Regardless of what Happens in Iraq, WE MUST GET OUT!

[Rage Inc.]

We should not have invaded in the first place, but you already know that.

What I'm saying is that we must strictly adhere to the Status of Forces agreement, signed by Resident Bush (sic). If Iraq implodes, well, that's unfortunate, but it is NOT a reason to keep our combat troops there!

Hell, I object to having 50,000 of our boys and girls there in September! But I understand President Obama's position: A treaty was signed, and he shall abide by its provisions.

And that is PRECISELY my point! Let's follow the dictates of the S of F agreement, with NO adjustments, NO alterations, NO recalibrations!

Iraq, in my humble opinion, is gonna go Straight To Hell after we leave. But you already know that, too.

Let's get our people home. What happens in Iraq will happen BY Iraq. We need to extricate ourselves from this debacle without any further delays!

[greencharlie]

1. whilst I mostly agree...

the primary concern should NOW be for Afghanistnam. Iraq is done, there's no problem there... the faster the deployment out of Iraq, the faster they're fed to the Afghanistnam meatgrinder. Literally Detroit has more homicide/crime than Iraq nowadays...

Iraq was wrong, from day one. But it's water under the bridge at this point, concentrate on the FRESH graves being dug daily.

[rurallib]

5. see post below. Once we leave there will be a real civil war which is why

Obama plans to keep @50,000+ soldiers there. We'll never leave. Until oil is worthless anyway.

[greencharlie]

7. I'm not so sure of that...

but we'll see.

[aquart]

8. Yes, our next primary concern should be exiting Afghanistan.

There is no reason to keep providing endless belly laughs to the Russians.

[Rage Inc.]

16. "Iraq is done, there's no problem there..."

What??? There are 25 people this morning who would disagree with you. If they could. If they were still alive.

[NNN0LHI]

2. Who is going to keep the puppets we installed alive if we leave?

The phony Iraqi "government", we gave to the Iraqis will have to leave when we do or they will be killed soon after our departure.

I don't think President Obama wants that to happen on his watch.

Don

[RKP5637]

3. I seriously wonder how much longer the US can be the role of cop on the street

in nations. In the 60's we saw the Vietnam war on the tube each night. Today, war is pretty much "out of sight out of mind."

I really don't think too many Americans dwell on what is occurring in Iraq and Afghanistan each day, hence, it falls to a low level of attention by many Americans.

We have many difficulties in this country that need attention too... IMO we are stretched far too thin and frankly I think a lot of needless deaths are occurring all around. In the 60's we were protesting as students, but with no draft most just go along with it, "out of sight, out of mind."

And Iraq, it was a damn stupid needless war, brought on by propaganda in this country.

[greencharlie]

4. http://icasualties.org

I look at it a few times per week... I never forget how much of a mess Afghanistnam is.

24 DEAD Americans this month alone...

But it's no longer "popular" to oppose the war now that it belongs to Obama.

[RKP5637]

10. Thanks for the URL. I've got it bookmarked. To me, Afghanistan was/is/will be

even more of a mess. Iraq at least had a functioning country/economy, whether one liked it or not, before we destroyed it... Afghanistan IMO is going to be a real mess just in terms of creating a sustainable functioning economy. And, we have a miserable track record on drugs in this country, and somehow we are going create a whole new economy for them to replace the poppy trade.

We'll be lucky to get the economy revitalized here let alone basically trying to create an entire new work culture/economy in Afghanistan IMO. I have heard a major investment would be made by us for education in Afghanistan. While that in the big picture is good, we also have a really major educational problem in this country that needs major attention and funding.

One of my concerns is that while we are doing all of these things there, our own country has some really serious problems that need major attention and funding.

I just question how sustainable it is for us to do all things for many countries and keep ourselves afloat at the same time.

[defendandprotect]

11. We're invaders . . . occupiers -- not "cops" . ..

[RKP5637]

13. Excellent point!!!! n/t

[Enthusiast]

18. It is.

We shouldn't have been there to start with.

[Cid_B]

15. Depends which Afghans you talk too...

[DCBob]

6. Totally agree... that was a mistake from the beginning and we have to get out ASAP...

regardless of what "terrible" things might happen.

[patrice]

9. I guess: As many will die in the long run (staying) as would in the short (leaving). We're just dick

ering over who that'll be because they're going to be those folks who took a chance on U.S. and Lost. We SHOULD get them out too. It would be the only moral thing to do in a highly ugly situation of our own making.

The WHOLE thing is soooooo upsetting it makes me want to :puke:

I HATE what we've done and I also HATE the consequences to others of doing it. :cry:

[defendandprotect]

12. R u Kidding? A Taj Mahal of a new US Embassy, 14-20 new military bases . . .Oil . . Heroin . . .

and you think we're leaving????????????????????

[Diclotican]

14. Rage Inc

Rage Inc

You broke broke it, you own it.. And by lord, US really messed up Iraq... And have to show to the world, that they can FIX what they broke..

You did managed that in 1945, when Germany was destroyed, and 80-90 % of housings in the main city's was in a pile of rubbles.. Then you had a plan to what to do, even tho it might have been a little wingle as we do... Today Germany is a function democracy, who is not a mess... And even tho US did had soldiers in Germany to this day, it was mostly becouse of the cold war, not becouse the germans was unruly by defult...

US messed up Iraq big time and have to rebuild what they messed up.. They can't just not turn away and say, sorry cant fix it anymore, you are on your own.. It would mean that you needed a gigantic Marchall plan all over again... When they managed to do that int he 1940s and 1950s, why cant US do that again.. And this time you have the whole of Europe to help you out, if you want the help... Just ask... And we wil help you out as best as we can..

Diclotican

[RKP5637]

17. Very good ideas!!! n/t

[Rage Inc.]

19. Are you suggesting that WWII was unnecessary???

Germany attacked our French and British allies, not to mention that pesky little thing called the Holocaust! Iraq had attacked Iran and Kuwait, two non-democracies. Saddam never struck at our NATO allies, much less at us!

Iraq shall go directly to Hell when we leave, which is tragic, but not our legitimate problem!

[Diclotican]

20. Rage Inc

Rage Inc

You might have to read what I wrote one more time here... Have NEVER as I know, even tried to say that WW2 was unessesary. Either are you blind as a newborn mouse, or you just want to be an ass for the moment... I know well what happend 1 sept 1939, when Germany attaced Poland, and therefore was told that war was between UK, and after 3 days, even from France.. It is told that Hitler was taken apart from the fact that Germany was in war, with the west, before the little "case" with Poland was finished...

And even how crusome Hitler was in 1939, Holocaust with all its horrors, was starting first in 1940-41 when the germans belived they could do it with inpunity... The end of the world, and the discovery of what happend in the name of Germany....

Iraq have attaced Iran and Kuwait - more or less after order from the US, who in both cases was telling Saddam Hussain that if he wanted to clean the sheat they dosen't care.. In 1980, when Iraq attaced Iran, the US intelligence even was given intel to the iraqi army, that even the US naval forces in the area dosen't have... So the whole case with Iraq is at best hypocrytical... US made Saddam, from 1979, when they suported the coup, who was making SADDAM Hussain THE SOLE RULER OF IRAQ...

Kuwait was a tupid move from Saddam Hussain, but the moves from US, before Ms Thatcher was telling GHWB that he had to act was rather stupid too.. Before the "pow-how" between GHWB and Thatcher, the US president was not happy about going to war with Iraq over Kuwait at all...

You wrecked iraq, and if you want to have a voice at all in the middle east, you have to show to all arabs, and maybe even for your allied here in Europe that you have the guts, and the idea of making Iraq a stable country... Not perfect, but at least stable, and hopefully also a democracy. Today Iraq is a mess, who only the suporters of the war today think was a sukcess becouse they have had "fair and free elections"..

And yes.. The hell in Iraq IS YOUR LEGITIME PROBLEM either you like it or not...

Diclotican

[Diclotican]

21. Rage Inc

Rage Inc

And for the Iraq war, Yes, it was a total waste of time, effort, human resources and not to say money to go in in Iraq to put down a bastard of a dictator, who could have been killed by a sniper team who from a long distance could have killed the dictator, and many of the others without to much trouble.. The US claim to have the best snipers on the planet - US could have proven that if they had killed Saddam Hussain.... By a single shoot... Thousands of dead soldiers, houndred of thousands maimed in one way or another for the rest of the life.Not to say millions of iraqis who is dead or handicaped becouse the US forces have a tendency to mail, blow up houses, rape womans, and other vice have doing their best to wreck the country from the core up.. Yes US SOLDIERS HAVE IN MORE THAN ONCE CASE RAPED WOMAN, killed sivilans who had no role in the war... Ten of thousands of americans with Post traumatic stress disorder, who like the other war you lost, Vietam in the end wil end their life in the gutter, under a highway brigde, or othervice as an person who dosen't even would be given a decent grave to lie in.... That it the result fo Iraq Freedom...


But off course, it is far more sexy to wreck a country, plunder their wealth and not to say have more than 150 big bases in a country who's population DOESN'T EVEN WANT US TO BE THERE ANYMORE..

And not to say, US singlehandedly made Iran, a country US have not have had diplomatic contact since 1979 a far greater power in the area... Good work all the supporters of a senseless war, and a supporter of the most stupid man to ever sit in the White House in US for as long as US have been a nation....

You collectively screwed it big time up in Iraq.. And you collectively have to CLEAN it up after you.. You can't just say "sorry the mess, but we are going home"... Then your standing in the Middle east would be ruined for as long as humanity still live in the area...

Diclotican

[amborin]

22. +10000

[laughingliberal]

23. What??!? Leave while there's still money to be made? Unheard of!

:sarcasm: