What if the people of Los Angeles told the Pope they won't accept Archbishop Jose Gomez ?

[hedgehog]

And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints. And the only reason I'm
singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar
situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a
situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into
the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get
anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.". And walk out. You know, if
one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the
guitar.

With feeling. So we'll wait for it to come around on the guitar, here and
sing it when it does. Here it comes.

You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant

That was horrible. If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud.
I've been singing this song now for twenty five minutes. I could sing it
for another twenty five minutes. I'm not proud... or tired.

So we'll wait till it comes around again, and this time with four part
harmony and feeling.

[FBaggins]

1. Works better in a democracy

which the church aint.

[hedgehog]

2. It was once. It's up to us to make it one again.

[Toasterlad]

4. The Catholic Church Was NEVER a Democracy.

Pretending it was might make you feel better, but it won't change reality.

[hedgehog]

8. "It’s certainly clear that although the Church of Rome was an integral special component

of the universal Church it was never considered to have an “infallible” type of jurisdictional authority of the entire Church. The very first Ecumenical Council of the Church in Nicaea was convened by the Emperor Constantine in the year 325, and not by the pope. The pope was not even able to attend the Council, do to infirmity, and sent two legates instead. Yet, the Council still came up with one of the most defining statements of Christianity–the Nicene Creed. So, in this context, the Church of Rome collaborated with the entire universal Church to produce a cohesive and consensual affirmation of its faith in Jesus Christ.

When certain bishops of Rome did try to claim certain prerogatives or assume a certain status which the rest of the Church did not think they deserved or possessed they were promptly put in their place."

http://opentabernacle.wordpress.com/2010/04/09/think-this-should-look-familiar-to-us-catholics-or-has-it-been-too-long/

[Toasterlad]

10. Seriously? That's Your Argument?

A council that took place 1700 YEARS ago?

Your self-delusion is epic. If it's truly that important to you to believe you have a voice in your church, I don't want to see what happens to you when that belief is shattered. It would probably kill you.

Then again, I don't know how much more evidence of your completely inconsequential position in the catholic church you could possibly be confronted with, so you'll probably just be able to go on lying to yourself forever. Enjoy your world of unicorns and a democratic church! Drop us a line now and then!

[FBaggins]

11. Evidence (and far from conclusive) that the pope wasn't always the sole head

of the church is NOT evidence that the church was democratic in nature.

Even when a vote is held, there is no democracy if those who vote are not answerable to the people they govern.

[FBaggins]

5. When was that?

The Catholic Church has never been a democracy... unless you're talking about the council of Jerusalem a couple thousand years ago.

The Pope likely picked this guy because you aren't going to like him. Telling the Pope you're unhappy will just confirm that he picked the right guy.

[Toasterlad]

3. What Makes You Think the Pope Gives Two Shits What the People of Los Angeles Want?

Catholics will accept what they're told to accept, period. Like they always have, and like they always will.

[naaman fletcher]

6. Nice thought, but no chance. nt.

[pnwmom]

7. I think the Catholics of L.A. should consider

a sharp drop in the collection boxes.

[hedgehog]

9. The revolution has to start somewhere.

If not now, when?

If not us, who?