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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:48 AM Original message |
WikiLeaks Releases US Military Video of Indiscriminate Killing of Over 12 (Including 2 News Staff) |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
1. Naturally, the US military labeled these dead civilians 'insurgents'. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Iraqi hippies n/t |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
3. Youtube link: |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I recommend watching the full video first, then the annotated short video. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
4. Fucking assholes murdered the rescuers. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Two words |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. They thought the rescuers were "cleaning up the site" |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. They just wanted more bodies. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Yes, they wanted more bodies of insurgents |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. I'll defend this to a point. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Yea ...it's still a "war zone" and cameras can be weapons too... |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. No evidence of that motivation anywhere in this. n/t |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. 'There were no U.S. troops in the vicinity'. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Go back and watch it. The insurgents move to a tactical position against the helicopter. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I don't see 'insurgents' in Iraq. I see Iraqi citizens. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #60 |
99. thus it is okay for them to shoot at us |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. there were no "insurgents". and that word is a phoney, propaganda word, created by a PR team. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Yeah, if some other country was firing on innocent civilians here, |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. that is utterly absurd-- there is no "tactical position" and they were not even aware... |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #57 |
98. Uhm |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Deleted message |
sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
51. Interesting. 'The reuters employees were in the wrong place at the w |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Enjoy attacking my motives? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Explain, how can you be in the wrong place when |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
81. Deleted sub-thread |
Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. It's not the shooting, it's the cover-up. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. They thought the van was insurgents scrubbing the site. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. So, |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Please don't ascribe to me positions I haven't taken. That's called building a straw man. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. Do the ROE authorize the killing of anyone "scrubbing the site"? |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
92. he knowingly claimed they were picking up weapons so he would get permission |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
49. on what basis? anyone who has a weapon = "insurgent"? anyone who tries to help wounded |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Nope. Weapons were on the scene. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. do you expect people to travel without weapons in bagdad? is the possession of a weapon |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Plenty of people DO travel in Bagdad without weapons. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. it was unprovoked, unjustified murder. there was no reason to murder those people. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. You are incorrect. Murder is a legal term. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. "permission to engage" in murder = murder. "these guys look like enemies, can i kill them?" |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Permission to murder. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. Cspan is your friend, not as splattery but far more deadly. That is when your government |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #59 |
97. A scooter is a weapon? |
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pasto76 (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
86. Positive Identification is a requirement |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
43. 'Insurgents' are Iraqi citizens, who belong there. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. There is no court which will call this a war crime. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. The court of public opinion around the globe has |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Killing non-combatants? |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
5. The video is also on youtube, short and long versions |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
7. Now we will see what the world does with this information. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
9. Unbelievable. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
10. Jesus Christ... |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. From AOL article a few days ago: |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
11. But my "news" calls them heroes without exception!!!! |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #11 |
26. Defending our country over there n/t |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
12. It seems journalists were fair game under the * reign |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I doubt it was that targeted. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. 150 journalists at the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad came under fire from US forces |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
18. so will this be addressed by the media? |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. This is all I can find so far - CJR. It seems to indicate NYT reporter working on a story: |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
46. "Well, it's their fault for bringing their kids into a battle." "Right." |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
52. it will be interesting to see how this gets handled |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
22. It's ONLY a few bad soldiers ...so please keep cheer leading the sign up squad. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. And this is completely different than constant drone strikes. |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
29. "That's their fault for bringing kids to a battle" |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Deleted messge |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Ignored |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Just had my 2nd post ever deleted at DU upthread nt |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Don't personally attack posters and your posts won't be deleted. n/t |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Ironically both posts were to you. So I apologize for my name calling. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. No problem. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
32. These scenes brought back memories of this video filmed by CNN in 2003 |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. does any one remember the story a couple of years ago |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
50. I think this comment on digg says it best |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. For just two paragraphs that pretty much nails it. n/t |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
55. Oh, fuck |
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justinsb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Keep a copy of this so it doesn't get disappeared |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. You noticed that too ~ |
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disillusioned73 (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Thanx fo confirming.... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. And, going further. The claim is that we 'have to wait for the full |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. "I must wait for the official spin before I can think for myself." |
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disillusioned73 (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #71 |
100. Looks like my original pst was scrubbed... my ffirt one, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. Deleted message |
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mehdi kiril (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
73. The National: Wikileaks' had "more scoops in its short life than The WAPO has in the past 30 years" |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
78. Another example of excess in war. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. And getting off on it. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. This is what happens to some in war. A loss of humanity. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Your comment reminds me of 'Hearts and Minds' |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
82. Murdered in cold blood, shame on the U.S. military. Take some |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Sorry brother, you blame goes to DC. Funded and ordered there, this video |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Top to bottom, they share the blame. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Those at the top have a choice. The guy in uniform |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. The problem is it was not a legal order and the video shows that. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #90 |
96. I agree... |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
91. Disgusting murdering fuckers. |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
93. What will ever end this? |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. The exposure of this video is a start |
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