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demtenjeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:05 PM
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"he had chosen to obey "God's law" to save babies." Where does it say to Kill for God?
WICHITA, Kan. – A man who murdered one of the few U.S. doctors who performed late-term abortions used his sentencing hearing as a forum to espouse his views in an effort to justify his crime, arguing that he had chosen to obey "God's law" to save babies.

Scott Roeder was sentenced Thursday to life in prison with no possibility of parole for 50 years, the longest sentence possible under Kansas law for first-degree murder. The 52-year-old Kansas City, Mo., man killed George Tiller as he was serving as an usher last May in the foyer of the doctor's church in Wichita.



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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100402/ap_on_re_us/us_abortion_shooting
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:06 PM
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1. I'd like to know where it says Christians have the God given right...
To force God's laws on others!

Seems God gave us all choice...
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:07 PM
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2. Well to be fair, "Thou shalt not kill" is the fifth commandment.
Guess it's a sliding scale.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 05:07 PM
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20. Is god required to follow his own commandments?
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 06:25 PM
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21. Hard to say, most preachers don't.
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demtenjeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:07 PM
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3. I LOVE some of the comments
"What I always find interesting is that pro-lifers never have a plan in place to fully support (shelter, feed, clothe, educate), until 18 years of age, all the babies born of mothers who can't or don't want to take care of them. Talk about cruel.
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demtenjeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:14 PM
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7. what a piece of shit
On Jan. 25, 1999, Roeder wrote his ex-wife from Topeka to let her know he had a job offer in Kansas City and would be moving there on Feb. 1.

"I'm remaining anonymous as to where I'm working, and what type of work it is because of my politically incorrect views," he said. "If the state wants to find me because of my views on taxation, I don't want to give them any help."

On July 7, 1999, Roeder wrote Nicholas from an address in Merriam to ask whether he was still going to church.

"I hope you have accepted our Savior as your personal Lord and Savior," he said.

Then he talked about child support payments.

"I hope you're not mad at me for not making child support payments," he wrote. "I'm not making payments not because I don't love you, but because I have done a lot of study and realize that I shouldn't be making payments until Mom is willing to accept me back after our divorce."

Last month, Lindsey Roeder received another letter from her ex-husband. Written June 12 at the Sedgwick County Jail, the letter complained about the way she was raising Nicholas.

"I'm afraid he's becoming or already become a spoiled brat, such as yourself," Roeder wrote. "I thought that at least when we were still married we were (at least I) was teaching him the basic things in life like saying thank you."



Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2009/07/28/907672/letters-tiller-death-suspect-sent.html#ixzz0jyYqeu15
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:20 PM
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8. holy damn...AND he's a child-support cheat??
to be honest I'm shocked there was a woman ignorant enough to want to breed with him, anyways...
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demtenjeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:42 PM
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11. support the "pre=born" hate them after they are born
yup he is one of those
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:08 PM
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4. Roeder thinks that God's law is a higher law then government law
So he can rot in jail and wait for God to rescue him.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:10 PM
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5. Thankfully, this should be the last we hear from Mr. Roeder
Have a nice 50 years, Scott. In prison.

It could be a beautiful day tomorrow. But you'll be in prison.

New movies will come out, with interesting stories and beautiful cinematography. But you'll be in prison.

A restaurant will have its Friday Special today. But you'll be in prison.

Women will still seek to control their own bodies. But you'll be in prison.

Have a nice 50 years, Scott. In prison.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:10 PM
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6. Have you read that first half of that book?
It's all about slaying this group and slaughtering that group.

Why did Saul lose his kingship?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:22 PM
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9. Uh, folks have been killing people for Gawd forever.
Sometimes it's even sanctioned by the biggest Christian Church on the planet. Why would anyone be surprised?
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:22 PM
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10. The Bible has lots of places where people are instructed to kill for God.
That's just one of the things that makes it a disgusting book.

It also promotes slavery, stoning disobedient children to death, killing adulterers, and killing anyone who eats shellfish or wears a garment made of mixed cloth (like a rayon blend).
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:46 PM
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12. ahhh.... but who wrote the bible? Was it created out of nothing like
the earth and trees and all that is?

Seems to me, that the bible, being written by humans- created by humans isn't representative of any 'higher power' other than man-unless 'god' is nothing more than a mere human. The bible is no more 'divine' than any other document penned by 'man'.

To be fair, the bible has lots of places that speak of doing the opposite of human nature. Treating those who hurt you with kindness, seeing to the welfare of others before those of self, not hoarding, doing acts of peace, kindness, and love regardless of the 'worthiness or worthlessness' of the recipient- those aspects don't seem to be valued in the rigid doctrines that capture the attention of much of the 'religious' of today (with exceptions).

The loud- controlling- angry religious voices that we hear so much from don't represent all who follow spiritual paths.

Those others are often living out their beliefs in ways that catch little media attention, but actually help make the world a bit less cold and cruel for others who have little hope and less power.

These are the people who speak to me of the 'divine'.



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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 07:21 PM
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22. 'the bible as written by humans'---- not much of an excuse.
'the bible was written by religious humans.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 08:58 PM
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23. not an excuse at all- it's a statement of fact. "God" didn't pen the bible
humans did.

Would the bible exist without humans? If not, then isn't the god of the bible a human construct?
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:16 PM
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16. Rayon is awful stuff. It's hot and doesn't hold a crease.
I would give it the "abomination" rating, and gladly kill anyone who wears it. :)

But that's what free will is all about.

--imm
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demtenjeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:53 PM
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13. he will live his life at El Dorado Correctional prison. Where the Carr Brothers and BTK are
http://www.zimbio.com/George+Tiller/articles/VQfDNNzYa39/Scott+Roeder+calculated+path+murder



Hope he makes a fine girlfriend!!!


The jury took little more than a half-hour to convict Roeder of premeditated first-degree murder in Tiller’s death and two counts of aggravated assault for pointing his gun at Gary Hoepner and Keith Martin.

Roeder faces life in prison when he returns before Sedgwick County District Judge Warren Wilbert for sentencing March 9. Usually, a life sentence carries parole eligibility after 25 years for first-degree murder. But District Attorney Nola Foulston said she plans to ask Wilbert to consider a law that would allow him to postpone the possibility of parole for 50 years.

Roeder will serve his sentence at the El Dorado Correctional Facility.

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demtenjeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:54 PM
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14. I also hope he doesn't get to make news by giving interviews and such
I really hope we have heard the last of him
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 03:59 PM
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15. I've never gotten a straight answer in God's role of sponraneous micarriages.
By far the most common form of abortion. Do they hate God for this, too?
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demtenjeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:56 PM
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17. Roeder told his then 9 year old son he was going to blow up abortion clinics
http://roederwatch.blogspot.com/2010/02/1996-interview-of-roeder-by-leach-part.html





What a pathetic creep

Scott was smiling trying to cover up what he was quickly saying to Nick. Telling a 9 year old child that "Daddy was going to blow up an abortion clinic" As in the video Scott tells Nicky he had not intention of hurting anyone--he would have done it at night. Nick was (and is) very intelligent. "Daddy what if someone heard the big noise and got scared and had a heart attack?" (Not to mention the firefighters that would risk themselves to put out any fire.) It is that very memory that made it so easy to answer the ATF's questions in our yard that May 31st with yes Scott would do that.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 04:59 PM
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18. Amazingly, nobody can prove that George Tiller wasn't doing God's will when he performed abortions
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 04:59 PM by slackmaster
People who CLAIM to be carrying out God's will are almost always wrong.

Funny how that works.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 05:06 PM
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19. At least they didn't make a martyr out of him
I'm sure that he wanted the death penalty, so that the fetus lovers could make him a martyr. Bastard.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 09:21 PM
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24. there is no law from god telling this motherfucker to kill anyone
I hope someone saws off his dick with a dull, rusty knife.
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