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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:15 PM
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The boot camp guards and nurse who killed Martin Lee Anderson will have to live with their actions.
There will be no federal prosecution. But they will have to live with themselves and know what they did to a 14 year old boy on his first day in boot camp.

The justice department today said there was not enough proof to convict them. That is ridiculous. The video of the beating was all over the internet and the news. Tonight a local news channel showed parts of the video even as they said there was no proof.

Feds clear guards linked to 2006 death of 14-year-old who was kicked, hit

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - Federal officials will not pursue civil rights violations or other charges against the boot camp employees implicated in the videotaped death of a 14-year-old who was hit and kicked by guards while a nurse looked on, the Justice Department said Friday. Despite a lengthy investigation, prosecutors could not establish that the seven guards and the nurse willfully deprived Martin Lee Anderson of his civil rights, the department said, and the probe has been closed.

.."A state court jury acquitted the guards and nurse of manslaughter on Oct. 12, 2007. Federal authorities then began investigating whether the boy’s civil rights were violated.

The Justice Department said in a news release that investigators did not have enough evidence to pursue criminal charges. Prosecutors would have had to prove that the boot camp employees’ intent was willful — the highest standard imposed by the law, the release said.

The video showed the seven men punching Anderson and using knee strikes against him. It also showed them pushing ammonia capsules into his nose and dragging his limp body around the camp’s yard. The nurse did not appear to intervene during the incident.


I hope they remember each night what they did.



Former Bay County Boot Camp guard Raymond Hauck consoles former camp nurse Kristin Schmidt after Schmidt testified Tuesday during the fifth day of the trial of eight former boot camp employees accused in the 2006 death of inmate Martin Lee Anderson.

Their tears do not move me at all.

Martin Lee Anderson died within hours after being admitted to boot camp.

A travesty of justice in Bay County, Florida.

At 6:30 in the morning on June 5, 2006, Martin Lee Anderson is admitted to boot camp.

At 9:06 am the use of force begins.

At 9:45 am the paramedics take Martin Lee Anderson

At 1:00 pm he was transported by air to Pensacola to the hospital where he died the next day.

The guards who beat him were just acquitted as was the nurse who stood by.


They were using what they called "pain-compliance techniques" against Martin Lee Anderson

Garrett, a sergeant at the camp, was around Anderson through most of his interaction with the guards. He said he was confused by the mixed signals coming from Anderson.

“He’s answering questions, and then he lets his body go limp. His ability to talk and his ability to breathe was one sign,” Garrett said. “Letting his body drop was giving me another sign.”


They could not tolerate him letting his body go limp. So he had to be beaten.

Garrett, 30, of Lynn Haven, said Anderson was talking throughout most of the interaction — saying that he was tired and wouldn’t finish a required physical assessment run. Garrett said Anderson got angry a few times and would tense up. That’s when the guards would throw him to the ground or use pain-compliance techniques, such as pressure points.


He tensed his body, so they had to keep on hurting him?

Such an odd thing, though. An article said both sides wore crosses around their necks.

"Folks on both sides wore crosses around their necks..God was on their side"

Folks on both sides wore crosses around their necks - God was on their side, maybe, or they just needed him to get through this.

How small a town is Panama City? Just across the street from the courthouse where the guards and nurse are being tried sits the camp. Shut down like the rest in Florida after the video made national news, it sits abandoned, razor-wire gates rusty.

Tired of scenes of a boy collapsing and dragged upright again, I left and drove to where Martin lived. It is literally on the other side of the tracks, a scrubby street of ramshackle houses.

A few blocks over is the cemetery, the grass too high, fence sagging. He is there, flanked by stone angels, not a hero, not a monster, just gone.

What will the jury call what happened to Martin Lee Anderson? Sad comes to mind. And sorry. And wrong.


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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:16 PM
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1. k&r with sadness.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:29 AM
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16. It is sad. No one held accountable.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:19 PM
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2. You think they're losing sleep over
killing a young Afro-American. That's because you have feelings and a conscience. They don';t give a flying fuck. They'd do it again.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 03:11 AM
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20. You are correct...
sadly. The types of people who would do that to a child are the types of people who have no conscience. :(
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lgartzma Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:13 PM
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38. Boot Camp
1. Obviously race played a role as did economics. Would this have happened if the boy were white, maybe; it has in the past. Would this have happened if the boy were the son of a local official who was black? Not as likely because of publicity. Would this have happened to the son of a white politician? No.

2. From her appearance, the nurse seems to be about my age. Given my experiences in the south (as a white person)I would guess that race had a lot to do with the suspension of belief about what was happening to the boy. As a teacher who deals regularly with students whose parents send them to boot camps, I can imagine the feelings of the people committing these acts. These guards and medical professionals apparently do not have the sophistication to deal with their own feelings and lack training in self-control. Sometimes you just have to let some children make their own mistakes or have them arrested. Beating the strong-willed to death is not an option.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:20 PM
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3. unfuckingbelievable.
More than sad.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:22 PM
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4. They killed a 14 year old boy who was defenseless.
It's a simple truth in this country. If you are killed while in custody of the police, jail or prison authorities, your killers will likely go free.
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n.michigan Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 08:00 AM
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26. Govt immunity- a terrible growing privilege to shield crimes. Do away with it.
Question the defense.

If you are using "pain compliance technique" then you have a defense - and cannot be prosecuted for willful intent?

Who trained the guards, Blackwater?

So sorry for this young boy at the hands of these subhumans.
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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 11:05 AM
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36. I'll add something
your killers will go free- if you are black.

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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:24 PM
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5. they murdered a 14 year old, there is video and "not enough evidence to convict"?!?
This is sickening.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:34 PM
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6. I don't understand it at all. :^( Poor, poor kid. First death and now no justice.
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 01:47 AM
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19. You aren't alone, I don't understand it, either.
How anyone could watch that video and conclude that the poor child was not murdered is beyond comprehension.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 08:48 PM
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7. Drill Sargents...
What comes to mind when I think of them....
:puke::mad:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 05:59 PM
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45. The goal of FL boot camps was to staff them with that way...
with zero tolerance drill sergeants.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 09:25 PM
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8. K & R
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 10:10 PM
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9. Hell was created for these people. Not just the perpetrators but the absolvers as well.
If video evidence isn't enough, what is?
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 11:06 PM
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14. Amen, Glitch K&R
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:40 AM
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33. There is no hell. There has to be a "hell" created for these kind of...........
...............miscreants by concerned citizens. Call it what you want, but I think the kid would call it justice. The rich or well connected or "law enforcement" types seem to get away literally with murder, while the common people go to jail for DUI's, marijuana possession etc. Real fucking American justice.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 10:25 PM
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10. These "boot camps" should be closed. Every single one of them.
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 10:26 PM by Odin2005
These assholes make "Holes" look like a documentary.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 10:31 PM
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11. K&R
If they have a soul, it'll be tortured. If not, let their own community judge them.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 10:48 PM
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12. Shoving AMMONIA tablets into his mouth??
This, they say is not criminal.

These men put real men to shame. I hope they go to jail and the state of Florida has to pay that family millions of dollars.

Money talks with these Fu**ing courts and stupid private companies employed by the state.

What makes me so burned is that my Mom was a nurse and a school counselor at a private school.

That so-called "nurse" is almost so much more disgusting, because women are the child bearers, mothers.

My Mom would have, even in her 60's when she retired, would have yelled her head off at those men and even maybe kicked

those "guards" in the nuts.

Where do these racist pieces of human garbage come from?
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 10:48 PM
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13. K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:10 AM
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34. Actually they shoved ammonia tablets into his nose....it is an outrage.
They are getting away with killing a 14 yr old.

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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 11:08 PM
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15. Republican Utopia
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 01:03 AM
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17. Martin's mother said the guards laughed during the trial.
Martin Lee Anderson's mom said the guards and lawyers laughed and joked during the trial.

Gina Jones, Mother
“It seems like to me if you look at everything like I was paying attention to it, it was like for the whole three weeks it was a joke to the lawyers and to the defendants. That's the way I felt. They were laughing and joking around because they already knew they were going to walk off and that's what happened.”
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 01:32 AM
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18. High School Guantanamo.
There is no justice.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 03:20 AM
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21. I remember watching that video years ago.
(Here on DU, in fact.) I am a little surprised that the people responsible for his death were acquitted of any crime.
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 06:14 AM
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22. Bay County is a crossroads of knuckle dragging, redneck racists
The biggest industry in Bay County is selling liquor to under age teenagers during spring break. Just ask Matt James. Oh wait, you can't. Matt James got drunk and fell off a five story balcony.

The racist rednecks in the Florida Panhandle couldn't care less about Martin Lee Anderson. He was just a black kid with no money who wasn't welcome in the Condos down on the beach.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 06:22 AM
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23. Maybe they will have to live with their actions, but Martin Lee Anderson died by their actions.
Justice was not done, here.
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 08:15 AM
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27. That's how I see it.
As awful as it sounds, I think the mother might need to take matters in hand.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 06:49 AM
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24. This if fucking unacceptable. These "people" should be harrassed............
...........at the very least for what they did. Way back in 1963 in Illinois I was incarcerated in a juvenile "prison" for 3 months for the awful crime of running away from home (yes, that's all I did) and didn't have to deal or see this kind of shit. Now it wasn't an amusement park and we didn't receive steak or pork chops for dinner, but it also wasn't what you read about almost daily these days about "juvenile detention centers". Fucking disgusting, and these people should be beaten half to death. Looks like Florida is trying to take the top spot away from Texas, and everyone knows what I mean by that sentence.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 07:22 AM
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25. My, what a pottymouth you are.
You should take your own advice honey...

But I guess it's OK if YOU do it...
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:21 PM
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39. I really am sorry I didn't get a chance to see the reply to your..............
............"statement?", but let me say this; I probably would have agreed with it. I don't really know what you are trying to say, are you high? Or, maybe you were up late drinking and instead of going to bed got a hold of your keyboard and started typing crazy shit that made no sense. That's ok though, as we have all been "there" at least once in our lives. Anyway, have a nice day and oh yeah, I hope you have a good health insurance plan that includes mental health access. Oh, by the way, LOVE your screen name, honey.
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Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 08:33 AM
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29. So sad but
I have found that people are able to live with their Evil Actions or their intent on covering up Evil Actions.


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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:25 AM
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31. It isn't them living with their actions, it's they don't give a shit............
..............It's that simple, they don't give a fuck. They're mean, vicious and they can usually get away with it because the kids are either intimidated or just scared shitless. I see this shit and I will get violent, you can bet on it.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 06:32 PM
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47. LE and company needs to be kicked off it's pedestal onto
the hard ground.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:27 AM
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32. I doubt they will have trouble sleeping.
They are probably feeling justified in what they did.

It's such a tragedy.
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 08:37 AM
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30. And this is another reason
why I don't have kids.

Unbelievable.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:15 AM
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35. What the hell?
I have no words. They murdered that kid and made up shit about it later.
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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 11:07 AM
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37. Hopefully a civil suit will follow
and the parents or mom can sue these fuckers out of existence.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 02:58 PM
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42. In this case I think there should be a civil suit.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 12:31 PM
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40. What the hell were they doing? I see a video of a limp body
and a lot of big guys standing around the body. Did they want to kill him? I didn't see any beating in the video, but the fact the nurse walks away after they move the body around has me wondering just what happen.

14 years old, way too young to die and WHY did he die? WHY?

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 03:31 PM
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43. There was beating in the video I watched so often.
Maybe they edited some of it out.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 01:58 PM
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41. He was only at boot camp 3 hours before paramedics took him.
They did not even know the kid they killed. 7 big guards and a nurse. Cowards.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 03:32 PM
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44. I say we abolish the prison system.
After all, everyone who commits a crime has to live with himself, and that is surely punishment enough.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 06:10 PM
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46. I hope they get what's coming to them.
There, I said it.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 08:11 PM
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48. The 14 year-old
was Black, right? And the guards and nurse were white?

More Devolution. How does this happen? I rarely see Justice anymore.
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RayStar Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 04:35 AM
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51. Guards
There were two black guards if I recall correctly. I watched the trial and was so upset with the verdict of not guilty. I truly wanted the nurse to have her license revoked. The camp is closed.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 12:34 PM
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52. I was unaware of this
trial and murder.

How can this happen? I strongly believe that the W Administration unleashed a culture of 'There are NO Laws.' No one has to pay for their actions. Remember that he never admitted a mistake. The leaders set the stage for the people to follow in their example.

We're becoming a nation of sociopaths.

The Obama Admin is doing nothing to rectify the crimes of the previous administration....setting another horrid example.

It's sickening.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:20 PM
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49. Iprobably missed the time to rec. K&R
K&R
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 03:10 AM
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50. "Their tears do not move me at all."
Edited on Sun Apr-18-10 03:10 AM by Shining Jack
Me neither,crocodile tears.Not enough evidence? :banghead:
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 12:50 PM
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53. The guards and nurse really failed the teenager-I puzzles me that manslaughter couldn't be sustained


Perhaps a civil suit will bring a measure of justice.



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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 07:27 PM
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54. The law of the land may have let Martin down. But the Law of Cause and Effect is strict.
They will indeed suffer for what they did.
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