Karl Rove Is An Athiest ---->>>

[Stephanie]

As per Christopher Hitchens.

http://nymag.com/arts/books/features/31244/

Are You There, God? It's Me, Hitchens.
Christopher Hitchens on religion (no thanks), Iraq (not a mistake), and his own loud reputation.
By Boris Kachka

<excerpt>

Do you think an avowed atheist would ever get elected in the U.S.?

Yes. I do not believe any of the statistical claims that are made about public opinion. I don’t see why anybody does.

Has anyone in the Bush administration confided in you about being an atheist?

Well, I don’t talk that much to them—maybe people think I do. I know something which is known to few but is not a secret. Karl Rove is not a believer, and he doesn’t shout it from the rooftops, but when asked, he answers quite honestly. I think the way he puts it is, “I’m not fortunate enough to be a person of faith.”

What must Bush make of that?

I think it’s false to say that the president acts as if he believes he has God’s instructions. Compared to Jimmy Carter, he’s nowhere. He’s a Methodist, having joined his wife’s church in the end. He also claims that Jesus got him off the demon drink. He doesn’t believe it. His wife said, “If you don’t stop, I’m leaving and I’m taking the kids.” You can say that you got help from Jesus if you want, but that’s just a polite way of putting it in Texas.

*edited due to inadvertent offense

[RedStateShame]

1. Wait. Being "godless" isn't the same as being "atheist," is it?

[Stephanie]

19. Well it's a direct answer to a direct question so I assume that's what he meant.

He doesn't call him "godless" either - he says "not a believer" - but he was asked about athiests so I assume he's just couching it gently.

[waiting for hope]

2. Yes - this explains sooo much.

Yet another example of WH Administration Hypocrisy.

[Orrex]

3. Hey!

If there's one entity in all of Creation who's certain to believe in God, it's the devil.

So atheism makes one no closer to devilhood than anything else.

[Pale Blue Dot]

4. Please don't paint atheists with the "devil" brush.

Being an atheist does not necessarily make one amoral.

[slowry]

9. Exactly. Lacking a belief in the supernatural says nothing about one's morals. n/t

[The Count]

5. yeah, cuz us. "athiests" only pretend to not believe in supernatural beings.Busted!

:sarcasm:
In reality we are a bunch of Rovian devil worshipers. Paula Zahn was right.

[Cleita]

6. I never knew an atheist that didn't have moral principles and ethics.

I think Karl Rove clearly worships Satan.

[Stephanie]

13. there you go - thanks

that's what I should have said

[Gelliebeans]

53. Thanks for saying so

Cleita! I will add that I think Karl worships the greed above all else.

[More Than A Feeling]

7. I know that was just an off-hand comment, but please think about what you just said.

[no_hypocrisy]

8. You could be walking with Satan and still be "godless".

As an atheist, I don't want him in our club.

[trotsky]

10. Please edit out your "devil" comment.

That is disrespectful toward the many of us Democratic atheists.

[Stephanie]

17. done

:hi:

[ellacott]

11. He's agnostic

I think it was reported by the authors of Bush's Brain.

[YOY]

39. We don't want him either!

n/t

[Bucky]

49. Germans don't want Hitler; that doesn't make him French

[Marr]

51. He certainly is.

This "genious" doesn't seem to know shit beyond dirty political tricks.

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[Swamp Rat]

14. Karl Rove is an Alien

[Supersedeas]

15. But, he sure as hell can use religion as a wedge issue to divide Americans

[bdamomma]

18. and apparently they let people believe that bush is so pious.

which rallies up *'s base.

[bdamomma]

16. he only believes in himself

:puke:

what a weird response from Rove, not fortunate enough to believe??? to evil to believe.

I am not referring my response to present company.

[judaspriestess]

20. no, he's a satanist

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[tanyev]

21. And yet, he attends the same church as Joe Wilson--

WILSON: That's exactly right. It is really compromising her identity. But, calling her Wilson's wife or calling her Valerie Plame or calling her Valerie Wilson. When you associate the name or the identity with CIA, you have blown her cover.

Now, I'm prepared to think the worst of Karl Rove ever since he told Chris Matthews that my wife was fair game. And that's tough for me because Karl and I go to the same church. We go to different services, we go to the same church. I know his wife's name because we get a church newsletter. So, why he wouldn't know my wife's name, perhaps he doesn't read the newsletter.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0511/01/lkl.01.html

[progressoid]

37. Well, If I had to choose between Wilson and Hitchens....

I'd choose Wilson.

But it's possible KKKarl attends church even though he doesn't believe. HE might attend simply to please his wife or for political reasons.

[tanyev]

57. Exactly.

The man doesn't draw a breath of air without first considering how he can exploit the oxygen for political gain. Very easy to believe he would maintain a church membership solely for networking, public show of piety, maintain a familiarity with Christian lingo and trends, etc.

[Karenina]

22. Nah... He's a LEO STRAUSSIST

An ENTIRELY different kind of pig.

[Stephanie]

23. Is he really though? He's not educated enough.

The Straussians are the Univ. of Chicago crew - Wolfie, Perle, Chalabi. Rove never finished college in TX.

[Karenina]

24. Osmosis.

[mondo joe]

44. I think he's just a sociopath - which isn't very different from a Straussian. NT

[Jack Rabbit]

25. Rove isn't an atheist

There is no god but Bush and Rove is his prophet.

[originalpckelly]

26. Actually, I *believe* he's an agnostic.

He certainly doesn't believe any of this fundie bullshit. I've always thought that to be the most ironic thing in the world.

[deutsey]

27. Rove is a fascist

So he's a believer in that sense, I guess...:eyes:

"Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, at least it's an ethos." The Big Lebowski

[Zhade]

28. But he's also an evil fuck. I think that's the important part.

And of course, his atheism is not the cause of his evil.

[Bucky]

50. Thank you.

[H2O Man]

29. Ha!!!!! n/t

[WiseButAngrySara]

30. Excuse me, but neither is B* "a person of faith" nor was Straus,

the Godfather of the Neocons, although both profess(ed) it publically. Rove's dummie B* is just putting on the Rovian/Machiavellian show of faith. Any Christian or God believing person would know that B* is no Christian. I don't know why there continues to be any doubt about this awful and destructive myth.

[trotsky]

31. Ah yes, the old "true Christians are good people" canard.

Never gets old.

[mondo joe]

32. I don't know about Rove, but Bush is certainly a Christian.

You may disagree with him, you may not feel he is a good Christian, but he is certainly a Christian.

[earth mom]

34. No he is not! eom

[mondo joe]

38. As far as I know he worships Jesus - that makes him a Christian.

Even if you disagree with him about what that means.

[earth mom]

33. Rove gives atheists a bad name.

:puke:

[liberalEd]

35. He's not a real Atheist

Hey, if Christians can play that game, why not?

“I’m not fortunate enough to be a person of faith.”

Real atheists I know aren't disappointed about their lack of faith.

[riverdale]

43. To paraphrase the person from a few posts up

Any atheist or non-god believing person would know that Rove is no atheist.

[firefox_fan]

36. Religion is used as a tool to manipulate the masses.

I doubt most leaders who use it as a tool of mind control believe in its content. Even the Pope.

[Pacifist Patriot]

40. That lot are all believers....

believers in the almighty profit margin and in their own greedy selves. Narcissists all!

[BuyingThyme]

41. Is there a word for people who don't believe in a god, but

depend on the belief in god for their very existence?

That's what most Pukes are.

[Critters2]

42. Rove is an Episcopalian. I have no idea what he actually believes

but he's a member of the Episcopal Church. Which mostly just makes him a hypocrite.

[Bluestar]

45. There are no atheists in foxholes

Or in congressional hotseats either! Evil Karl will find that he needs some type of faith to get him through the next two years.

[trotsky]

52. "No atheists in foxholes"???

Au contraire:

http://www.atheistfoxholes.org/about.php

There's quite a few.

[Lerkfish]

46. How insulting to many atheists.

[ripple]

47. Karl Rove is an asshole

His religion or lack thereof is irrelevant.

[grace0418]

48. I call BULLSHIT. Rove has never answered anything "quite honestly" in his life.

"...but when asked, he answers quite honestly..." Yeah right.

You'd think as the spawn of Satan himself he'd at least believe in God. Even if he pretty much goes out of way to be the opposite of good, truthful, etc.

[Skittles]

54. So? bush is a f***ing Christian

what's the point here?

[Gin]

55. Oh.. he is a believer alright...he believes in personal destruction...

That belief will come full circle and meet him head on.

I just hope it's soon, and I get to see it.

[and-justice-for-all]

56. Interesting, fat bastard a nonbeliever.

..Bush does call himself a Christian and makes claims that he is on a mission from god.

[Bluerthanblue]

58. * also calls himself a 'uniter', 'cowboy', 'someone who has "been to war"....

..."compassionate", 'plain-spoken', 'patient', 'willing to listen', 'just plain 'folk', 'a person who cares about the oppressed'... this is getting nauseating- you get the point- I don't hold much confidence in *'s claim to be anything- except a human being.

Anyone can 'claim' they are anything- that doesn't make it so- I would never judge my brothers and sisters who declare themselves Atheists- by the measure of mr.Rove.

- He is a very ruthless, cold, calculating man, who has access to too much power. His claim of Atheism is not the 'cause' of his repugnant actions, and beliefs- anymore than his receding hairline is.

peace,
blu