"ARE MEN NECESSARY?" - a book by Maureen Dowd

[ConcernedCanuk]

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I was gonna post in the books forum - but where?

fiction? - non-fiction?

or maybe in the Womens forum

GBLT ?

I think ALL these groups/forums would like this book

I'm only on page 30

and it is an intriguing writing already



"Are men afraid of smart, successful women? Why did feminism fizzle? Why are so many of today's women freezing their faces and emotions in an orgy of plasticity? Is "having it all" just a cruel hoax?

In this witty and wide-ranging book, Maureen Dowd looks at the state of the sexual union, raising bold questions and examining everything from economics and politics to pop culture and the "why?" of the Y chromosome. These new writings will delight her devoted readers-and anyone trying to sort out the chaos that occurs when sexes collide."

http://books.google.ca/books?id=MIrrOVXN4HYC&q=are+men+necessary&dq=are+men+necessary&cd=1

[MineralMan]

1. Well, without them, there'd be no women at all.

And vice versa.

Looks like both sexes are necessary.

[malaise]

39. +1,000

There are some wonderful men on this planet.

[WCGreen]

47. Speaking for all men...

We just want to be loved....

[malaise]

48. Not sure you can speak for all men

but you can speak for hubby. :D
I had lovely grandfathers, a great dad and my brother and I have always been great friends.

[BoneDaddy]

124. Stop kissing up to people who could care less about your gender

there is a contingent of women, who for various reasons, hate men, get used to it and don't take it.

[Scout]

125. not men, just YOU n/t

[BoneDaddy]

130. Scout, based upon your illogicities of the past

your opinion means nothing to me.

[Scout]

136. hahahaha means so little you had to reply, eh? ROFL n/t

[Nikki Stone1]

91. -1 (Wonderful men notwithstanding.)

See below

http://74.125.95.132/custom?q=cache:dNY_Uf36UcMJ:www.wcl.american.edu/journal/genderlaw/07/7-3velte.pdf+blank+sperm,+lesbian+conception&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=pub-4099951843714863

TRI-GAMETIC IN VITRO
FERTILIZATION

iiav.nl/ezines/web/.../1999-2003/american/9-1gift.pdf

[RB TexLa]

64. Not for long. With advances in cloning and related fields a member of the opposite sex will no

longer be needed for production of children.

[npk]

76. Wouldn't you still need sperm.

Although I don't pretend to be an expert in the whole cloning process.

[RB TexLa]

81. No reason we can't get to the point where one is both the mother and father of a cloned child

[lunatica]

84. Actually you are your cloned child, only older.

And the child is you, not your child.

[RB TexLa]

85. A clone would be a separate person.

[iris27]

141. No, your clone would be your differently-aged twin. n/t

[piedmont]

102. There's a reason sexual reproduction is the norm in the animal world-- infectious disease.

Sex is easier, faster, cheaper and more fun than cloning. And it results in more genetic diversity, which is critical for such a large population, cosmopolitan species as our which supports thousands of infectious organisms.

[RB TexLa]

107. I'm sure cloning could be made to be quicker than 9 months in the future

And we have already mapped DNA. We could synthesize enough to create the diversity you speak of.

[Art_from_Ark]

118. In the year 6565

Ain't gonna need no husband, won't need no wife
You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long glass tube

[Nikki Stone1]

89. Well, actually, there is a procedure called tri-gametic fertilization where two women can

have their genes combined and produce a female child.

http://74.125.95.132/custom?q=cache:dNY_Uf36UcMJ:www.wcl.american.edu/journal/genderlaw/07/7-3velte.pdf+blank+sperm,+lesbian+conception&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=pub-4099951843714863

All that is needed is the case of the sperm, and nanotech may make those artificially too.

[Codeine]

2. I am.

I am very, very necessary.

That is all.

[MineralMan]

7. But of course!

[blondeatlast]

40. You've brought the hidden lesbian out in me, though, Codeine.

I find your sig pic very, very hot. :shrug:

[Codeine]

52. the lovely Amanda Palmer.

Insanely talented.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C17yfGyJjM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwhvj6HYLN8

[AnArmyVeteran]

103. Codeine, I would say YOU are VERY necessary!

[BoneDaddy]

128. Yes, you are

ty!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. Only if they're wearing earth tones.

[MineralMan]

9. I'm wearing a Hawaiian shirt with tropical fish on it. Will that do?

[EFerrari]

4. Is there a history forum? Because her shtick has been around

for the last 25 years. :shrug:

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. She wrote because she an't getting any

So it's an autobiography?

Who knows? She's been bitter as vinager for years

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

13. She's been mangry for so long... she's evidently not mungry anymore.

Mangry (adj.): Angry that one cannot can't get a man.
Mungry (adj.): Hungry (lustful) for a man.

[ConcernedCanuk]

15. Doesn't sound bitter so far . .

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I'm only on page 30

and I won't judge the book until I'm finished it - -

but then again

I read "Going Rogue" by Sarah Palin

some people will read anything . . .

:silly:

[Book Lover]

5. Dowd is a textbook example of why having the voice of feminism be

the white upperclass professional woman screws all the rest of us feminists, girl and boy alike.

[ConcernedCanuk]

93. Did you read it?

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some people DO learn things as they go through life.

I see much dislike for this woman and her past behavior.

Don't see much to dislike about this writing though

But I'm just a dumm canuk

waddaIknow??

[Book Lover]

97. Yes - I read three chapters and then stopped

And get off the cross, Ms/Mr Canadian, we need the wood.

[ConcernedCanuk]

119. I would think that a "Book Lover" would know enough to read a whole book before judging it

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I DID read the whole book, despite my temptations to drop it -

If you had spent 30 seconds to check my profile you would know that I'm a male - ergo

"Mr."

I'm not sure what "get off the cross, . . . , we need the wood"

means

Out of thousands of books I've read, I only stopped reading less than a dozen -

they were all fiction, and had so many names involved that I couldn't follow the story.

I NEVER put down a book because I just didn't like what I was reading - -

sorta the same reason I don't use ignore on DU

I wanna KNOW what those that are pissed off at me are saying - even if I have no intention or desire to respond.

I don't close my mind to ideas that I don't like.

[Greyhound]

6. A few for propagation and those should be very carefully watched.

We're generally just not very bright and always cause trouble trying to prove how "manly" we are.

[Codeine]

10. Speak for yourself. nt

[Fearless]

12. +1

[seabeyond]

14. good to hear when a man doesnt allow himself to be put in the tired old conditioned role

of "what a man is" bullshit.

thanks for sticking up for yourself

[Greyhound]

43. 3 posts on the thread, and each enforces the OP's point.

I guess that's why I've never had more than one or two male friends...
:think:

[Codeine]

53. I'm least "manly-man" around.

But whatever floats your boat, tiger.

[leftofcool]

24. We do need you for a good lay, but other than that

who needs to propagate? Just kiddin'

[Greyhound]

41. Good point. How about a rite of passage at, say 16 - 18 years, where

only the best performers are kept.

Of course, in a society of women, women being the more reasonable sex, appropriate exceptions would be accommodated.
:rofl:
:grouphug:

[proteus_lives]

71. "women being the more reasonable sex"

:rofl:

That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.

[Xenotime]

98. I find your post offending.

[proteus_lives]

104. I find your offense offending.

You what else I find offensive? Broad-brush stereotypes like one gender being more reasonable then the other.

[Xenotime]

109. Really? That's your response?

[proteus_lives]

110. Really? That's your response to my response?

[BoneDaddy]

126. Jesus, they do no self reflection, do they

that is funny

[proteus_lives]

70. Self-loathing?

How sad.

[Name removed]

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[Greyhound]

86. How sad is it that you have no argument to counter so have the replies deleted,

what a manly thing to do.

[proteus_lives]

88. Me?

That's hilarious.

Your projection is so see-through. Sad man, sad.

You're not fooling anybody.

[Greyhound]

90. There's where the thread used to be...

right there...

[BoneDaddy]

127. Spoken by the "I want mommy's love" neutered male

who always throws his gender under the bus to seem cool to women who really could care less about him.

[seabeyond]

129. so much cooler being manly calling us the cunt brigade, bah hahaha. nt

[BoneDaddy]

131. Well if the shoe fits

I mean wear the fucking thing

[seabeyond]

133. your chewing mens ass off and calling women cunts.... and you talk about shoe fitting for me???

talk about a little self reflecting in order

[BoneDaddy]

132. and you snuck the mod police on a thread that should have been

shut down from the beginning for it's anti male rhetoric...what cowardice. At least have the ovaries to go head to head.

[seabeyond]

134. hm... the only anti male on this thread seems to be from a male.

and the title is not indicative of anti male because we dont know what is in the book. and the women on the thread arent being anti male.

you on the other hand

certainly are jumping on the woman hating mode.

[BoneDaddy]

135. I used to think you were objective

now I just see you for what you are. That is clear. Welcome to the brigade

[seabeyond]

139. again. there are not women standing with dowd, not impressed with dowd or the writing

or title.

there is one man saying anti male shit, and i dont know the reasoning.

you come on here in a terror calling women cunts.

then, you declare i am a cunt too, without a word of explanation.

and laugh at women for being unreasonable?

[Scout]

138. that's the only mode he has n/t

[Mme. Defarge]

8. One can only hope the title

is a bait and switch.

[ConcernedCanuk]

56. I'm up to page 115 - not sure how it's gonna end yet . .

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But it's got half a chapter slamming the Bush 43 admin . .

gotta appreciate that!

[Egnever]

16. I'll ask my wife the next time theres a bug in the house.

[seabeyond]

17. there are ways without a man. before i was married i kept a can of raid

now

i would have streaks of poison on my walls, but small price to pay. lol

[MineralMan]

18. When my wife moved to California to marry me, she saw one

of these shortly after that:


Jerusalem Cricket or Niña de la tierra -- about 2.25" long or more

All I heard was, "What the hell is that thing?"

So, I picked it up, sat it in my palm, and showed it to her.

"OK," she said. "Are there lots of them around here?"

"Some," I said.

"Well, then," she allowed, "I guess I'd better learn to deal with them, then."

I love that woman!

[seabeyond]

19. what a woman. i taught my oldest son his responsible to learn to not be bothered by bugs

cause his job when married. he now has taken over hubby's role and i am so proud of him

[EOTE]

25. So you're tired of men being put into conditioned roles...

Then you speak about teaching your son that bug disposal will be his job when married? Makes sense to me. I guess some conditioned roles are acceptable while others are not.

[seabeyond]

26. yup. it is something we laugh about in this house.

i also have a younger son that does not like bugs. he is going to just have to marry a woman that does ti for him

but then again, .... we do it with our eyes wide open.

[EOTE]

27. Well, so long as you instill those preconditioned roles with your eyes wide opened, then. NT

[Name removed]

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[Tailormyst]

111. Are you just going to continue pushing for a fight

Seabeyond made it pretty clear it was just a humorous little story. Why the pressing need to label her as something she is not?

[Codeine]

21. I like bugs. I've had pet spiders and hissing cockroaches.

I can watch a praying mantis for hours, and I find something as simple as an ant nest fascinating.

That said, Jerusalem Crickets/potato bugs freak me right the fuck out. :scared:

[MineralMan]

22. Don't tell my wife, but they bite pretty hard, too.

If they get you in the web between your thumb and forefinger, it hurts like the dickens. Other than that, though, they're pretty interesting critters. Very prehistoric looking and that.

[walldude]

20. Witty and wide ranging.. well I haven't read it so I won't

comment on the material, but after listening to her schtick for a few years now I think her problem is she needs to find better company to keep.

[ConcernedCanuk]

59. I'm not familiar with "her schtick" - but so far, I'm not offended

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but I'm only up to page 115

let ya know how it turns out - -

maybe.

[Whisp]

23. I like Dawd - she's got that snarky intelligence - but that title bugs me

i'm sure it was chosen just for that kneejerk effect.

so I'll probably pass on what may be good and useful info just for the fact she brazenly baited like a yellow journalist. sick of this kind of stuff from all sides.

[ConcernedCanuk]

29. Ignore the title

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5 pages will grab you

count on it

I was expecting a boring one-sided opinionated theory.

not so - to my surprise!

I have a half-assed method of choosing my library books, which I read on average about 5 a week.

I'll pick 2 - 3 from authors I am familiar with, and then 2 -3 from "unknowns"

keeps me "fresh" methinks

or - - maybe just consistently inconsistent . . .

ponder THAT!

[Whisp]

31. I don't think Dawd is boring at all, as I said I like her caustic and snarky ways

she's no light weight in the intelligence department.

but having that title keeps me away from reading that no matter how great it is. The title is meant to be controversial and spur on that old stupid battle of he vs. she, right off the hop. Imagine a man writing a book and titling it similar.

It's surprisingly juvenile for her to do this - maybe thats her scthick all along as I don't really follow her that closely.

sorry to repeat myself, but I have many many choices of things to read and I can dismiss for any reason I feel is worthy. Thisis a dismiss.

[LeftinOH]

28. Without us men- who would fight all the wars for you gals?

:sarcasm:

[ConcernedCanuk]

94. Maybe the wars would stop? - - THAT'd be a big plus.

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I'm not sure if it is true or not

but I remember reading a book decades ago that suggested that the Vikings stopped/reduced their warring because the women at home told them they wouldn't get laid if they went to war - -

now THAT

would certainly cut down on the warrior syndrome,

no??

[lumberjack_jeff]

30. All of DU would like it? Judging by the title...

I have no fucking doubt.

[lukasahero]

142. As opposed to judging from the actual reaction of DUers

And here I thought it was just tea-partiers who continue to believe what they want even after presented with facts that contradict. Hmmm. :think:

[closeupready]

32. Men are irreplaceable, essential, make life worth living.

n/t

[Dreamer Tatum]

34. For her, they probably aren't nt

[philly_bob]

35. Guys I know dig "smart successful women," Maureen..

And by the way, how do you feel about that Pulitzer you won for your gossipy obsession with the Monica Lewinsky story? Got any desire to make an apology to Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea? In retrospect, do you really think that was the most important story of the decade?

[joeybee12]

36. Is Maureen Dowd necessary?

Sometimes she hits the nail on the head, too often, however, she's a blithering idiot.

[CBR]

37. I love men!! nt

[closeupready]

49. Me, too!!

:hi:

[AnArmyVeteran]

79. I love women!

[MerryBlooms]

38. WE are necessary

I'm so tired of the 'us v them' meme. We can be different and still be ok.

As far as men being the big bad spider/bug killers - whatever, I've always been the spider/bug killer in our house. I've been widowed for about 8 years now, and I still miss my husband, but it's not because of any he or she gender biased roles.

I yearn for the day when we can accept what all genders contribute and the unique roles we play in the larger picture and not demonize one role or another.

[blondeatlast]

42. For those of us women who tend to steer straight, yes, men come in quite handy.

Pun apropos, but not intentional.

[edbermac]

44. A bullshit title to sell books.

She's no better than Beck or Coulter.

[Missy Vixen]

45. Men. MMMM.

I'd like to read the book. It'll be interesting to see how she explains herself.

[Toasterlad]

46. Who Was That Woman That Used To Post Here That Hated Men?

Kathleen something? This book sound right up her alley.

[ConcernedCanuk]

57. I'm up to page 115 - don't see any hate yet

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OH

and there was/is only ONE man-hater on DU??

:silly:

[Toasterlad]

60. My God No! But She Was the Most Vehement About It.

So the book has a humorous tone? If reading it is like watching a woman comic do a whole routine about how men always hog the remote, constantly want sex, and never stop and ask for directions, I'll pass.

[ConcernedCanuk]

65. "So the book has a humorous tone? " - yup

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I'm up to page 200 out of 240

STILL not sure what or even IF she will make some conclusions.

So far - it's basically history, with some phrases/episodes that make me chuckle or say "oh yeah" . .

I'm sorta expecting a surprise ending . .

maybe she will make no definitive conclusions to the question that is the title

oh yeah - I've been tempted to peek at the last chapter

but that would sorta take the intrigue out of the whole read.

Methinks it may be the kind of book I will want to read again AFTER I see the end.

Few books do that for me

From reading the thread here - no one else has read it - so I most likely will not share the ending

but I might make a hint at it

:silly:

I always got seriously irritated with people that told me the end of a movie we were watching together -

I suspect it is the same with people who read . .

[seabeyond]

66. are you kidding. i read almost a book a day. read the first chapter

read almost the ending so i know about what happened but never last page and then finish the story.

i have also been know to go to middle of story too, if need be. lol lol. i have even read books backwards just about. lol.

ah well

each their own. however one enjoys

drives hubby batty. i make him tell me the end of movies. then i forget and do the same for him. he doesnt appreciate it like i do.

[ConcernedCanuk]

69. I suggest you read the whole book - slowly

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I think it is well written - she obviously did a lot of research

I am familiar with most of the topics she discusses from WW2 through Vietnam to Iraq

I don't see any conflicts with what I already believe;

and the discussion about how the selection of W was swayed by the Supreme Court is very interesting too

This girl did her homework.

[grahamhgreen]

50. And speaking of penis envy

Is it not far more likely that men would have birth envy - that men would be envious of women for being able to give the most precious gift of all - life?

The prime motivating factor in the universe - creation itself?

In fact, if you look at patriarchies, are they not all about trying to usurp the original ability to give life, to be responsible for creation itself, to a male figure, when in reality we all know that it is the feminine that is the real creator of life?

I'm just sayin', I mean, I know Freud was a genius and all that - but penis envy? I have never heard a worse BS theory in all my years!

And to think much of modern society is built around his warped theory, it's no wonder our societies are falling into violence and over-competitiveness, with complete disregard for nurturing each other.

[Toasterlad]

61. Speaking For Myself, I Thank the Stars Every Day That I Will Never Have to Go Through Childbirth.

I've heard it can be painful.

[Tumbulu]

101. I agree with you that the entire patriarchal system is a result of birth envy

and the desire to control it in some way. I am afraid that I have dismissed everything Freud had to say because of this ridiculous idea that a woman would want such a thing as a penis.

[Tsiyu]

106. Great Post

I used to think it was Breast Envy making boys so mean

the way some of them are so obsessed with tetons at times.

But I think you may be closer to solving the mystery.

Even with their obsessions, males make life interesting. Some of them make me laugh. I jam with some great male musicians and have made love to a few maybe.

And back to the Penis Envy thing. I always felt sorry for guys having to lug all that junk around and protect it. I was glad my stuff was tucked up safe and sound lol

Like Fred Rogers said:

"Some are fancy on the outside
Some are fancy on the inside.

Everybody's fancy
Everybody's fine
Your body's fancy
And so is mine" :hi:

[Petrushka]

117. My own theory says it was Freud, himself, who probably suffered from "penis envy". It might have

. . . begun when he was a little boy, about four or five years old, the first time he saw
his daddy nekkid.

:shrug:

[Bucky]

51. I've heard it said as long as women like peanut butter they'll still need 1 man to open the jars

I of course was utterly offended by the crass sexism of this joke. PS, ladies, let it be me.

[ConcernedCanuk]

95. Well that is total bullshit -

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It was my MOTHER (yup - she is a female) that taught me how to open difficult jars

and it didn't require no "manly" strength

just a bit of intelligence/wisdom

[TK421]

54. Of course they are! Someone has to leave the toilet seat up

[Bonobo]

55. Haters. nt

[bridgit]

58. Pft, Maureen Dowd I haven't seen anyone wag their jaw like Maureen Dowd since...

Ally Sheedy

[TexasObserver]

62. Every time I see her on TV, she looks drunk and pilled up.

If she'd get sober, she might not be so desperate and lonely.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

113. I don't even know what to say to that --

:eyes: :puke:

[TexasObserver]

116. She looks tipsy every time she's on TV.

Her speech often seems slurred and gives the appearance of a person who has a substance abuse problem.

Perhaps you haven't noticed.

[MilesColtrane]

63. I've heard that Dowd really slams Hillary Clinton in that book.

[ConcernedCanuk]

67. sorta - but she slams Bill too . . . I'd say Bill got the bigger "slam"

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ya gotta read it carefully

I ain't done it yet - only 40 pages to go

OH

ya gotta read the chapter on the WH under W and the uptake to the Iraq invasion

I think she is spot on there . .

[KonaKane]

68. I sort of gave Dowd my hand to talk to when she bashed Howard Dean

It was then she came clear as an establishment conservative Democrat, who's opinions really do not interest me.

I can't answer if men are necessary in the big picture, but my wife tells me she is glad she has one.

[proteus_lives]

72. As necessary as women.

A world of men without women or a world of women without men would be a dull place.

[The Wielding Truth]

82. Is anyone necessary? What a crook to suggest one is better than the other!

[Gwendolyn]

73. Old Moe Dowd can be quite the pontificator... but is occasionally entertaining.

As a feminist writer she's really never had much to say to working class women, but whateveah. If you say she has interesting commentary on W and the goings on at the White House during that era, I'll take your word for it.

The title of the book is typical attention-whoring, and nausea-invoking. Guess Dowdy's hoping to get a few stray man-haters who don't know what she's about to buy the book.

[Orsino]

74. Begs the question: is Maureen Dowd necessary?

I'm assuming it reaffirms that the answer is no.

[RandomThoughts]

77. From the perspective of a man.

When talking about men having power or control in a society, I think it is pretty simple.

Not sure if anyone else has had this thought, or if is part of any writings, but this is how I see it.


It is pretty simple.

Men want to get laid. That's about it.


Ok from there you have to look at society, if women are equal, and have equal rights, well then women are going to be with who they want, and people in status positions won't be getting laid.

Same thing with money, if people with money are not respected, and people with money do not have power, then one of the attractions they have, security of money, goes away, and they don't get laid.

I think when Paul went into Rome and started telling the women they don't have to sleep with their husbands, it was not about celibacy. It was because Roman men were buying slaves to sleep with, and the slaves were told they had to, it was almost an accepted thing by almost everyone. And much of the marriages were not about love and intimacy.

Paul went in there speaking of the dignity of people, and that people should be together for reasons of love and intimacy, not arranged marriages not of love, and many Roman marriages of the elite were not about love but about status. Interestingly if Paul was celibate, that allowed him to make such comments, since much of what he did probably hurt his chances of getting laid, but in my view helped many women. Which is interesting also.


So I think the women's rights thing is pretty simple, most guys want to get laid, and many need some control because they don't have whatever it is that women they want would see as attractive. Then they feel bad that they are not attractive, so they go all women hating, all because they really want to have female companions and get laid.


It might be crass, and not sure what other people are posting, but I think it comes down to men wanting to get laid.

[AnArmyVeteran]

78. ALL men are not necessary. Women of the world only need one man & I'm available...

As the only man on earth, I would feel it would be my sacred duty to carry on the human race and to please all the women in the world. I would always perform my duties as the planet's only man with total commitment, unbridled passion and absolute enthusiasm.

[Nikki Stone1]

92. ROFLMAO!!!

:rofl:

[ItNerd4life]

123. Even if all the women looked like Maureen?

I don't know about that.

[redqueen]

137. LOL, well many guys consider her "hot"...

and for far too many guys, that's all that matters.

Superficiality rules.

[AnArmyVeteran]

80. A great mentor of mine said "Women control 75% of the world's wealth, and 100% of the vaginas"...

I believe in equality for everyone. But while women don't get paid as much as men, there have been studies to show they control a greater portion of the world's wealth than men. And a mentor of mine stated the obvious point that women control 100% of their vaginas. Women can sleep with almost any man she wants, while men only get to sleep with the women who let them. It's not fair, and I want my sexual rights to be as equal as women's!

[Cleita]

83. Maureen is still stuck back in the era of the first feminism.

Yes, men are necessary. The new feminism says that they don't own or control more than women do like they still do. I think our elected representatives should be divided right down the middle between the two sexes by law regardless of their political affiliation, but no one is going to agree with me on this one.

[Greyhound]

87. Erma Bombeck got it with this one, IMO.

"We've got a generation now who were born with semi-equality. They don't know how it was before, so they think, this isn't too bad. We're working. We have our attache' cases and our three piece suits. I get very disgusted with the younger generation of women. We had a torch to pass, and they are just sitting there. They don't realize it can be taken away. Things are going to have to get worse before they join in fighting the battle."

[ConcernedCanuk]

96. Actually - she adresses the issue of "the first feminism" in this book

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Read it

you may hate it

but you may learn something

I did

but then again

I'm a "guy"

:silly:

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[jdp349]

105. I hate DU so much when the topic of gender/sex comes up

I always click the thread because of the sheer number of responses but have never in nearly 7 years of lurking once found anything remotely worth the time spent reading it.

[Gwendolyn]

108. Agreed. The level of discourse usually descends to that of 7-year-olds.

I'm going to spend my time on better endeavors in the future I think, but thanks for making the point.

[AnArmyVeteran]

114. Thats jest plain doo doo!

[Gwendolyn]

115. Poo poo on you too. :-D

[AnArmyVeteran]

120. Bricks & stones may break my bones...

Seems like right wingers use physical violence and verbal threats. They even seem proud of their acts of violence and hatred. But they profess to be 'Christians' so I guess it's ok when they assault someone, use degrading racial words, spit on someone, or throw a brick through a congresswoman's office, all intended to terrorize.

[galileoreloaded]

112. Gosh I hope so!! n/t

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[Jennicut]

122. MoDo sure knows how to treat other women with respect...or not.

She really had it out for Hillary.
This women is full of nonsense.
As a woman, I can barely tolerate her.

[ConcernedCanuk]

140. Finished the book!

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I wasn't gonna tell the ending

changed my mind

last line in the book

"So,are men necessary?"

The "theme" of the book is not what I, or I suspect many of the readers of this thread,

or the book concluded.