In fact, I get the feeling that they welcome the chance to think about the status quo from their silence. I'm doing it more and more. I now wear an Obama tee shirt to gun shows, gun stores and wear them in small rural towns. More people seem to go out of their way to be nice to me than want to start a fight.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:29 AM
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5. I wonder if that would be their reaction if you were female...
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:46 AM
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8. That is very true.
I'm 6'4" and 245 lbs. You are welcome to go with me.

I getting the feeling that lots of those FOX news watchers are starting to question the status quo. But then, I always see the class as half full. When I am confronted, I like to bring up all the earlier predictions that have failed to happen, like new stricter gun laws as well as "painting the White House black", higher taxes and all of the other countries attacking us because we are now weak. The trick is to do it with a smile.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:56 AM
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10. Good for you!
You are taking the right approach. Believe me, I would go with you if I were there...

You cannot help your sex or size. But there's nothing wrong with putting your positive attributes to work for you, and of course this includes using the smile!

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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:04 AM
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12. Muhammad Ali
once said something like, no man scares him, but a little girl can bring fear to his heart.;-)
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:33 AM
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14. An interesting thought, but I'm afraid that I'm not quite convinced.
When I've had that conversation the past, the farthest I've ever gotten is an "everyone's entitled to their own opinion" sort of response. They might "shut up quickly," as you note, but in my experience it just means that they've stopped talking about it for the moment. I'm pretty sure that nothing has changed in their underlying mindset. At least, not as a result of anything I've said to them.

You note that you're of that generation: do you see people changing their views when approached by someone not of that generation? I hope that would be the case, but I have yet to see it, alas.


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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:27 AM
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4. Sounds similar
to my parents actually. I wish you had asked them to keep their derogatory comments to themselves. They would have pouted for a while, and denied their bigotry but it may have made for a better working environment.

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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:40 AM
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6. I couldn't have kept my mouth closed
nt
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:43 AM
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7. They remind me of people who won't eat certain colors of M&Ms
they're fucking M&M's. they all taste the same.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:53 AM
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9. I remember when the blue ones came out. They tasted so much better!
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:02 AM
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11. When I was your age I heard this shit all the time
I had hoped that it was a thing of the past. You're describing it exactly the way it is, even to the assumption that because you're white then you must agree with them. I'm 61 so you're talking about people who are my age, and those are the same people who said such things 30 years ago when I was younger.

Now I work in UC Berkeley where such things simply don't happen. I'm sure there are bigots there but they're outnumbered and silent if they are.

So don't feel bad for not speaking up. It's a total waste of time. I know. If you did speak up they would pile up against you just the way their counterparts are doing in public right now. They've found their 'voice' with Sarah Palin and they're very happy to use it.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:58 AM
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24. I am 68 and you are correct. I also think a lot of this resurfacing of
open bigotry is because they are afraid - the world is changing and the cultural war idiots have convinced them that they are in danger. I am glad this worker was there because I want to know that the work was done correctly.

What really makes me sad is to see Pennsylvania has forgotten her beautiful past - underground railroad, Quakers, etc. It is all dying out - unless they get their feet back on the ground and quit running scared.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:13 AM
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13. Not making excuses or anything
because your coworkers were indeed totally racist, but I hear the same thing from my older relatives (60s, 70s, 80s), and I can tell you they honestly don't think they're saying anything wrong. I can't tell you how many times I have been forced to hear an older relative say "You know, Gwen, that nice black girl..." when there is NO NEED to point out her skin color. I have been calling them on this shit for years, and they are repeatedly taken aback--look of profound shock and confusion and "What? What'd I say?" :eyes:

Yeah, it's a cultural thing. But that's no reason to keep letting them get away with it. Time marches on.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:40 AM
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15. I don't think you're making excuses--I think you've described it correctly
Again, the only reason that I didn't speak up was because I'm certain that it would have accomplished nothing.

For that matter, where would I even start? With their racism? With their hypocritical derision of the government bureaucracy that pays them? With their mocking of college students with all their book learnin'?


Too many targets in too little time, alas, and in any case I was on the clock.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 11:28 AM
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25. True--old dogs/new tricks and all that
I also like to have fun with them. Example:

Me (thinking of an AA woman my aunt knows): "Now...who was that lady at your retiree luncheon...what was her name..."

Aunt: "Which one?"

Me: "The one wearing the red blouse."

Aunt: "I'm not sure..."

Me: "Sure you do--she's tall..."

Aunt: "I don't know..."

Me: "She was really nice..."

Aunt: "Hmm..."

Me: "We were talking to her about her daughter, the doctor--?"

Aunt: "Oh! GWEN, THAT NICE BLACK GIRL!"

:banghead:

That'll get ya a twofer in my relatives' circle--referencing a person by their color and calling a 75-year-old woman a "girl".
:rofl:
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:42 AM
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16. Ugh - Disheartening - Disdain For Fellow American's
You'd think they'd be above this sort of work.
I'm shocked they would even apply - teabaggers applying for Census jobs - who'da thunk?
Hypocrites
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:52 AM
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20. In my original post I should also have mentioned...
that they expressed a clear annoyance at people who receive governmental assistance as well as the patrons of the soup kitchen that we were working at the time.

That was probably what bothered me the most in real-time. We were enumerating a facility that provides food to people who are living in difficult circumstances, and my compassionate colleagues could barely restrain their contempt, as if they themselves were impervious to unfortunate circumstance.

The host of the site graciously invited us to eat lunch with them in their dining area, and every single one of my coworkers scoffed at the offer, and I do mean scoffed, as though they couldn't possibly eat in such a place.

Nice going, assholes. You made yourself and everyone in the census look like a stuck-up jerk, and it's not as though census-takers don't get a lot of shit in Rightwing screeds already. So naturally I accepted the invitation, and one of my coworkers (the one who was younger than I am) followed suit.

Turns out that the people in the dining area seemed genuinely happy to have us there, and they were friendly and welcoming. Not at all like the drug-addled welfare whores that my compassionate colleagues envisioned them to be.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 11:38 AM
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26. Do They Consider Themselves Christians
like so many conservatives do, yet don't practice what the Bible says.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:43 AM
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17. hell on earth, to be surrounded by people like that.
I would do myself in if I had to hear these disgusting and vile pigs every day.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:57 AM
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23. Thankfully, the work is sporadic
And the assignments don't last very long--a few hours at most. Plenty of time to cleanse my brain between exposures.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:25 PM
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27. I meant to have to be in their family or in their workplaces.
That was an excellent post Orrex. Just proves that racism and stupidity are alive and well. But the deniers will still deny, even here fercrisakes.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:43 AM
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18. I bet they show disdain for people who are out of work too, don't they?
Even though until recently they were probably out of work themselves.

Am I right?

Don
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:54 AM
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21. It didn't come up, actually.
But you're definitely right that they weren't working full-time jobs prior to signing on with the census. Most are retired and now facing the economic reality of post-Bush America.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:46 AM
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19. I thought teabaggers were against the Census.
Why would these guys take socialist jobs?
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:56 AM
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22. They're against the census prying into *their own* private information, of course!
And they hate other people taking socialist jobs.


It must be hard work being a TeaBagger. I don't think that I could endure all of the cognitive dissonance!
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:59 PM
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28. rush limbaugh has spent the last 20 years or so convincing people that being poor
is a virtue if you are white but a reflection of your intelligence,etc, if you are any other color. I heard one caller in 1992 complain that he was one of those people who would be taxed if Clinton got to 'tax the rich'. He was out of work, formerly earning 13 thou a year, and the family of four was living on his wife's 10 thou a year salary. Yet he was convinced, by limbaugh, that Clinton was out to take away his 'riches'.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 01:55 PM
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29. These guys would not have lasted a day at our Census office
One racist comment, you might get a warning. Two and your termed.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 03:32 PM
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31. They were careful not to say such things within earshot of the crew leader
And I should state that the coordinator is a good guy who never made any comments like those I've described here.

But if I'd gone to him and said "Bob just made a racist joke," I don't know what he could have done, since it would be my word against Bob's (and nearly everyone else's, possibly).
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 05:23 PM
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32. Ditto my office n/t
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 02:01 PM
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30. Douchebaggery transcends time and space, it's inevitable.
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